Khadr's khangaroo khourt trial, khontinued

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M. Spector M. Spector's picture

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Originally posted by jrootham:
[b]The problem with the absolutist position is that it is not working. Khadr is still in Gitmo.[/b]

By absolutist position, I assume you are referring to the principled position of calling for Khadr's unconditional release.

Not working, you say? Maybe that's because it hasn't been tried yet; Harper has not asked, and Bush has not refused.

The very least we owe Khadr before we start bargaining away his human rights is to demand his unconditional release. If that doesn't work, then maybe we can discuss other options.

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[b]I am not demanding that he face trial, I am suggesting that facing trial in Canada would be better than being stuck in Gitmo. You disagree.[/b]

No I don't disagree. Where did I say I disagree with that statement?

I would also agree that sending him back to Canada and administering a public flogging and putting him in a Canadian prison for ten years would be better than spending the rest of his life in Guantanamo. But unlike you and Amnesty International and Michael Byers, I wouldn't dream of actually demanding that he face such treatment as a condition of his release from Guantanamo.

You say you are not demanding that Khadr face trial in Canada, but that's what Amnesty calls for, and you have no "huge problem" with such a position.

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[b]The logical consequence of that disagreement is that you would leave him stuck in Gitmo if he was required to face trial in Canada.

I really don't believe you mean that, but that is what you have argued in slandering me.[/b]


I have argued no such thing, and as I have stated above the "disagreement" of which you speak does not exist. The real diagreement is that I demand justice, while you are prepared to demand something far less than justice, all the while pretending to be concerned with Khadr's human rights.

As for your repeated allegations of slander, you cannot point to any evidence to support them. The only statements in this thread that are damaging to your reputation are the ones you have written yourself.

Fidel

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Originally posted by unionist:
[QB][url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081028.wkhadr1028/B... must demand Khadr's return because of detainee's torture, court told[/url]

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On Tuesday, Mr. Whitling said the obligation to demand repatriation is triggered given the numerous violations of Mr. Khadr's rights under both the Canadian Charter and international law and agreements, such as the [b]UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.[/b]

He blasted Ottawa's repeated statements that the Americans had provided assurances of humane treatment for Mr. Khadr.

[b][i]“I don't want to use the word ‘lie,'[/i] but it was a demonstratively false statement that was made to the Canadian public.”[/b]


As I was saying before, the Yanks have refused to recognize most of that UN declaration on rights of the child way before the phony war on terror to replace the Soviets as a legitimate threat to empire ever began, as in pre-9/11/01. This is a glint of that talent which Ottawa handed Khadr over to in 2002. And believe you me and M,Spector knows, the Yanks are capable of much, much worse than neglecting basic children's rights in their own country and around the world.

Cueball Cueball's picture

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Originally posted by jrootham:
[b]The problem with the absolutist position is that it is not working. Khadr is still in Gitmo.[/b]

That has nothing to do with it. What it is about is the fact that no one has been putting preasure on the government because he comes from a pariah Muslim family and is not white.

jrootham

The word "demand" does not mean what you think it means.

Cueball Cueball's picture

I didn't use the word demand.

Fidel

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Originally posted by Cueball:
[b] What it is about is the fact that no one has been putting preasure on the government because he comes from a pariah Muslim family and is not white.[/b]

And I might add that the Liberals voted 42 times in favour of propping-up the Harpers who are also mostly white males.

The NDP's Wayne Marston was caught red-handed on video more than once and demanding our stooges do something more than nothing for Khadr. So you have few options but to lay blame squarely on the NDP's shoulders for prodding and poking our old line party stoogeocrats from their human rights slumber in those particular instances.

Cueball Cueball's picture

None of those bills related to Khadr. Completely irrelvant to the issue. No member of the NDP put any motions forward either, so you can blow it out your ass. There was no prodding and poking.

I already said I approve of Marston's statement. Someone should have said something like that 6 years ago.

[ 29 October 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]

Fidel

42 times the Liberals threw their unwavering support to the Harpers, a party of white guys who by happenstance are [i]also[/i] in favour of trampling Omar Khadr's basic rights as per their instruction from Warshington since 2002 aye-aye Uncle Sam always here to please and appease!! I'd whistle Dixie but that wouldn't be very dignifying for our two old line party stoogeocrats waiting with baited breath for their next colonial administrative task

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