U.N. and Red Cross condemn Israeli murder of 30 civilians

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Fri, 2009-01-09 11:23

Unionist

Sorry folks, this one needs its own thread.

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The United Nations has said it has received reports that about 30 Palestinians were killed when Israeli forces shelled a house after they had moved about 110 civilians inside it.

"According to several testimonies, on 4 January Israeli foot soldiers evacuated approximately 110 Palestinians into a single-residence house in Zeitun, warning them to stay indoors," the UN report said on Friday.

"Twenty-four hours later, Israeli forces shelled the home repeatedly, killing approximately 30."

The incident took place on Monday in the Zeitun neighbourhood of Gaza City on Monday, the report said.

The UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) called it [b]"one of the gravest incidents since the beginning of operations"[/b] by Israeli forces in Gaza on December 27. ...

Emergency workers from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and the Palestinian Red Crescent said [b]they were not able to reach the wounded for four days because Israel would not allow them safe passage[/b].

They said the children were starving when rescuers finally reached them after the "unacceptable" delay. ...

Pierre Wettach, the ICRC chief for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, said: [b]"The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded."[/b]

Fri, 2009-01-09 11:39

ElizaQ

Do you have the link?

Fri, 2009-01-09 11:46

Le T

Whose article?

Fri, 2009-01-09 11:52

pogge

Here's a [url=http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200919135323309745.... to the [i]Al Jazeera[/i] story.

Here's [url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5482850.e... Online[/b][/url] with a pretty succinct lead paragraph.

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The United Nations has accused Israel of evacuating scores of Palestinians
into a house in the suburbs of Gaza City, only to shell the property 24
hours later, killing some 30 people.

Fri, 2009-01-09 12:18

remind

unfuckingbelievable, and yet the pro_Israelis apologists have the nerve to come here and tout "poor Israel, bad Hamas"!

I am sickened to my core, and I have perhaps never felt this sickened!

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Fri, 2009-01-09 12:27

Objective Observer

Michael Ignatieff is down with it. His communication skills need some polishing.

Ignatieff: Israel has right to defend itself

By The Canadian Press
Fri. Jan 9 - 4:46 AM

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says Israel is justified in taking military action to defend itself against attacks by Hamas from the Gaza Strip.

"Canada has to support the right of a democratic country to defend itself," he told reporters in Halifax on Thursday after speaking to a forum of business leaders on the economy.

"Israel has been attacked from Gaza, not just last year, but for almost 10 years. They evacuated from Gaza so there is no occupation in Gaza.

"Hamas is a terrorist organization and Canada can’t touch Hamas with a 10-foot pole," he said. "Hamas is to blame for organizing and instigating these rocket attacks and then for sheltering among civilian populations."

Ignatieff said Canada must do whatever it can to get humanitarian and medical relief into Gaza when there is a ceasefire, but rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas must stop first."

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/1099773.html

Fri, 2009-01-09 12:27

martin dufresne

No such right for Palestinians, apparently.

It's a sick game of who gets to point the finger... and Israel apologists control the media.

Fri, 2009-01-09 13:02

pogge

I'm now not sure which thread I should add this to but I'm going to gamble on this one. When that UN school was shelled it was claimed that there was gunfire coming from it, i.e. that Hamas was using civilians as shields. Today in [url=http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054009.html][i][b]Haaretz[/b][/i][/...

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The United Nations is claiming Israeli military
officers have admitted there was no Palestinian gunfire emanating from
inside an UNRWA school in Gaza which was shelled by an IDF tank.

Dozens of Palestinians were killed in the shelling.

Fri, 2009-01-09 13:40

Realigned

Remind you find EVERYTHING 'unfuckingbelieveable!' =)

The UN needs to do more than condem shit.

Is that suposed to make anyone feel better? The UN condeming something?

I bet that really made Israel worry.

Fri, 2009-01-09 13:57

#10

Boom Boom

Message to Iggy: go crawl back under the rock you emerged from, you worthless piece of shit.

Fri, 2009-01-09 14:00

#11

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

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When that UN school was shelled it was claimed that there was gunfire coming from it, i.e. that Hamas was using civilians as shields.

Yes, Israel and it's apologists, hat tip to you OO, always make that claim. Yet, Amnetsy International has accused Israel of using human shields:

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Israeli troops had forced Palestinian civilians to stay in their homes after taking them over as sniper positions or bases, it said quoting sources in Gaza.

"This increases risk to families and means they are effectively being used as human shields," the group said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7818122.stm

Also, a Palestinian captured and abused by Israelis makes the same claim:

[/quote] "They used us as human shields in military positions they established inside Gaza Strip before they drove us to a prison in Beersheba," he said. "They made us sleep on gravel, or on the sand. They stripped us of our clothes." [/quote]

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-37367020090109?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

As usual, Israel is the demon of which it accuses its enemies.

Fri, 2009-01-09 14:34

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Objective Observer

FM, read this part from Iggy's remarks:

"Hamas is to blame for organizing and instigating these rocket attacks and then for sheltering among civilian populations."

According to the Leader of the Official Opposition, and the head of the NDP/BQ/Lib Coalition, Hamas is using human shields. What do you say to that? And if the head of the coalition is saying this and Jack Layton doesn't contradict him, does that imply NDP support for Iggy's claim?

Fri, 2009-01-09 14:54

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pogge

Objective Observer wrote:

FM, read this part from Iggy's remarks:

"Hamas is to blame for organizing and instigating these rocket attacks and then for sheltering among civilian populations."

According to the Leader of the Official Opposition, and the head of the NDP/BQ/Lib Coalition, Hamas is using human shields. What do you say to that? And if the head of the coalition is saying this and Jack Layton doesn't contradict him, does that imply NDP support for Iggy's claim?

I saw this post when it first went up and it was strictly about Michael Ignatieff as leader of the Liberals and the opposition. Then I came back to see it had been rewritten. I guess you figured it would be more provocative if you could work Jack Layton into it but without an actual quote to work with you had to resort to a hypothetical: "if ... Jack Layon doesn't contradict him."

Is there a time limit on that? Is there any particular place where Layton has to get his opinion quoted? Anything in particular he has to say to satisfy whatever game you're playing?

This thread isn't about Iggie or Layton, it's about charges made against Israel by the UN and the Red Cross. And you're apparently so desperate to change the subject that you're resorting to trying to provoke people over things that haven't happened yet.

Fri, 2009-01-09 18:22

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Unionist

Interesting how these trolls work in tandem to disrupt every discussion. I really must ask babblers not to get sucked in by such transparent tactics. Thanks for your comment to that effect, pogge.

How can we use this particular war crime to generate public awareness of Israeli war crimes? The fact that we need to quote Al Jazeera and U.K. media shows how far gone our MSM are.

Fri, 2009-01-09 18:38

#15

Hoodeet

Check out Naomi Klein's latest article, on the need for boycott and divestment, on commondreams.org.

Good to have a strong and credible advocate from the activist Jewish community. Let's hope it inspires more Jews to protest and especially to confront from within the dysfunctional institutions being held ideologically hostage by right-wing extremists (religious congregations, charities, etc., including that most egregious vehicle, Israel Bond campaigns). It's a tougher task, certainly, than going to demos with like-minded people and venting online (like me; I get the irony).

War crimes are war crimes are war crimes. Lock-step zionists need to acknowledge this and act now.

Sat, 2009-01-10 02:21

#16

Sephardi

Well if the Great Ig is all that, he must be right! Not.

This is not a war, OO, it's a massacre.

And even Jack Layton is a fraud:

"Since 2001 Accenture and Election.com have been strategic partners "to jointly deliver comprehensive election solutions to governments worldwide," according to their press release. Last month Accenture bought the public-sector election assets of Election.com, which suffered its own scandal this year when it was discovered that Osan Ltd, a firm of Saudi and other foreign investors, bought controlling interest in it. According to Mark Harrington of NewsDay.com, "Several shareholders of the company said they were surprised by the recent buyout and have asked for securities regulators to investigate."

Election.com has had other problems. In January 2003, during Canada's New Democratic Party leadership convention, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported, “Earl Hurd of Election.com said he believes someone used a "denial of service" program to disrupt the voting – paralyzing the central computer by bombarding it with a stream of data”…service was restored, then… "Toronto city councilor Jack Layton's victory on the first ballot surprised many, who had expected a second or even third round of voting before a leader was chosen from the pack of six candidates."

For election security experts, a strong and growing suspicion is that computer glitches or disruptions are actually vote rigging. A surprise election result should raise a red flag."

Source: http://thelandesreport.com/SERVEaccenture.htm

Sat, 2009-01-10 03:28

#17

remind

Unionist wrote:
Interesting how these trolls work in tandem to disrupt every discussion. I really must ask babblers not to get sucked in by such transparent tactics. Thanks for your comment to that effect, pogge.
How can we use this particular war crime to generate public awareness of Israeli war crimes? The fact that we need to quote Al Jazeera and U.K. media shows how far gone our MSM are.

It is interesting, and one wonders just how psychopathic these people are who come here ti try and shift the sands?

The pro-Israeli lobby are working overtime, on tonight's CBC National they had the audacity to show where an alleged Hamas rocket put shallow pit holes in the pavement of a road, in order to justify Israeli actions in destroying Gazan's home and infrastructure, say nothing of their lives.

Amazing that they thought they could use 2007 footage to justify their current actions as well.

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Sat, 2009-01-10 03:29

#18

remind

Realigned piss off with your gratuious personal attack against me in this thread!

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Sat, 2009-01-10 07:09

#19

Michelle

I totally understand that the atrocities that Israel is committing in Gaza are infuriating. But I feel like we can't start a new thread every time they do something terrible during this, or else we'll be having a bunch of threads at the same time, all arguing the exact same thing.

Let's stick to one thread to discuss reports of violence and fighting and bombing happening in Gaza. If people want to start a thread primarily about Canada's political responses or implications then I suppose that would warrant a separate thread. I notice there's a thread that's specifically about Obama and what his response is, because the focus is on the US administration's foreign policy. That's fine. But let's not start a new thread every time Israel does something awful. They do something awful every other day during this mass slaughter.

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