Right wing crackpot accuses Obama of using mass hypnosis
Tue, 2008-10-21 15:05
#1
Right wing crackpot accuses Obama of using mass hypnosis
Tue, 2008-10-21 15:05
#2
[url=http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_...'s Use of Hidden Hypnosis techniques in His Speeches[/url]
This has to be the most crackpot accusation I've read so far in this election campaign.
Tue, 2008-10-21 15:24
#3
Just when I thought all the acid i took in the 70s and 80s was totally out of my system, something like this comes along and I can't tell if it is real or I am having a waking dream/trip. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Tue, 2008-10-21 16:28
#4
You know, I was wondering why Obama was incorporating the phase "you are getting sleepy, very sleepy..." in his stump speeches.
Tue, 2008-10-21 23:32
#5
I swear, they must [i]really[/i] think Americans are stupid enough to believe this crap.
Wed, 2008-10-22 07:10
#6
Scott Piatkowski
In the interests of avoiding thread proliferation, let's use this thread as a clearing house for crazy right wing attacks on Obama. Here's a clip of McCain stating that he is "absolutely" proud of an RNC mailer accusing Obama of believing that terrorists (subtly pictured as the nose of an airplane) "just need a good talking to".
Wed, 2008-10-22 07:21
#7
ElizaQ
quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:
[b]I swear, they must [i]really[/i] think Americans are stupid enough to believe this crap.[/b]
The scary thing is that there are those that do! I won't link but on places like Free Republic this was the topic of serious conversation. People were actually congratulating each other for being strong enough to be 'immune' to the manipulation. Amusing but creepy at the same time.
Apparently this was also the reason for both Clintons successes and for some the 'real' and most logical and sensible explanation for why so many people attend Obama's rallies and are voting for the guy.
Apparently this is part of the Democrats uber secret training programs for all of their candidates 'and something needs to be done about it!!!"
LOL
Wed, 2008-10-22 19:05
#8
ElizaQ
On Scott's suggestion of posting crazy attacks in this thread...
I call this one 'the well if you can't make up your mind just mush all the 'evil' words together attack'
[url=http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_10783845]GOP Chairwoman Calls Obama a Muslim Socialist[/url]
quote:
ALBUQUERQUE - The chairwoman of an Otero County Republican women's group on Tuesday defended a letter to the editor in which she wrote, ''I believe Muslims are our enemies.''Marcia Stirman, a 56-year-old interior decorator, also called Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama ''a Muslim socialist.''
A national Islamic group expressed outrage over Stirman's letter and called on state and national Republican Party officials to repudiate the publication of ''anti-Muslim comments.''
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Asked for a response to Awad's concerns, she said of Muslims: ''I don't trust them at all.They've sworn across the world that they are our enemies. Why we're trying to elect one is beside me.''
Stirman said she carefully considered what she wrote in the letter, refused to apologize and defended her right to express her views.
''I still have freedom of speech and an opinion. If the Islamic group doesn't like it, well, I don't like what's going on in their camp, either,'' Stirman said.
There are also some lurvly comments, my favorite by someone aptly titled 'the Final Crusade'
quote:
Good for her. She's spot on.
Perhaps voting for hussein is a circuitous route to restoring the strength and values of our union. The military is overwhelmingly conservative, Real Americans are armed and possess the will to rise to the challenge. It would be a necessary, short and cathartic conflict. The crusade of "isms" terrorism, liberalism, communism is at hand...
In the solitude of the voting booth, America will elect McCain, only democrat terrorists will support barack hussein
Fri, 2009-01-02 09:49
#9
We have also read some days ago that Obama was actually carefully prepared for what was coming and being well instructed in how to hypnotize the masses gave him the huge priority in the elections.
Fri, 2009-01-02 10:32
#10
That's hilarious. Well, if anyone knows about hypnotizing the masses, it's the Republicans. Right after September 11th, they and their corporate media buddies knew exactly how to hypnotize the vast majority of Americans into doing anything they said they had to do, "or else the terrorists win". All they had to do was have all the legislators stand outside the White House, hum a few bars of "America the Beautiful," and they had 80% of the population responding with twirling irises, and murmuring, "Support our commander-in-chief."
Fri, 2009-01-02 13:06
#11
I agree, Michelle. It's also worth considering, in this light, what happens at many evangelical church services.
Fri, 2009-01-02 13:13
#12
bagkitty
Loretta... is that mass hypnosis, or mass hysteria?
Fri, 2009-01-02 13:19
#13
probably both...
Fri, 2009-02-06 06:19
#14
You know, even if Obama did know ways to hypnotize someone, stating that he was using "mass hypnosis" is something for the sci-fi channel. I mean, I know mass hypnosis is possible, but if Obama was using it then it would have been a lot more obvious to say the least.
Fri, 2009-02-06 10:04
#15
You're forgetting that right wing crackpots see Obama as some sort of charming super villain, "Barack the Magic Negro"
Fri, 2009-02-06 10:09
#16
What is so unbelievable about the most powerful and well-financed political organization using all legal psychological tools available?
Fri, 2009-02-06 10:17
#17
What is so unbelievable about the most powerful and well-financed political organization using all legal psychological tools available?
So you, a man of science, believe that Obama is mass hypnotizing people? Are you serious? I wouldn't even believe Bush was doing that.
Fri, 2009-02-06 10:30
#18
What is so unbelievable about the most powerful and well-financed political organization using all legal psychological tools available?
So you, a man of science, believe that Obama is mass hypnotizing people? Are you serious? I wouldn't even believe Bush was doing that.
First of all please don't label me like that, would you like anyone to call you a woman of criminology?
I would not be surprised, even expect, that he's received expert training to calibrate his speech, facial expressions and hand gestures to best manipulate the public. Corporate executives get this training so why not politicians? I don't think the line is as sharp as some might believe, subliminal advertising and implicit racism (sometimes implicit to a high degree) have been spotted many times by babble posters and discussed. That the writer used the term hypnosis was helpful in that it attracted attention, but probably harmful in that it might steer people away from his analysis.
I suspect a very small fraction of the political shifts that take place are due to rational analysis and discourse.
Fri, 2009-02-06 10:36
#19
I would not be surprised, even expect, that he's received expert training to calibrate his speech, facial expressions and hand gestures to best manipulate the public.
You mean that he's gotten training in public speaking? Or what used to be called "rhetoric" or "oratory" and was once a core element of a classical education? Sure, it's possible he's received some training in how to give a speech but that's hardly sinister. In fact, it was once something you'd expect from a public figure.
Fri, 2009-02-06 11:42
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ElizaQ
Activists can and do get the same sort of training. I've been to workshops myself on it over the years. As Mycroft said it's called public speaking and it's really just basic communication skills about getting whatever your message is across, whether it's to a small group or mass rally, it's not sinister in and of itself. Geez, you can even go to something as banal like Toastmasters and learn a lot of it. It's not rocket science or anything really new for that matter.
Fri, 2009-02-06 11:54
#21
Of course he has had training. No brainer. His campaign chair advised McGuinty in 2003 no brainer.
big freakin deal. People did not vote for Obama because of how he said something. They voted for a message, a hope and yes just maybe a dream.
But that is what we do each and every day.
We all formulate opinions based on perceptions. Very few on rabble have met Harper yet we have strong feelings based upon his rhetoric and actions.
All a training session can do is help a client use there best skills while ignoring their bad skills.
Fri, 2009-02-06 12:03
#22
Activists can and do get the same sort of training. I've been to workshops myself on it over the years. As Mycroft said it's called public speaking and it's really just basic communication skills about getting whatever your message is across, whether it's to a small group or mass rally, it's not sinister in and of itself. Geez, you can even go to something as banal like Toastmasters and learn a lot of it. It's not rocket science or anything really new for that matter.
Is it not a big deal that he has that training, or is it a crackpot assumption to think he has that training?
Fri, 2009-02-06 12:08
#23
M. Spector
That's hilarious. Well, if anyone knows about hypnotizing the masses, it's the Republicans. Right after September 11th, they and their corporate media buddies knew exactly how to hypnotize the vast majority of Americans into doing anything they said they had to do, "or else the terrorists win". All they had to do was have all the legislators stand outside the White House, hum a few bars of "America the Beautiful," and they had 80% of the population responding with twirling irises, and murmuring, "Support our commander-in-chief."
The Democrats are doing the same thing with the magic words "Hope" and "Change". They've got the USian public so bamboozled they might as well be hypnotized.
Fri, 2009-02-06 12:13
#24
Actually the article is very compelling, if you can get past words like "hypnosis" and "trance state" and substitute them with "suasive techniques" and "suggestibility". As the others here are saying, it is a part of oratory, and it has probably become quite advanced with modern, extensively tested psychological techniques. Techniques that are used by many professions, and in many contexts, with politics and religion being the most obvious. It has been pointed out before that television itself is a hypnotic technology, distracting the conscious mind and suspending logical thinking, allowing other, more simply constructed messages to enter the subconscious directly. Advertising.
Fri, 2009-02-06 12:21
#25
ElizaQ
Is it not a big deal that he has that training, or is it a crackpot assumption to think he has that training?
I think that it's a crackpot assumption that it's some sort of hypnosis, or some sort of super secret whackido, hoodoo, woo woo woo. I think this person has asked himself the question, 'why are these masses of people listening to this guy that I personally hate, for whatever reason' and in order to explain it has to take it to some sort of extreme magic world because anything else defies their own personal logic of what is reality.
Although it is mostly speculation on my part, possibly owing to the response that this 'revelation' has gotten with some of the winger groups, I do think that there is possibly a racial componant at the root of it. It satisfies those wondering or trying to grasp through a myopic and yes bigoted worldview at some sort 'explanation' of just how so many people can listen and vote for the 'black' guy or this weird 'other' that just seemed to pop onto the scene with little warning. Yep it must be more then just a regular old politician who happens to be a good speaker, he MUST be using more then just the regular stuff. Woo woo, he's HYPONOTISING people who don't have brains like we surely do....yep, yep...that explains it. Phew.....
Fri, 2009-02-06 12:29
#26
Is it not a big deal that he has that training, or is it a crackpot assumption to think he has that training?
I think that it's a crackpot assumption that it's some sort of hypnosis, or some sort of super secret whackido, hoodoo, woo woo woo. I think this person has asked himself the question, 'why are these masses of people listening to this guy that I personally hate, for whatever reason' and in order to explain it has to take it to some sort of extreme magic world because anything else defies their own personal logic of what is reality.
It isn't "magic", it's science. Magic would be saying Obama hires the best astrologers. That's not what's being said, what's being said is that he's a master manipulator.
Do you remember the racist Bob Corker election ad against Harold Ford in the 2006 Tennessee senate race? Same principle.
Btw intelligent people are just as vulnerable to neuro-linguistic programming as dim people.
Fri, 2009-02-06 12:31
#27
ElizaQ
Actually the article is very compelling, if you can get past words like "hypnosis" and "trance state" and substitute them with "suasive techniques" and "suggestibility". As the others here are saying, it is a part of oratory, and it has probably become quite advanced with modern, extensively tested psychological techniques. Techniques that are used by many professions, and in many contexts, with politics and religion being the most obvious. It has been pointed out before that television itself is a hypnotic technology, distracting the conscious mind and suspending logical thinking, allowing other, more simply constructed messages to enter the subconscious directly. Advertising.
Yes that's totally true. I don't however find it overly compelling in reference to Obama as if he's doing something overally special or in this guys eyes more sinister. It's pretty normal stuff overall, if one has done any sort of critical media awareness, marketing training, or even political work for that matter. Obama and whomever is around him happens to be quite good at it. Coke and Pepsi are pretty good at too. Fox news is great at it within their certain market segment. I think that the biggest thing is that the 'right' in recent years just isn't used to seeing or having to deal with a Democratic politican that is good at it. Hence for this guy at least the explanation has to become more fantastic because heck, those people over there and not like me are supposed to be dumber then we are.
Fri, 2009-02-06 13:03
#28
ElizaQ
It isn't "magic", it's science. Magic would be saying Obama hires the best astrologers. That's not what's being said, what's being said is that he's a master manipulator.
Is it not a big deal that he has that training, or is it a crackpot assumption to think he has that training?
I think that it's a crackpot assumption that it's some sort of hypnosis, or some sort of super secret whackido, hoodoo, woo woo woo. I think this person has asked himself the question, 'why are these masses of people listening to this guy that I personally hate, for whatever reason' and in order to explain it has to take it to some sort of extreme magic world because anything else defies their own personal logic of what is reality.
Do you remember the racist Bob Corker election ad against Harold Ford in the 2006 Tennessee senate race? Same principle.
Btw intelligent people are just as vulnerable to neuro-linguistic programming as dim people.
I know it isn't 'magic'. I actually have specific training in neuro-linguistic science, based on Dr. Erickisons work. I read this article as someone who is actually familar with it and no I'm not completly buying it. It to me reads as someone who starts with a hypothesis and conclusion and fits the facts to that conclusion.
I's way more common then people might be aware of and is more and more becomining generalized into things like public speaking, political work on whatever part of the spectrum one might fall on, basic marketing and media relations courses. When it comes to political rhetoric it's easy to go back in years past and see what Erickison has developed into a science at work, yet there was no 'science' at the time for those people to study. I don't want to just just Godwin here but I would put the guy refered to by godwining in a list of someone who was really good at it, along with a list of numerous other historical figures. It would be easy enough to write this exact same piece, dissecting the speeches from people like Churchhill, Che, MLK, Lincoln or pretty much anyone that history as deemed as 'good' and speaking and talking to large masses of people if one started with the conclusion that they were using these techniques. It wouldn't be hard to make it 'fit' with a NLP conclusion. Much of it is basically about the use of rhetoric and oratory techniques, something that as Mycroft pointed out has been part of classical education for centuries. Some people are naturals and charismatic and you don't need to have specific training in the specific science. Causation does not always mean correlation and vice versa.
This guy is imo is making it seem like some sort of evil 'magic' woo woo that Obama is foisting on the masses because it needs an explanation that goes beyond mere charisma and rhetorical flourish.
Fri, 2009-02-06 13:08
#29
Jebus Apples, you need to calm down. I had no idea "man of science" was so upsetting to you. And yes, I really do not care if you call me a woman of criminology, except the two phrases aren't even remotely analogous.
Forgive me for attempting to compliment you. I'll make sure never to do it again.
Fri, 2009-02-06 13:20
#30
Everyone agrees that Obama is an exceptionally good orator. I think the article is useful for pointing out where some of these techniques may be intentional. I don't think it builds any kind of case that the use of such techniques borders on mind control or is illegal, as it suggests.
Fri, 2009-02-06 13:23
#31
ElizaQ
I should add...it wouldn't be hard to make it fit into an NLP conclusion because NLP is not something that was just invented out of nothing. It's a basically a science that was developed out of studying how people communitcate, through observation of what already happens when people communicate with each other both on an person to person basis as well as an individual biological basis. A person can use and people have been using such things without it ever being recognized specfically as NLP. Likely ever since humans have existed. The difference is that NLP has basically named it all and created specific methods for using what already can occur naturally in order to use it in situations where it doesn't. As with any science, that's actually named natural occurances, it seems it can be used for good or bad. The courses I took were directed at counselling situations and techniques for dealing with stress, addiction and other emotionally bad things that people have to deal with.
Fri, 2009-02-06 14:20
#32
Jebus Apples, you need to calm down. I had no idea "man of science" was so upsetting to you. And yes, I really do not care if you call me a woman of criminology, except the two phrases aren't even remotely analogous.
Forgive me for attempting to compliment you. I'll make sure never to do it again.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to write anything aggressive.
Fri, 2009-02-06 14:50
#33
M. Spector
[url=http://donaldclarkplanb.blogspot.com/2007/03/nlp-no-longer-plausibe.html... of crackpot theories...[/u][/color][/url]
Sun, 2009-03-01 14:40
#34
That's hilarious. Well, if anyone knows about hypnotizing the masses, it's the Republicans. Right after September 11th, they and their corporate media buddies knew exactly how to hypnotize the vast majority of Americans into doing anything they said they had to do, "or else the terrorists win". All they had to do was have all the legislators stand outside the White House, hum a few bars of "America the Beautiful," and they had 80% of the population responding with twirling irises, and murmuring, "Support our commander-in-chief."
To think I was once mocked and admonished with outrage on babble for my low opinion of Americans back before September 11, 2001.
Sun, 2009-03-01 15:42
#35
Well probably not by me. You remind me Dr C, of the epic battles between you and Markbo. A one month suspension each and mutual apologies required as I recall.
(...uh, aren't we still waiting for yours?) 
Sun, 2009-03-01 17:52
#36
People on here couldn't believe Americans were that insular, narrow-minded and deeply racist when they could express themselves anonymously without fear of oppobrium.
Fast-forward to 2008 when all that ugliness got put on full display when Sarah Palin purposely dog-whistled with coded phrases and John McCain had to put out the metaphorical brush fires.
Maybe I actuially do know what I'm talking about sometimes when I discuss the USA.
Yes, I have a long memory, and yes, I'm a little narked off about it right now.
Sun, 2009-03-01 22:43
#37
Last night "The Spaceman" accused Obama of using black magic to do whatever it is Obama's doing. Apparently Obama is a Devil-worshipper (Luciferian), which is all part of that Illuminati jazz.
People who slag the CBC really ought to tune into a Corus radio station once in a while.