super thermite found in 9/11 dust from WTC towers: Part 3

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Sat, 2009-05-02 17:36

Unionist

So, Fidel, with 50,000 dead Amerikans, you think the U.S. could have beat the Vietnamese people if they really really wanted to?

And I still didn't hear your comment about Professor Emeritus Reynolds' view that 19 "Arabs" couldn't have pulled off the WTC attacks.

See, here's what I think:

1. The Vietnamese people beat the shit out of the U.S. Whether they built a paradise on earth after or not, is quite a separate issue. They militarily, politically, ideologically wiped out the mighty beast.

2. It would appear that a group of fanatical suiciders hijacked four aircraft and attacked some buildings on Sept. 11, 2001, in a pretty minor-league kind of attack, which Amerika was too incompetent, too ignorant, and too ill-prepared to see coming, let alone stop.

3. I think there's a real live insurgency by real live Afghan people in Afghanistan - [b]not financed by Amerika[/b] - which one of these days soon will wipe the U.S., Kanada, and NATO's coalesced butt, along with their puppets.

And, of course, I appreciate your contrary view that the U.S. and its allies are really behind all these seeming defeats of the U.S. and its allies. I just don't think your view stands up to any kind of historical or scientific logic. I think it's a view based on excessive respect for the invincibility of the United States.

Sat, 2009-05-02 18:05

#103

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

1. The Vietnamese people beat the shit out of the U.S. Whether they built a paradise on earth after or not, is quite a separate issue. They militarily, politically, ideologically wiped out the mighty beast.

John Pilger was one of the last to be airlifted out of Vietnam at the end. He returned to VietNam and Cambodia in the years after and reported on the struggles to reclaim poisoned and bombed out farmland, the years of hardship by international trade embargos similar to the genocidal trade sanctions against Cubans, and so on. The immoral war didnt end with the doctor and the madman exiting stage right. They were trying to murder an idea and haven't given up on that cause to this day.

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2. It would appear that a group of fanatical suiciders hijacked four aircraft and attacked some buildings on Sept. 11, 2001, in a pretty minor-league kind of attack, which Amerika was too incompetent, too ignorant, and too ill-prepared to see coming, let alone stop

After having read several articles on the deliberate ignorance of the warnings that came from the CIA, Mossad, the Russians, and then several international intel agencies except Pakistan's , the "Able Danger" warnings several months and then weeks in advance of 9/11, I can't believe what youre saying is true.

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3. I think there's a real live insurgency by real live Afghan people in Afghanistan - [b]not financed by Amerika[/b] - which one of these days soon will wipe the U.S., Kanada, and NATO's coalesced butt, along with their puppets.

What do you make of Malalai Joya telling the world in 2007 that Afghan reports mentioned that Karzai's people were selling weapons to the Taliban? Is Karzai in need of a phony enemy to emphasize his self-importance to the empire? Or is it the empire needs a phony excuse for the occupation?

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And, of course, I appreciate your contrary view that the U.S. and its allies are really behind all these seeming defeats of the U.S. and its allies. I just don't think your view stands up to any kind of historical or scientific logic. I think it's a view based on excessive respect for the invincibility of the United States

I did reasonably well in college courses for discrete math and digital logic. And I think you should realize that there are academics and proefessional people who are well versed in logic as part of their job descriptions with really stiff questions for the official obfuscators and non-truthers alike

Sat, 2009-05-02 18:10

#104

ReeferMadness

I think there were a lot of damned odd things that occurred on September 11 but that doesn't necessarily equate to a government-wide conspiracy. Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary proof and I haven't seen it yet.

The problem with launching another investigation is twofold: 1) where would you find an unbiased investigation team? 2) most of the physical evidence is long gone.

I understand that FEMA got rid of all of the debris as fast as they could. Was there ever any explanation as to why the physical evidence seemed to be disposed of so rapidly?

Sat, 2009-05-02 18:18

#105

Buddy Kat

Stanley10 wrote:

Are you saying that the natural gas came over the border from Canada?

No... I'm saying a building like the world trade center probably used natural gas (89% methane) to heat it. Just like majority of dwellings and buildings in north america or should I say the colder parts of north america. There were reports of high whistling sounds in the world trade center that could have been ruptured lines etc.

Maybe they even strored natural gas under the place for all I know.

What is for certain is there is a product that can burn steel and melt it readily available in the building ..all it would need is a rupture and ignition source.......

A lttle gas goes a long way in the world of thermbarrics ...gas and other petroleum based products are used intensively in the military world..think FAE (fuel air explsives) the type of bombs used by f18's, stealth bombers etc . that you see lighting up the sky and causing intensive damage leaving you in a state of shock and awe. They all mostly work on the same principle of dipersing a flammable gas or agent till it reachs it's proper fuel air mixture level and the ignited to create massive high heat explosions that melt steel. If you really want to see one in action do a search on the net for "daisy cutter"...they used them to clear heavily wooded areas to create entire airprts and runways for b52's during the vietnam war. Knocks and levels massive areas with a single sweep. Don't underestimate the power of fuel and air.

If you study so called natural gas you will learn plenty about it's toxic compounds like carbon monoxide ie: nazi gas...odorless colorless and tasteless...but an exposure leads to permenent brain damage..if it doesn't kill you.It would be the deal gas to use in the world trade center as any survivors would be permanently brain damaged if they enhaled the combusted product of the methane rupture. Hence making a case impossible.

I should also note if they did store there own gas perhaps that day the powers that be didn't add the odor agent (mercaptan) making a leak undetectable by odor. Natural gas without that agent would be odorless colorless and tasteless. However in high concentrations(99%) is termed sweet gas as some detect a sweet smell. This is the darling product of the gas world that they ship thru pipelines and store for sale etc.etc. etc.

Natural gas disasters , leaks , are usually heavily covered up and the industry pretty well has the upper hand regarding the media and emergency services. They usually start off by minimizing the problems and then slowly baffle the public with bullshit. See it all the time, almost weekly...it's almost developed a sports like status to me. How gullible the public is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkM5eyN8ytI&feature=user

Sat, 2009-05-02 18:28

#106

Fidel

ReeferMadness wrote:

I think there were a lot of damned odd things that occurred on September 11 but that doesn't necessarily equate to a government-wide conspiracy. Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary proof and I haven't seen it yet.

9/11 is very different from the JFK assassination(and there were 2 or 3 official investigations for that one) in that there are people who were intimatelu involved in the official 9/11 investigation and sub-investigations saying there were coverups of information and crucial evidence withheld. Dont look to me, but you should dig a little deeper and find out who is demanding answers, and who the whistleblowers are.

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1) where would you find an unbiased investigation team?

Start with, not a hand-picked team of panelists from the two guilty as hell parties of warmongering plutocrats: bypassing both Republicans and Democrats

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2) most of the physical evidence is long gone.

What about the dust samples taken from ground zero and people's window sills in the neighborhood and used by the Danish scientists to find unreacted thermite particles?

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I understand that FEMA got rid of all of the debris as fast as they could. Was there ever any explanation as to why the physical evidence seemed to be disposed of so rapidly?

You have a valid question there but no recourse for a legit and transparent investigation with people held accountable, it seems. The Bushies in fact insisted that none of them could be held accountable for anything before agreeing to the first Warren Commission-style coverup of an investigation of 9/11

Sat, 2009-05-02 18:47

#107

al-Qa'bong

Sometimes the answer's too obvious...

Sat, 2009-05-02 18:55

#108

Stanley10

Thanks for clearing that up. We've had quite a few false accusations made about the border and 911 lately.

I suppose that I can envision a small gas pipe going to the resturaunt on the top floor but isn't the heating plant in the basement?I can't see a lot of gas pooling in that case and I can't imagine building those towers without a low pressure cut off- there must have been a 10 inch supply pipe to each tower. Personally, I still think it was an 'outside job' but who knows.

Sat, 2009-05-02 20:18

#109

Fidel

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Nobody expects the Spanish inquis... oh, bugger!

Sat, 2009-05-02 22:58

#110

Michelle

Long thread.

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