Bowing Down to the Taliban

Mon, 2009-03-02 01:19

Ken Burch

Reagan's election wasn't historic, and didn't represent a symbolic defeat of a people's historic oppression, so if course it wasn't going to be emotionally moving in the same way as Obama's was. Still, Reagan did have a lot of asskissing idolators in his day.

Obama was welcomed with enthusiasm by people simply because, unlike his predecessor, he wasn't psychotic and arrogant. The fact that he speaks in complete sentences probably also had something to do with it.

The "Obamessiah" meme is worn out and bogus.

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Mon, 2009-03-02 01:25

#53

Sven

Ken Burch wrote:

The fact that he speaks in complete sentences probably also had something to do with it.

Yeah, when I hear people speak in complete sentences, I break out crying and start singing Kumbaya.

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Mon, 2009-03-02 16:10

#54

remind

Now I will tell you just to fuck off.

Mon, 2009-03-02 16:25

#55

Fidel

Kindrid wrote:

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We dishonored those who died in our last just war(World War II) by rejecting its message of liberation and putting "order" and "property" above all other things.

I don’t the veterans of WW II fought to defeat fascism in order to see the world conquered by a totalitarian ideology that is responsible for more deaths than the Nazis.

I think kindrid means "what we have now" with the new liberal capitalism that never was and is now going away. Predatory capitalism and Murder Inc. is a proven threat to world peace and all life in general.

My father had a grade eight education still after returning from overseas in 1945. He grew up during the depression era. Decades later he told me when I was a boy in the 1970s that the world cant be run monetarily. He said to me that the system has to have heart. What we have today has no heart. Capitalism has no soul.

Mon, 2009-03-02 18:46

#56

Kindrid

Quote:
We dishonored those who died in our last just war(World War II) by rejecting its message of liberation and putting "order" and "property" above all other things.

I don’t think the veterans of WW II fought to defeat fascism in order to see the world conquered by a totalitarian ideology that is responsible for more deaths than the Nazis.

Mon, 2009-03-02 20:28

#57

remind

I doubt it.

Mon, 2009-03-02 20:33

#58

Ken Burch

Kindrid wrote:

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We dishonored those who died in our last just war(World War II) by rejecting its message of liberation and putting "order" and "property" above all other things.

I don’t think the veterans of WW II fought to defeat fascism in order to see the world conquered by a totalitarian ideology that is responsible for more deaths than the Nazis.

The only reason that "totaitarianism" gained the strength it did was that the U.S.always supported the rich in the postwar dynamic (granted, the U.S. had done that before the war,but with fewer guns and fewer troops) thus forcing the developing world to align itself, at least tactically, with the USSR or China to have any chance of winning a liberation struggle.

What were the world's poor supposed to do, continue to live under exploitation and in total immiseration just to prove their good faith to the cause of "freedom".

When it comes to actual freedom, the right to own property is meaningless. So is the right to get rich. True freedom means being able to feed your kids, get them educated, get healthcare for them and you, and not to have to fear the police in the night. The U.S. forced the world's poor to give up that last freedom for a chance at the others. For this, my country should be eternally ashamed.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________ Our Demands Most Moderate are/ We Only Want The World! -James Connolly

Mon, 2009-03-02 20:52

#59

Kindrid

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The U.S. forced the world's poor to give up that last freedom for a chance at the others

The US did no such thing. The list of nations that became successful and had good relations with the US is rather long. Did some mysterious US leader throw darts at the map of the world in order to pick which nations become success stories and other failures? How lucky for South Korea that a dart just happened to hit the Indiana sized nation. What a lucky shot for Singapore. What are the odds in hitting a nation the size of a period on the world map? It is funny how the darts hit every nation in Western Europe and missed Africa completely.

It is interest of the US to have all nations in the world develop economically. Canada is America’s largest trading partner not some poor underdeveloped nation. If you are a business it is better to have rich customers than poorer ones.

Mon, 2009-03-02 20:57

#60

remind

That is utter bull shit!

Mon, 2009-03-02 22:33

#61

Fidel

Kindrid wrote:
It is interest of the US to have all nations in the world develop economically.

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Canada is America’s largest trading partner not some poor underdeveloped nation. If you are a business it is better to have rich customers than poorer ones.

Canada has everything it needs to be a self-sustaining economy, including oil, gas and massive amounts of hydro-electric power being siphoned off to the USSA 24-7. Otoh, Canadians could survive without their plastic widgets, Hallmark greeting cards, and crappy over-priced cars.

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