Alberta - time to go

Madwow wrote:

I get you. Only Quebec can hold Canada hostage.

That will be a hard sell anywhere but Eastern Canada

It's so hard to be polite when the only logical explanations for your response are dishonesty or stupidity; allow me to assume the second, and couch it in terms less offensive...

The territory now known as 'Alberta' was a part of Canada before the province of Alberta was ever conceived.  Some other provinces existed as quasi-independent colonies of Britain prior to Confederation; they clearly have a different historical relationship to the confederation than the territories that exist strictly as children of that union.

Quebec is not the only province that pre-existed Confederation; one can only marvel at your ignorance of that fact. 

Uncle John wrote:

No, Quebec, Ontario, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia can hold Canada hostage. Not just Quebec.

The Maritimes can hold Canada hostage? Fat chance. I get your point, but in reality the Maritimes is dismissed by the rest of Canada. And that's an easy sell in the West...

Madwow wrote:

In case you are not up on current affairs, it seems that only Quebec has to have their asses pampered of all the provinces that pre-existed Confederation.

I'm glad you put in the clause "of all the provinces that pre-existed Confederation," for a moment I thought you were suggesting Alberta did not expect/require pampering... afterall the very foundation of the province was built by "the rest of Canada" and yet to hear it from most Albertans they sprang fully-formed from the womb of Jesus, doused in oil and rolling in cash.

Speaking of dependency, when the energy sector in Alberta starts shedding jobs due to $40 oil, who exactly will be cutting the EIC cheques?

 

Wait a minute! I've got it! Those blood-sucking freezing-in-the-dark bastards in Ottawa! Just like in recessions in the past!

Avenge the Highland Clearances!

 

 

Hoodeet (JW)

To answer Polly B.

I think the political class is (making money these days).

Too
many provinces and territories. Too many legislatures (I count a total
of 14 if we include Commons and Senate). Too many salaries, expense
accounts, staff salaries, travel expenses, and PENSIONS.   Plus
the right to raise their own salaries and perqs and pensions with no
input or challenge possible from the taxpaying base.  They are a
largely unproductive sector, when compared to some others.

The
priority should be to give everyone a living  basic  wage
with extended health care, appropriate support for the elderly and the
infirm, full support for farmers with incentives for organic farming
and local/regional marketing, and provide incentives for green and
sustainable technology.   Phase out corporate welfare, even
if the bums threaten to move out. Tax international financial
transactions.  

 Once that is in place, we'll have
more community-based decentralization that can counter provincial and
federal powers.  

So yes, I'd agree with a proposal to reorganize the country into a very
different form of federalism. Ideally, scrap federalism altogether.   More pipe dreams. Past my bedtime, obviously.

One grip from 30 years ago that is totally distorted from reality. I don't know what they teach in those Albertan Highschools. If there is any babblers that live in Alberta, can you tell me what you remember about what bastards we in the east are. Because the 'west' is usually Alberta bitching about the rest, not BC Man Sask. But it lets them seem not like Quebec isn't that convienant. Quebec the older child that got to do everything first and Alberta the younger child that was spoiled but bitches about how quebec got to do everything first. Some days I wish mother england would come in here and smack these kids. Learn to get along with your sibblings now that mother isn't around anymore.

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Saskatchewan Party supporters cannot be distinguished from Albertans!

I'm pissed off with Saskatchewan Party voters, mate. Quit leaving out the important part.

Your language verges on the hysterical, Madwow.

But whatever percentage of the Saskatchewan voting age population who turned out to vote and actually got sucked into the Sask. Party spin - for them I feel pity that they succumbed to the drivel of another populist pitch which is going to do nothing - nothing at all - for the growing aboriginal population.

Try specificity in your postings, M. Causes you to think a bit.

thorin_bane wrote:

One grip from 30 years ago that is totally distorted from reality. I don't know what they teach in those Albertan Highschools. If there is any babblers that live in Alberta, can you tell me what you remember about what bastards we in the east are.

  Babbler from Alberta here.  In Alberta highschools they teach the same fucking curriculum as the rest of the country.  I have no clue what kind of bastards you alls in the east are - as it pertains to the NEP - and it wasn't an Alberta Babbler that brought that into the discussion.

 But don't let that stop you from flailing around with your bigass brush.

If you mention "NEP" to an Albertan, they will cuss the name of Pierre Trudeau and tell you how it fucked us over. Ask them what the NEP actually was, and you'll be met with a blank stare and you'll see a big question mark hovering over their heads.

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In Alberta highschools they teach the same fucking curriculum as the rest of the country.

I sure hope not! I feel sorry for the rest of the country if you too learned nothing but obscure details of colonialism in eastern canada and a whole lot about the MicMacs, taught from the perspective that they no longer exist of course, like ancient agypt. I figured the crummy contents of our high school history curriculum were at least uniquely crummy in each region. For example we certainly never learned anything about the NEP, nor Trudeau for that matter, as a part of any school curriculum.

Polly B wrote:

thorin_bane wrote:

One grip from 30 years ago that is totally distorted from reality. I don't know what they teach in those Albertan Highschools. If there is any babblers that live in Alberta, can you tell me what you remember about what bastards we in the east are.

  Babbler from Alberta here.  In Alberta highschools they teach the same fucking curriculum as the rest of the country.  I have no clue what kind of bastards you alls in the east are - as it pertains to the NEP - and it wasn't an Alberta Babbler that brought that into the discussion.

But don't let that stop you from flailing around with your bigass brush.

Polly you got me wrong. That is the point I am making, It's not like they teach you in highschool that we in the east are out to steal your oil and NEP was a way of quebec/ontario to damage the alberta economy. But that is what you here from the cons that represent the low turnout voting public from your province. Much the same as when I was in highschool it did teach us we had a great nation that was brought together because of the transcanada rail. Another country wide expedition. I could say "Well we funded the rail in nova scotia( a lot of banking was from there back then) and where is our payoff." The problem I have with Alberta is the "we pulled ourselves up by our boot straps" mentality whenever they interview the vast majority of their politicians and a great many of on the street folk. It took immigrants and money to build any and all provinces no matter where you live, but you wouldn't know it. The problem is no rep for you guys that don't agree with the cowboy mentailty. 

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mcgregok wrote:

 

http://www.freealberta.com/current_issues.html

 

From that link:

 "Alberta
is not protected by the Constitution, as Alberta has been looted
several times, despite Alberta having sole control over her natural
resources."

 

 Looted? Maybe by the corporations
that take the natural resources away without compensating Albertans
[budget deficit this year again, like 1994], but not "looted" by
Canada...

 By the way, the NEP never did happen... [but it should have!] :)

 

 

"NEP is the Albertan equivalent of Fat English Saleslady refusing to serve someone in French at Eaton's in Montreal."

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In Montreal that's history.

In Calgary, the NEP is political  holy writ (for manipulators and manipulated.)

 

You've got some Gaul to say that