Election results Obama has won, now what?

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josh

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Originally posted by George Victor:
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Yep, Sarah Palin presence, Obama's obviously superior intellect, the collapsed economy, a completely failed Bush administration, etc., etc. etc. ...and it winds up a 52% - 48 % split across a turnout of 131,000,000 voters.

Penny for your thoughts! [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]


Actually, his lead is now 6 points and may grow as the west coast, which always has a heaving mail-in vote, comes in over the next day or two.

I take your point, but consider that it has been very difficult for any Democrat to break 50% over the last 40 years.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

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[b]Originally posted by jrose:[/b]
One thing that I hoped was learned from this election, is that CNN's goal of being a front runner for technology should go down the drain. [url=http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/tv/33875464.html?elr=KArksD:aDy...? Seriously?[/url] This use of technology must have been one of the most bizarre things of the night. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

Wow. That is seriously bizarre. How is it that an allegedly new, cutting-edge technology seem so unabashedly retro? Like a seersucker suit made of radon.

Michelle

I loved Andy Barrie's comment on the holograms this morning on Metro Morning (CBC radio Toronto). He said that when he saw the reporter beamed into the studio by hologram, he half-expected her to bend down and say, "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/04/AR200802... article about CNN's magic map.[/url]

[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Wow. Why I miss CNN. It's about time that the major news networks caught up to the kind of technology James Bond and the MI-6 have had for decades. Or at least for the latest film.

ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

Well here's a little change that has happened to me since yesterday.

I now can actually watch and listen to GW speak and not twist and turn inside and change the channel. I haven't been able to for quite some time.

He just made a statement, which of course is all rah rah, BS and bunk and hypocritical but it didn't even bug me.

Yeah GW, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

jrose

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Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]I loved Andy Barrie's comment on the holograms this morning on Metro Morning (CBC radio Toronto). He said that when he saw the reporter beamed into the studio by hologram, he half-expected her to bend down and say, "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/04/AR200802... article about CNN's magic map.[/url]

[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ][/b]


They actually "beamed" Jessica Yellin in
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5teD10FOA]here.[/url] About 48 seconds in, she's not there ... but wait for it ... There she is! It's beyond strange.

Chester Drawers

Back on topic. Now that Obama won, what will be the consequences?

I predict.

There will be higher taxes, but it will not be the exclusivity of the so called wealthy. Those in the middle will see a hit on the pocket book.

No medi-care.

NAFTA will remain as is.

Iraq war as is.

Economic turmoil as is.

Manufacturing decline.

He is not the messia that everyone is wishing for. The issues and trouble are bigger than what the man can change.

pogge

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Originally posted by Chester Drawers:
[b]I predict.
[/b]

You predicted McCain would win.

ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

Now what? Guess we start hearing who the 'team' is going to be. First up, old Clinton guy, NAFTA pusher and Dem Rep. Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff

[url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15314.html]Obama Plans to name Emmanual as Chief of Staff[/url]

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In his first major move as president-elect, Barack Obama has asked Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), a tough-minded tactician with West Wing experience, to serve as his White House chief of staff, Democratic sources tell Politico.

Emanuel has said to friends that he wants and will take the job, but it was not a done deal as of early this morning. Obama plans to move swiftly with his transition announcement and could name Emanuel this week, the sources said. He then plans rapid-fire announcements on his economic and national security teams.

If Emanuel — a member of the House Democratic leadership with ambitions to one day to be House speaker — were to turn it down, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) would likely get the nod, the sources said.

Some Democrats have warned that Emanuel’s take-no-prisoners style could hurt Obama. But the president-elect wants to move fast to push his legislative agenda through the Democratic-controlled Congress — and Emanuel knows the Hill and power politics as well as anyone in town.

“Obama wants a bad cop, so he can be good cop 90 percent of the time,” an adviser said.


Noah_Scape

I see the conservative minded people are still clinging to their FEAR. Obama said he is "your president too". Stop worrying so much about things that are not real, we have enough actual problems.

As relates to Canada, and our recent election, many of us are now feeling left out, having elected Harper [more or less] and therefore being left without "permission to have some hope" as they now have in America.

ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

Chavez wastes no time. *poke poke*

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n this day of hope for the American people, President Hugo Chбvez, on behalf of the people of Venezuela, congratulates the people of the United States and President-elect Barack Obama for his important victory in an election that has captured the attention of international public opinion.

This historic election of an African American to lead the most powerful country in the world is a sign that the era of change which has taken root in South America could be reaching the doorstep of the United States. From the homeland of Simуn Bolнvar, we are convinced the time has come to establish new relations between our countries and in our region, based on the principles of respect for sovereignty, equality and true cooperation.

From every corner of the world cries have rung out calling for change in international relations and the construction, as the Liberator Simуn Bolнvar would have said, of a world of balance, peace and of human coexistence.

The government of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela reaffirms its will and determination to build a constructive bilateral agenda, founded upon the absolute respect of sovereignty, for the well-being of the peoples of Venezuela and the United States.


My favorite line: "This historic election of an African American to lead the most powerful country in the world is a sign that the era of change which has taken root in South America could be reaching the doorstep of the United States."

Made me giggle. Love or hate the guy Chavez is good at the big political digs like this.

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Mojoroad1

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And have you checked out FreeRepublic?

Scary...really really scary. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]

TVParkdale

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Originally posted by remind:
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One can only imagine how how this win will impact FN's in Canada, FN youth had already been identifying with him, and I can hardly wait for the empowerment it will give them and for the day we will have a FN PM.

[/b]


If there was representational voting, Fontaine wouldn't be in office, although the upset to Come seems to have increased his effectiveness.

I'd like to see possibly Matthew Coon Come in the PM's chair.

Doubt that's likely to happen though!

And Leonard Pelletier as President [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

Then it really would be "MY home and NATIVE land"...

torontoprofessor

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Originally posted by M. Spector:
[b]I'm still waiting for the report of the international election observers before I'll accept the result.

Oh, wait, there aren't any international election observers![/b]


[url=http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul94852_Polish_election_o... election observers in US[/url]

[url=http://www.osce.org/odihr-elections/item_1_34737.html]OSCE/ODIHR observer mission to present assessment of United States elections at press conference on Wednesday[/url]

[url=http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=901941]Russian observers to monitor U. S. vote[/url]

[url=http://voanews.com/english/Africa/2008-11-04-voa36.cfm]International Observers Witness U.S. Elections[/url]

[url=http://www.voanews.com/english/Africa/2008-11-05-voa23.cfm]African Electoral Commissioners Comment After Observing 2008 U.S. Presidential Election[/url]

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by TVParkdale:
[b]I'd like to see possibly Matthew Coon Come in the PM's chair. [/b]

Me too actually, I believe he is a wonderful human being, and all Canadians, not just FN's, would be well served to have him as PM. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by Mojoroad1:
[b]Scary...really really scary. [/b]

Yes, and so is our own canadian dark site and IMV, it is going to get really ugly, as follows:

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If Obama is not shot out of office within a year, watch for medicare, unemployment, and universal pension benefits to be created, along with an open southern border policy.

[img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]

Moreover, I cannot believe that some people actually disagree with medicare, and unemployment and pension benefits! :bigeyes:

Fleabitn

Do notice, in celebration, US Imperial forces (no doubt aided by Canadians) murder at least 40 people at an Afghan wedding party. A glorious start to the Obamanation!

Not so curiously, not one Canadian news source even mentions these murders. Another glorious victory for Imperial lapdogs, but hell, the price of gas fell, so who cares, really.

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/world/asia/06afghan.html?hp]http://www...

Mojoroad1

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Originally posted by remind:
[b] [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]

Moreover, I cannot believe that some people actually disagree with medicare, and unemployment and pension benefits! :bigeyes:[/b]


Socialism! They all scream in unison..as they cock their semi-automatics....

And yeah, The Freeper site (and it's Canadian ilk) are down right ugly. Occasionally, now and then, I jump over to them to see what the troglodytes are thinking...know thy enemy and all that. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

George Victor

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Not so curiously, not one Canadian news source even mentions these murders. Another glorious victory for Imperial lapdogs, but hell, the price of gas fell, so who cares, really.


My issue of the Globe and Mail carried a quarter-page spread complete with pix of a kid on a bed with IV line in his arm. "They said the bodies of at least 36 women have been identified, and hundreds more men and women have been injured. Local leaders have yet to establish a firm casualty count because many of the victims remain buried beneath the rubble..."

"The bombing wasn't the end of the ordeal, witnesses said. When the air strikes were over, they said, international troops arrives in three sand-coloured armoured vehicles.

"Villagers reported they were intimidated and prvented from leaving to seek medical treatment while the (unidentified in this story) soldiers took pictures."

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And that nasty new U.S.president who did this obviously couldn't wait until he takes office in the new year.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

It will be even worse for the Afghans once O-bomb-a gets his hands on the military-industrial complex.

Doug

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Originally posted by Noah_Scape:
[b]I see the conservative minded people are still clinging to their FEAR. [/b]

Some of them seem to fully expect they'll be marched off to mosque at gunpoint the first Friday after the inauguration. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

nycndp

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Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]Last night, during McCain's concession speech, when he thanked Sarah Palin for helping him campaign, a bunch of us cheered and yelled out, "Thank-you, Sarah!" My table even drank a toast to Palin.

Thanks so much, Sarah! Heckuva job! You betcha! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]


There is little, besides good looks, that I agree with Sarah Palin on. She supports hunting wolves from helicopters, which is akin to killing a person by hanging them from their fingernails until they die from exposure.

Unfortunately we should not be laughing. I am making a prediction, now, that she will be elected in 2012.

kropotkin1951

I predict she will crawl back into a cave in Alaska and never be a player again in the big leagues. She was a bad gamble that lost the election I don't see her ever convincing 50% of American voters that she would make a good President. However if she did manage to win the Republican nomination in 2012 Obama would likely consider it a gift.

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/05/exit-polls-age-v-race/]Exit Polls show Palin was a drag on campaign[/url]

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GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin didn't do well in exit polls. Sixty percent of those polled said the Alaska governor is not qualified to be president, if necessary; 38 percent said she is. That compares with the two-thirds of those polled who said Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden is qualified to be president and the 31 percent who said he isn't.

martin dufresne

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nycndp: I am making a prediction, now, that she will be elected in 2012.

Some would burn her at the stake - and, so doing, whitewash the Repugs - to make sure you are wrong.

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by nycndp:
[b]Unfortunately we should not be laughing. I am making a prediction, now, that she will be elected in 2012.[/b]

Nope, there is no way the Repubs are going to allow the religious fundamentalists to have any sway, they are going to dump them big time.

oldgoat

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I predict she will crawl back into a cave in Alaska and never be a player again in the big leagues.

I don't see her doing either this or running for high electoral office again. She does have a constituancy, and I see her becoming a darling of right wing talk shows, doing the rounds as guest speaker at places like the Crystal Cathedral, and ending up as a well paid talking head on Fox.

pogge

Watch and see what happens when Ted Stevens is forced to resign his senate seat and a special election is called to replace him. Spending some time as a U.S. Senator would certainly bolster Palin's resume.

[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: pogge ]

kropotkin1951

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Originally posted by oldgoat:
[b]

I don't see her doing either this or running for high electoral office again. She does have a constituancy, and I see her becoming a darling of right wing talk shows, doing the rounds as guest speaker at places like the Crystal Cathedral, and ending up as a well paid talking head on Fox.[/b]


Oldgoat it is just disturbing to think of her as a commentator but I think you might be right on the money about that. She could be the next Rachel Marsden.

wage zombie

Yeah i agree, she will be a rock star fund raiser for the theo cons. And, if Stevens wins but is barred from the Senate, the seat would be hers if she wants it. I don't think she will though--she'll get more out of being a movement builder than a senator.

Remind the fundamentalists are still a big part of the Republican party. The Democrats keep taking House and Senate seats but very few of these are in the reddest districts--so the party moves right with every election loss.

Many republicans think they lost because of McCain, and in spite of Palin. He will be alienated, she will not.

Tommy_Paine

I fell asleep early last night, did I miss anything?

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by wage zombie:
[b]Yeah i agree, she will be a rock star fund raiser for the theo cons. And, if Stevens wins but is barred from the Senate, the seat would be hers if she wants it. I don't think she will though--she'll get more out of being a movement builder than a senator.

Remind the fundamentalists are still a big part of the Republican party. The Democrats keep taking House and Senate seats but very few of these are in the reddest districts--so the party moves right with every election loss.

Many republicans think they lost because of McCain, and in spite of Palin. He will be alienated, she will not.[/b]


Mmmm, I don't know about that, I think centerist Repugs want the fundamentalists and other whack jobs gone, and from what I have been reading around the net world, there is currently a very pointed discussions going on about this. Howevr, I am going to speak with a Republican friend of mine on Long Island later this week to see what his take is on it all, and what is going on behind the public musings.

wage zombie

The "centrist" Repubs would like them quiet and complacent, not gone. The problem is that the nutjobs donate their time and money much more than anyone else. They're the base of the party and the Republicans can't win without them.

The GOP has a lot to sort out and i don't think they'll be competitive for a while.

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by wage zombie:
[b]The "centrist" Repubs would like them quiet and complacent, not gone. The problem is that the nutjobs donate their time and money much more than anyone else. They're the base of the party and the Republicans can't win without them.

The GOP has a lot to sort out and i don't think they'll be competitive for a while.[/b]


You believe they are the base of the party in what way? I have thought as much too, however, I was told not so by my republican friend, who believes they have highjacked his party.

wage zombie

Well sure. Once you highjack a party, you become the base.

Palin outdrew McCain in their rallies. Nobody's interested in hearing John McCain talk. Nobody's interested in hearing Romney or Giuliani talk. Rudy could get by on 911 for a while but at this point they're just suits putting forth a neo con agenda. Some interests will certainly fund those politicians, but all they're doing is spouting the party line.

The base are the people voting. None of the nutjobs held their noses and voted Obama--those were the moderates.

Aristotleded24

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Originally posted by M. Spector:
[b]For me, the most astonishing thing about this election is that 47% of the voters voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

After all that's happened in the last 8 years, that has to represent your hard-core, racist, right-wing vote. And that's an awfully big hard-core right-wing element.

The USA is truly fucked up.[/b]


I'm guessing that the uncovering of election fraud will ultimately show McCain's popular vote less than that.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Also interesting is the fact that more than one in three registered voters did not vote in this "historic" election.

Chester Drawers

Pogge I was being sarcastic about McCain winning. Everyone knew BO was going to win.

Ken Burch

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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
[b]I fell asleep early last night, did I miss anything?[/b]

Other than Bob Barr carrying 45 states, no, you didn't.

remind remind's picture

MSpector, Palast figures something like 10 million formerly registered voters were deprived of their vote, which most certainly changes the figures that you state, which by the way came from where?

There is also millions of provisional and abscentee ballots still floating around out there that have not yet been counted.

Plus wasn't there something like 118 million voters who voted yesterday? That is over 1/3 of the population of the USA which is 299 million. And 31% of the population is not old enough to vote, and about 11% are foreign nationals that cannot vote. So I find your numbers a bit confusing and off.

Also, what I find interesting is that there were 9 million more newly registered voters who have never voted before and who could have, and who did vote.

[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

djelimon

In the US, from what I have read, party affiliation is commonly a part of family tradition.

Red states are Red often because it's traditional to vote GOP in those areas.

US politics is thus mostly about getting the squishy middle.

Anyway, the not-insane guy won

ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

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Originally posted by remind:
[QB]MSpector, Palast figures something like 10 million formerly registered voters were deprived of their vote, which most certainly changes the figures that you state, which by the way came from where?

There is also millions of provisional and abscentee ballots still floating around out there that have not yet been counted.

Plus wasn't there something like 118 million voters who voted yesterday? That is over 1/3 of the population of the USA which is 299 million. And 31% of the population is not old enough to vote, and about 11% are foreign nationals that cannot vote. So I find your numbers a bit confusing and off.


I just read that when all of the ballots are finally tallied the number is more likely to be closer to 136 million and potentially the highest number of votes ever but so far the highest in close in 100 years.

Some analysis here:
[url=http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/popular-vote.html]538[/url]

Ken Burch

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Originally posted by djelimon:
[b]In the US, from what I have read, party affiliation is commonly a part of family tradition.
[/b]

And that's different from Canada?
[img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]


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[b]Anyway, the not-insane guy won[/b]

George Papoon in 2008!

[img]http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/Papoon_not_insane_bum...

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by ElizaQ:
[b] I just read that when all of the ballots are finally tallied the number is more likely to be closer to 136 million and potentially the highest number of votes ever but so far the highest in close in 100 years. [/b]

Well, it would have to be the highest ever then, as there were only 88,710,000 people in the USA in 1908. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img] Population did not reach 136 million until 1943.

I know I know you mean % of the population eligible to vote. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

ElizaQ ElizaQ's picture

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Originally posted by remind:
[b]

Well, it would have to be the highest ever then, as there were only 88,710,000 people in the USA in 1908. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img] Population did not reach 136 million until 1943.

I know I know you mean % of the population eligible to vote. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]


Yeah I realized that after I posted. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

One of the stations I was watching last night was out of Michigan and every half hour it cut to local coverage. They were talking about the turnout in some of the precincts as the numbers were coming in and said that quite a few were showing 80%+ turnout of registered voters. Then one of the anchors paused as she was reading,looked surprised and said off script "Is this true? Wow" She then said at least a couple were reporting near 100% turnout.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

The final figures are not yet in, but the media are reporting anticipated turnout figures of around 63-64%.

Which is less than 2 out of 3.

Doug

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Originally posted by M. Spector:
[b]The final figures are not yet in, but the media are reporting anticipated turnout figures of around 63-64%.

Which is less than 2 out of 3.[/b]


No Canadian has the right to get critical about that anymore.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

I'm not criticizing.

josh

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Originally posted by ElizaQ:
[b]

I just read that when all of the ballots are finally tallied the number is more likely to be closer to 136 million and potentially the highest number of votes ever but so far the highest in close in 100 years.

Some analysis here:
[url=http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/popular-vote.html]538[/url][/b]


Likely to be much less than that, probably 128 million. Due to a drop in the Republican turnout. Highest percentage turnout since 1968.

[url=http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/06/voter-turnout-rate-not-as-high-...

Unionist

[url=http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=74693&sectionid=351020704]Chavez to Obama: Focus on humanitarianism[/url]

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“Obama should make a swing toward humanitarianism, toward respectful treatment of the rest of the world,” said President Chavez in his first public comments on Obama's US election victory Tuesday.

He stated that the US should begin reforms from inside and it is only then that America could become a great country.

“I wish the new US government would keep abreast of the desires of the world and its own people. The US administration should focus first and foremost on internal US matters,” Chavez said.


djelimon

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and that's different from Canada?

I think so, because there's a lot less entrenchment in political turf. Were it otherwise, Ontario wouldn't be a battleground. Quebec wouldn't be one either. It's a matter of degree.

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