Viva la revolucion! Cuba's 50th anniversary.

Tue, 2008-12-30 20:04

RosaL

CMOT Dibbler wrote:

Go ahead, so long as it dosen't have any of that dicatorship of proletariate shit in it. That bit of ideology trapped the Russians in a very long, very cruel dictatorship.

It's dictatorship of the proletariat in contrast to what we have now: the dictatorship of the capitalists. It means the working class is in charge. It's not about dictatorship in the sense you mean. But few marxists would use this terminology anymore because it's too often misunderstood.

Certainly some things went badly wrong in the Soviet Union, but not because marxists were talking about "the dictatorship of the proletariat". In fact, many problems stemmed from the fact that they didn't have a true dictatorship of the proletariat.

Tue, 2008-12-30 20:06

#103

Fidel

CMOT Dibbler wrote:
U.S. managed elections aren't real elections. The elections that catipulted the Bolivarians to power weren't brought to the people of Latin America by THE GREATEST DEMOCRACY ON EARTHtm, which is why Bush was so upset with Hugo (he wasn't installed by wacky Mormon Assholes from Langley) and tried to bugger him politically.

So you point to two positive examples in recent years, but they have only occurred in recent years and because the military resources of the vicious empire are spread thin in Central Asia and Middle East.

This is the first leader of Bolivia who speaks Spanish without a thick American accent. The rightwing is still there in Bolivia and having launched terrorist attacks on their own people and government. And Hugo has much work to do to alleviate decades of poverty and illiteracy in his country. It will take time for Bolivians, Venezuelans , Argentines and Nicaraguans just to undo the damage done to literacy, and national health by years neoliberal restructuring - two to three generations. Cuba didn't achieve what it has in a matter of four or even five years according to any schedules laid out for them by IMF, WTO, or World Bankers.

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As to why the Castros have been in power for so long, it's because of the embargo. Fidel managed to offer the Cuban people solace when they the Americans spat on them,

Cubans think a lot more of Fidel than just a comforting leader in times of genocidal sanctions, terrorist attacks on Cuba and US hypocrisy in general. Fidel has ensured that Cubans can afford to see a doctor and go to school and not be gouged for rent by mafia landlords. Even toward the end of his leadership years and as his health was in question, thousands still showed up to listen to Fidel's open air speeches. Cubans love Fidel, and if necessary, would fight tooth and nail in defence of the revolution as if it happened yesterday. The CIA understand this and so do Gusano Gladios.

Viva la Revolucion!

Tue, 2008-12-30 21:24

#104

old_bolshie

For those curious about independent travel to Cuba-which is easier than you think no need to constantly pay Castro's commissars and flunkies -reading this book is a great place to start.

http://www.galfromdownunder.com/cuba/

The author and I visited some of the same places and our methods of transport were quite similar.

Tue, 2008-12-30 21:38

#105

CMOT Dibbler

So you point to two positive examples....

Two? I thought there were many Bolivarian leftists leading Latin American states.

...but they have only occurred in recent years and because the military resources of the vicious empire are spread thin in Central Asia and Middle East.

Who cares why it happened, it happened. It's a good thing.

Cubans think a lot more of Fidel than just a comforting leader in times of genocidal sanctions, terrorist attacks on Cuba and US hypocrisy in general. Fidel has ensured that Cubans can afford to see a doctor and go to school and not be gouged for rent by mafia landlords. Even toward the end of his leadership years and as his health was in question, thousands still showed up to listen to Fidel's open air speeches. Cubans love Fidel, and if necessary, would fight tooth and nail in defence of the revolution as if it happened yesterday. The CIA understand this and so do Gusano Gladios.

But the healthcare and education is part of the comfort.

If Fidel had told his people when the embargo was imposed that they wouldn't be getting any social programs, he would've been toppled in the first couple of years of his presidency, but since he has provided excelent healthcare and topnotch education, they haven't. I'm sure many Cubans don't like Fidel, but given the economic situation Cuba is in, and the most prominant alternative to his leadership(the Miami lunatics cannot be allowed to gain control of the island) they relize that he is the only game in town.

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Takes more than combat gear to make a man Takes more than license for a gun Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can A gentleman will walk but never run -Sting, an englishman in new york

Tue, 2008-12-30 21:40

#106

CMOT Dibbler

If U.S.-managed elections in Haiti are such a good thing, then why are they so poor in Hatis, and its richest few colonials in that country calling on the US military and CIA to invade that island nation 25 times from last century to this one to put down widespread peoples revolts?

U.S. managed elections aren't real elections. The elections that catipulted the Bolivarians to power weren't brought to the people of Latin America by THE GREATEST DEMOCRACY ON EARTHtm, which is why Bush was so upset with Hugo (he wasn't installed by wacky Mormon Assholes from Langley) and tried to bugger him politically.

As to why the Castros have been in power for so long, it's because of the embargo. Fidel managed to offer the Cuban people solace when the Americans spat on them, and in hard economic times people often don't want democracy. When the embargo is lifted, The castro brothers won't be needed anymore.

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Takes more than combat gear to make a man Takes more than license for a gun Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can A gentleman will walk but never run -Sting, an englishman in new york

Tue, 2008-12-30 21:45

#107

CMOT Dibbler

This is the first leader of Bolivia who speaks Spanish without a thick American accent. The rightwing is still there in Bolivia and having launched terrorist attacks on their own people and government. And Hugo has much work to do to alleviate decades of poverty and illiteracy in his country. It will take time for Bolivians, Venezuelans , Argentines and Nicaraguans just to undo the damage done to literacy, and national health by years neoliberal restructuring - two to three generations. Cuba didn't achieve what it has in a matter of four or even five years according to any schedules laid out for them by IMF, WTO, or World Bankers.

I don't doubt that.

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Takes more than combat gear to make a man Takes more than license for a gun Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can A gentleman will walk but never run -Sting, an englishman in new york

Wed, 2008-12-31 05:47

#108

Fidel

CMOT Dibbler wrote:

So you point to two positive examples....

Two?  I thought there were many Bolivarian leftists leading Latin American states.

     ...but they have only occurred in recent years and because the military resources of the vicious empire are spread thin in Central Asia and Middle East.

Who cares why it happened, it happened. It's a good thing.

It's a good thing, but it has come late in the game. The gringos have typically controlled Latin America by way of the elites in those countries and propping up Latin America's militaries. About a year ago, Donald Rumsfeld announced increased US aid to Latin Americas militaries. Mexico and Colombia will receive increased shipments of weapons and US taxpayers money, supposedly for promoting security and democracy in Latin America. And that is a terrible lie, CMOT_D. WINSEC aka the notorious School of the Americas, continues to do business with US client states in "the backyard"

But the healthcare and education is part of the comfort.

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If Fidel had told his people when the embargo was imposed that they wouldn't be getting any social programs, he would've been toppled in the first couple of years of his presidency, but since he has provided excelent healthcare and topnotch education, they haven't. I'm sure many Cubans don't like Fidel, but given the economic situation Cuba is in, and the most prominant alternative to his leadership(the Miami lunatics cannot be allowed to gain control of the island) they relize that he is the only game in town.

I have to partially agree with you here. Fidel and now Raul definitely appeal to most Cubans moreso than what they see around them in Haiti and Central America. Thousands of Cuban aid workers have been to Central America and Haiti and know full well what the real alternatives are in the U.S. managed client states. Important information about those realities is made available to all Cubans. The Cubans understand that democracy does not exist without a healthy, well-informed and educated public.

Thu, 2009-01-01 08:27

#109

Maysie

Closing for length.

Viva la revolucion! Cuba's 50th anniversary.

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