The Afghan people will win - part 5

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Sat, 2009-05-02 17:28

Unionist

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8028237.stm][color=purple][u]Insurgents kill five ISAF soldiers[/u][/color][/url]

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Five coalition soldiers have been killed in an insurgent attack in eastern Afghanistan, Nato has said.

One was American and four were from the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force, Nato said. Reports suggest two of those four were Latvian.

They were killed in fighting that "included small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenade strikes", Nato said.

Ouch. Time to leave maybe.

Sat, 2009-05-02 20:04

Fidel

[url=http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/41823]Rethink Afghanistan - Cost of War[/url]

Take a wild guess as to who's winning in Iraq and Afghanistan. Corporate jackals and corrupt politicians are laughing their heads off, all the way to the bank. Iraq and Afghanistan are like reruns of the same murder mystery. They feature recurring themes of war and age old profit motive spanning several countries destabilized, infrastructure destroyed, and millions of prospective serfs demoralized by amoral warfiteering and "great game" imperialism

Sun, 2009-05-03 20:17

Unionist

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/03/afghanistan-un-karzai-taliba... UN chief urges Taliban to contest presidential poll[/u][/color][/url]

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The top UN official in Afghanistan today called for the Taliban to participate in the August presidential election as a way to kick-start a peace process with the militants who are fighting to overthrow the western-backed government in Kabul.

Kai Eide, the head of the UN mission in Afghanistan, said the militants should participate in a campaign that formally starts on Thursday and which [b]looks increasingly likely to be won by Hamid Karzai, the hugely unpopular incumbent[/b].

"Call it reconciliation, or the peace process, whatever you want, but I believe that the opposition should know that those who want to take part in the election and respect the constitution should have an option to do that," Eide said.

Sun, 2009-05-03 20:22

Jingles

Ah yes, western democracy. Vote for the people for whom we allow you to vote. Or else.

In a true democracy, voting would be abolished.

Tue, 2009-05-05 22:09

Unionist

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090505.wafghan05/BN... of civilians killed in coalition bombing[/color][/url]

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Bombing runs by U.S.-led coalition jets killed dozens of civilians taking shelter from a fierce ground battle between Taliban militants and Afghan and international forces, two Afghan officials said today.

The US confirmed fighting yesterday in western Afghanistan and said reports of civilian deaths were under investigation.

One Afghan official said angry and mournful villagers transported an estimated 30 bodies to a provincial capital to show officials. Other officials estimated the civilian toll at between 70 and 100.

Wed, 2009-05-06 15:44

Unionist

[url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hvWEqwq3CrRvaQCmt21Mfo... Cross says dozens of Afghans killed in U.S. raid; Hillary Clinton "deeply, deeply regrets"[/u][/color][/url]

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Mohammad Nieem Qadderdan, a former district chief of Bala Buluk who visited the site of this week's battle, said [b]100 to 120 people were killed[/b]. If 100 civilians died in the fight, it would be deadliest case of civilian casualties since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion.

"People are still looking through the rubble," Qadderdan said. "We need more people to help us. Many families left the villages, fearing other strikes."

Provincial authorities have told villagers not to bury the bodies, but instead to line them up for the officials conducting the investigation, Qadderdan said.

The puppet officials will let the bodies rot until the coverup is complete.

Wed, 2009-05-06 18:16

thanks

that's two heavy transport flights overhead, from Trenton down the lake, in the last 20 minutes. and a whole bunch more went in this morning. this has been going on far too much. sometimes they come down or go back up to North Bay, i guess that's where we do handoffs with the US military. i don't like any of this one bit. and they/we're bombing up the Afghan civilians. disgusting.

anyway, just had to visit and say that. have to go out again to the black flies now. rain tomorrow. have to get the seeding done. you know, 'plant hay while the sun shines'.

Thu, 2009-05-07 16:00

Fidel

[url=http://www.newsocialist.org/index.php?id=1868]Neither occupation nor the Taliban: RAWA[/url]

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Many argue today that the 2001 invasion was planned before 9/11, but it gave the war-mongers in the White House and Pentagon a golden opportunity to advance its agenda in the region. In the words of Tony Blair "to be truthful about it, there was no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September 11..."

fGetting hold of the multi-billions drug business was another reason for invading Afghanistan and in the past few years we clearly see that the US and its allies changed Afghanistan into the opium capital of the world. Opium production increased more than 4400%, with 93% of world illegal opium produced in Afghanistan. Narcotics is said to be the third greatest trade commodity in cash terms after oil and weapons. There are large financial institutions behind this business and the control of the routes of narcotics was important for the US government and now they have reached their goal. . .

So now it is an open secret that the US is not interested in fighting terrorists. In fact no one can believe that a superpower is really incapable of defeating a small, medieval-minded and ignorant force such as the Taliban. Actually the US government needs an excuse to stay in Afghanistan for longer, so the presence of the Taliban and other terrorist groups give them an excuse for the Tom and Jerry game to continue for years - the UK have already announced that it will stay in Afghanistan for over three decades.

There are even some suspicions that the foreign troops provide some supplies and arms to the Taliban. Last March the Afghan media and local authorities in Arghandab district of Zabul province reported that NATO helicopters dropped three large containers full of supplies and ammunitions to a Taliban commander. In another move, a Taliban criminal commander named Mullah Abdul Salam, responsible for a massacre in 1998, was appointed as the governor of Musa Qala district in the Helmand province, the world's largest opium poppy growing region.

A few months ago, an infamous terrorist from Gubuddin Hekmatyar's party called Ghairat Baheer was released from the US prison at Bagram airbase. Recently media reports uncovered that he is engaged in secret talks to pave the way for a sharing of power with Hekmatyar who is on the US's terrorist list. According to information revealed to Al Jazeera, Hekmatyar would be offered asylum in Saudi Arabia, after which he would be allowed to return to Afghanistan with immunity from prosecution.

It's a phony war.

Thu, 2009-05-07 16:06

Unionist

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In fact no one can believe that a superpower is really incapable of defeating a small, medieval-minded and ignorant force such as the Taliban.

Well done, Fidel, you've found someone who agrees with your "U.S. controls everything and is omnipotent and is fighting with one hand tied behind its back" theory! Seek and ye shall find, I always say.

Thu, 2009-05-07 16:28

#10

Fidel

Ya, what would Afghan women know about what's going on in their own country anway? They should want some clued-up white men from several thousand kilometres away to tell them the way it is for them, imo.

Thu, 2009-05-07 16:43

#11

Unionist

That particular comment of hers is as off-base as possible. It identifies the entire insurgency with the Taliban (just as the U.S. and its allies tend to do). It presumes a conspiracy of earth-shattering proportions (I think you may be familiar with what I'm talking about) whereby the armed forces of numerous invading countries are actually pretending to fight against their own proxies, the Taliban; deliberately losing ground to them; allowing their own troops to be killed by the thousands; massacring civilians not to try to gain ground militarily but just to "destabilize" the situation in order to provide a pretext for their presence (or the U.S. presence, or whatever - it gets awfully murky here); and are now preparing a massive troop surge in an effort to win a war which in fact is already won because they control not only their own troops but the "enemy" as well, how very nice and convenient and well-packaged.

All that's missing is the nano-thermite...

If this analysis is the best that this one individual from RAWA can offer, then they're going to have a serious problem, whether the insurgency wins or loses. But I guess they already had a serious problem for the last few decades, huh? Invaders or feudalists - what a choice. Well, on that point, I'm afraid it's their choice. I hope beyond hope that they can find their "third way", but if their starting point is an "analysis" that says that the insurgents are all CIA agents or something, then hope alone won't work.

ETA: Sorry, in my enthusiasm for this person's analysis, I forgot to ask my main question:

[b][i]If the Taliban were working for the U.S., why did they have to go invade and overthrow them???[/i][/b]

Stay tuned.

Thu, 2009-05-07 17:41

#12

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

That particular comment of hers is as off-base as possible. It identifies the entire insurgency with the Taliban (just as the U.S. and its allies tend to do). It presumes a conspiracy of earth-shattering proportions (I think you may be familiar with what I'm talking about) whereby the armed forces of numerous invading countries are actually pretending to fight against their own proxies, the Taliban; deliberately losing ground to them; allowing their own troops to be killed by the thousands; ...

I would submit that no one has to control the minds of the insurgents themselves, just a few Taliban commanders and even "al Qa'eda" through the CIA's deep state involvement with Pakistan's army intelligence. This is not my view alone, however. There was a CBC news report from Kandahar province in 2006 that made brief mention of how the locals were fearful that the American CIA and Pakistan were aiding and abetting the Taliban even then.

And I think the recent US-Obama admin's fearmongering that Pakistan's 550,000 man army, which is famous for having stood off the Indian army collossus in 1999, could conceivably abdicate control of their own country to approximately 10,000 Taliban fighters lies somewhere between unbelievable and the absurd.

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All that's missing is the nano-thermite...

What's 9/11 got to do with anything? 9/11's over and done with and already a rock-steady pretext for waging phony global war on terror. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin and 58, 000 dead US troops later? Is it possible that a US Liberal democrat in the White House lied his head off about something which never happened before sending 58, 000 Americans to their deaths for the sake of a few bucks, a bit of cutter, and years of multi-billion dollar warfiteering for thousands of US military contractors?

You may even ask what in Jeebus' name would the monumental lies and warfiteering of the 1960's and 70's have to do with the colossal lies and warfiteering of the 2000's? In fact, I cant figure it out either. Except for the trillion dollar taxpayer funded warfiteering in not one but THREE countries this time, I can't seem to connect the dots either and am at total loss for both imagination and sneaking suspicion as to why the CIA would lie to Dick Cheney and dubya in order to drag those two upstanding shareholders in major miliary-industrial stock into a costly war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Pakistan!!! It boggles the mind, like what motive to check off first in an Agatha Christie murder mystery.

But if we know one thing for sure, it's that the confessions teased from the mouths of Al and his Qa'eda buddies at Gitmo seem to suggest that the American inquisitors are on to something big! And it looks like, as Unionist and the CIA have suggested all along, that CIA-ISI Islamic Gladios were betrayed this time by a few rotten apples, like triple agent Ali Mohamed and a few more of Al's Qaeda specialists in terrorism and who the CIA protected from the law and now nobody knows where they are and are the neodesaparecidos of CIA-ISI collaboration on 9/11. But thanks for introducing some doubt into the guvmint's official 9/11 theory, jts

Unionist wrote:

If the Taliban were working for the U.S., why did they have to go invade and overthrow them???

The lowly women of Afghanistan do make mention of this in their statement:

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"the US government needs an excuse to stay in Afghanistan for longer, so the presence of the Taliban and other terrorist groups give them an excuse for the Tom and Jerry game to continue for years -- the UK have already announced that it will stay in Afghanistan for over three decades" - RAWA

Where do Afghan women get such ideas? Pro-USSA and GWOT news reports?

Malala Joya had the nerve to say, in 2007,:

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NOW: Do you believe that the NATO troops in Afghanistan are helping to improve security?

[url=http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/309/joya_interview.html]Malalai Joya:[/url]
"The U.S. is not concerned with the main cause behind terrorism in Afghanistan. That is why our people don't consider the U.S. as the "liberator" of our country. Even they have killed thousands of our innocent civilians during its so-called "war on terror" and continue to target civilians.

Apparently the U.S. troops are here to fight the Taliban but on the other hand they are fully supporting the Northern Alliance commanders, who, according to recent reports, are the main sellers of weapons and ammunitions to the Taliban and have made life terrible for people in the north of Afghanistan."

It must be obvious to "Al and Qa'eda dunnit by their two-some" conspiracy theorists that the dark side has infiltrated women's groups and CIA-Saudi funded madrassas in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Thu, 2009-05-07 19:33

#13

Unionist

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8037576.stm][color=red][b][u]"Death to America, death to the invaders!"[/u][/b][/color][/url]

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Hundreds of people have taken to the streets in Farah in western Afghanistan in protest at the deaths of civilians in US air strikes earlier this week.

Shots were fired into the air and stones were thrown at government buildings. A number of people are reported to have been injured.

Witnesses said the crowd chanted "death to America, death to the invaders", and demanded US forces leave Afghanistan.

Thu, 2009-05-07 19:58

#14

Fidel

And if the CIA-ISI supported Taliban keep up the pressure, the US will have no alternative but to remove Zardari and install yet another military dictatorship in Pakistan in maneuvering toward political and military control of an oil-rich basin in Central Asia.

Sat, 2009-05-09 07:55

#15

Unionist

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Villagers in a Taliban-controlled area west of Kandahar City are applauding last week's drawback of Canadian and Afghan troops, saying the presence of coalition forces in their communities had only complicated their lives.

"Canadian and Afghan soldiers did not bring peace into the area where we are living," said a landowner in Mushan village, western Panjwaii district.

A Canadian-built strong point in Mushan was dismantled during a complex, well-executed coalition operation that ended April 30. The strong point's 64 Afghan National Army soldiers and eight Canadian military mentors were redeployed closer to Kandahar City.

Even though insurgents in western Panjwaii are now "walking around freely and with rifles, [residents] are more relaxed than when the fort was here," the man added.

[url=http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1578387][color=red]Source...

Sat, 2009-05-09 11:31

#16

Loretta

Action Alert: Stop CF-18 warplanes from being deployed to Afghanistan

Sat, 2009-05-09 11:43

#17

Unionist

Yeah, I got an email about this campaign earlier. With all due respect to Steven Staples, this looks odd. The talk about sending CF-18s dates back to 2006 and early 2007, with the sole exception of [url=http://www.canada.com/news/Allies+quietly+urging+Canada+deploy+Afghanist... interview with Maj.-Gen. Duff Sullivan[/color][/url] where he says he has been asked about CF-18s but hasn't commented. So when Staples claims the "military is engaging in a lobbying campaign", it must be so secret that not one military person is willing to go public and say this is a good idea.

In short, I would have a really hard time asking people to write to Stephen Harper asking him not to deploy CF-18s based on these non-stories. If I write to him at all, it will be to remind him that it's time to pull our troops out of Afghanistan.

Sat, 2009-05-09 11:51

#18

Loretta

I wondered about that, too, yet information from ceasefire.ca has been reliable so I will be watchful on this score.

Sat, 2009-05-09 21:42

#19

Unionist

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8041768.stm][color=red]Murderers disagree on number of victims[/color][/url]

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Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said the US air strikes definitely caused more than 100 civilian deaths.

But the US military earlier described such figures as a gross exaggeration.[...]

"The joint investigation team confirms that a number of civilians were killed in the course of the fighting..." the investigators said.

But they had been "unable to determine with certainty which of those casualties were Taleban fighters and which were non-combatants because those killed are all buried".

"Reports also indicate that Taleban fighters deliberately forced villagers into houses from which they then attacked [Afghan] and coalition forces," the investigators' statement added.

They all are Taleban.

Sat, 2009-05-09 21:47

#20

Fidel

Taleban, the unseen enemy. Sounds like they need some black pygamas so the good guys can tell them from the villagers.

Sat, 2009-05-09 23:35

#21

Jingles

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A Canadian-built strong point in Mushan was dismantled during a complex, well-executed coalition operation that ended April 30. The strong point's 64 Afghan National Army soldiers and eight Canadian military mentors were redeployed closer to Kandahar City.

Oh my my. That is fucking hilarious. A "strategic withdrawal", better known in more honest times as "retreat".

A complex, well-executed coalition retreat, sneaking off in the middle of the night.

The resistance walks around openly under the evacuated Crusader fort, and the media calls it a victory.

Well done, Canadian media: completely and utterly clueless. Blinded by jingoism and stupidity, they can't even see the irony in their own reporting.

Sat, 2009-05-09 23:48

#22

Fidel

[url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6256675.e... in move to share power with warlord wanted by US[/url]

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ONE of Afghanistan's most wanted terrorists is to be offered a power-sharing deal by the government of President Hamid Karzai as the country's warlords extend their grip on power.

Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who is on America's "most wanted" terrorist list, is to hold talks with the Kabul government within the next few weeks. . .

In the 1980s Hekmatyar was a leading recipient of US aid for those fighting the Soviet army, but he always preached anti-Americanism.

Everything old is new again

Sun, 2009-05-10 18:03

#23

Wilf Day

MPs urge to 'legalise' foreign forces presence

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The deadly air strike in Farah provoked Afghan Parliament to demand 'legalisation' of NATO and US troops in Afghanistan.

Speaker of Lower House of the Parliament, Mohammad Younus Qanoni warned the Afghan government to submit the 'legalisation plan' of foreign military presence within a week to the parliament. Speaker Qanoni urged a delegation of MPs 'must talk' to the US officials regarding the mounting civilian casualties, mostly occurred in the US-led air strikes. More than one civilians were killed in the US bombardment in Bala-Buluk district of the western Farah province.

Wed, 2009-05-13 23:23

#24

Fidel

[url=http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13611]USA and Karzai decree SNTV for Afghan elections[/url]

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Crushing Democracy in Afghanistan - demonstration elections

The elections for President in October 2004 and for the Afghan parliament in September 2005 were deeply flawed. The main concern of Afghan liberals and democrats was the refusal of the U.S. government and Karzai to permit the participation of political parties. In the presidential election, Karzai won 55% of the vote, with strong support among the Pushtun communities, but he failed to win a majority in the areas of strength of the other ethnic groups. He had the support of the democrats who feared the election of one of the Islamist warlords. He was always the lesser evil.

The election for the new parliament was worse. While 34 political parties petitioned the government for an electoral system based on proportional representation, this was rejected. Instead, the U.S. government and President Karzai decreed the Single Non-Transferable Vote (SNTV) system where only individuals could run for office and there would be no party identification or party lists. There were 2,800 candidates. Voter turnout for these elections was much lower, in Kabul only 30%. Voters were confronted by many candidates with no political identification.

The SNTV electoral system proved to be profoundly anti-democratic. As Andrew Reynolds points out, the winning candidates received just 2 million votes or 32% of the total. The losing candidates received 4.5 million votes or around two-thirds of the total.

Afghans are big time losers in the war on democracy.

Thu, 2009-05-14 14:11

#25

Frmrsldr

Hello friends,

here are two pages you might find interesting:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/the-warlords-casting-a-shad...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KD10Ak04.html

Thu, 2009-05-14 14:55

#26

Fidel

Frmrsldr wrote:
Hello friends, here are two pages you might find interesting: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/the-warlords-casting-a-shadow-over-afghanistan-1682660.html

Zardad must consider himself exceptionally unlucky. Other warlords, who were once his comrades in arms, are now part of the political elite in Kabul, prominent members of the government or multimillionaire owners of palatial houses in the capital.

This is a tried and tested formula for imperialism and predatory capitalist systems alike. First and foremost, they need to setup an elite class in the colonial outpost nation. This new "investor class" of capitalists need to be created almost overnight and require both wealth and power to be considered respectable apprenticing capitalists. Marxian primitive wealth accumulation occurs by looting and theft of the national wealth with the aid of the imperial master nation, in this case a narco-kleptocracy consisting of theocratic feudalists is propped up by the west. Crooks and thieves and murdering thieves are deemed to be fit to rule a particular colonial outpost nation by brutality and policies which keep a large portion of the citizenry in grinding poverty and despair.

Fri, 2009-05-15 11:36

#27

thanks

just dropping in here with a little airfield report, it doesn't really follow from Fidel's jargonistic post, but anyway..

I've been out all morning and about 15 min ago this big warplane came up from the lake (flight paths are along and across the lake), and went right over my head with its little lights blinking, then banked and headed back down to the lake, whether to veer to Trenton or go overseas, i don't know.

But it gave me the same eerie feeling i felt during the OAS Windsor protests a number of years ago. some babblers and readers will remember this. There was a moment when we marched past a balcony where participants of the OAS meeting were looking down at the crowd. They weren't very far away. One uniformed and heavily medal-bedecked leader from a US-backed dictatorship gave me such a malevolent stare that i immediately looked down at the pavement and stopped chanting.

That particular dictator I understand has since been ousted by his fed-up population.

I got a sense looking up at the warplane just now that those who dictate its carnage will be ousted too.

I didn't look down this time. Instead a cold anger rose, directed toward the warplane and its backers, 'You will be held accountable'.

Fri, 2009-05-15 14:33

#28

Fidel

No I dont think it does follow. The nuclear-powered vicious empire to the south of us waged war on desperately poor and tiny Central American nations for a number of years during cold war. The Latin American holocaust is real, and the US continues to wage war on democracy in the front line state of Colombia. The notorious School of the Americas remains open for business under the Obama plutocracy. The capitalists' fangs were never fully hidden from view after 1991.

And I cant for the life of me wonder why Judy Rebick would suggest on Steve Paikin's show that Layton and the NDP should take lessons from the Obama election campaign. Obama's political rise and election campaign has been funded by billionaire oligarchs in that country. We the people dont need any more bought and paid-for, warmongering political parties in North America.

Sat, 2009-05-16 11:18

#29

thanks

i wasn't saying the pillage of Central and South America has stopped. the US/Can warplane headed for Afghanistan simply reminded me of other dictators we've propped up, and still do.

but it's important to note that it has happened, and is possible to end forms of tyranny.

the School of the Americas is awful. lots of activist friends have been going down to those protests for years. they got very close in the last couple of years to a decent vote in Congress.

Sat, 2009-05-16 12:39

#30

Unionist

Fidel wrote:

And I cant for the life of me wonder why Judy Rebick would suggest on Steve Paikin's show that Layton and the NDP should take lessons from the Obama election campaign. Obama's political rise and election campaign has been funded by billionaire oligarchs in that country. We the people dont need any more bought and paid-for, warmongering political parties in North America.

I didn't see the interview, Fidel, but if that's what she said, I agree wholeheartedly with your comment.

Sat, 2009-05-16 15:01

#31

Fidel

Well maybe I misunderstood what it was Judy was saying. She certainly didn't mention the fact that Obama's campaign was well funded or who some of the donors were. She did seem to be saying that Jack and the NDP should be trying harder to win. But it sounded to me like Judy thinks the NDP could win if only the party would campaign on a populist message of change.

For me the change message is there already if people were that interested in how the NDP would bring it about. The NDP doesnt have to scare big business and banks with threats of nationalisation. We can have resource nationalism and tax revenue nationalism as per the Nordic social democracies. Canadians and the NDP could pay for the important things easily, and we could pay for it easily at the same time Canadians are creating a competitive economy of the future. I couldnt believe one local businessman I met in my local riding during the last election. The conservative party supporter said to me that our economy is a resource based exporting economy, and that's the way it has to be. My jaw dropped.

Mon, 2009-05-18 09:44

#32

Unionist

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8055247.stm][color=red]Karzai brother survives attack[/color][/url]

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Ahmad Wali Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president, says he has survived an ambush on his convoy in the east.

Mr Karzai, leader of the provincial council in Kandahar, said one of his bodyguards was killed by the attackers, who used rockets and machine-guns. [...]

Meanwhile, authorities in eastern Afghanistan say three civilians have been shot dead in a market by soldiers.

Mon, 2009-05-18 22:29

#33

Unionist

[url=http://www.socialistproject.ca/bullet/bullet218.html][color=blue]Malalai Joya condemns NATO bombings[/color][/url]

Tue, 2009-05-19 22:00

#34

Jingles

I just noticed this on the NDP website from back on March 9:

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New Democrats across Canada are praying for the quick recovery of the four soldiers who were wounded in the explosion.

Maybe they should pray for a backbone. They they can pray that I'll someday vote for those assholes again.

Tue, 2009-05-19 22:09

#35

remind

So you would rather vote for the greedy soul sucking pigs embodied in the Cons, Liberals and Green Party?

Tue, 2009-05-19 22:14

#36

Jingles

Yes. That's what I'm saying. Totally. You got me.

Fer fucccsssaake, enough of the blind partisan loyalty already. The NDP's postition on the Crusade is in no way substantially different from those other branches of the Property party.

Tue, 2009-05-19 22:43

#37

Fidel

Whatever you do, Jingles, dont blame the Liberals for propping up the other wing of the Property Party with over 70 confidence votes since the Harpers were elected with an exaggerated minority

Wed, 2009-05-20 00:15

#38

Unionist

Jingles, don't waste your time. If you criticize the NDP's stand on Afghanistan, you're helping Ignatieff/Harper/E.May/Duceppe win the next election. Isn't that obvious? Shut up already! Who cares what their position is on Afghanistan! Who cares what their position is on anything!! Positions can change!!! Seats and votes are forever!!!!!

Wed, 2009-05-20 03:38

#39

Fidel

Oh I'm sorry. Ahhem! Yes, your's is an accurate statement, Jingles The NDP's stand on pulling the troops out is exactly one and the same position as that of the Whigs n' Tories!! Vicious toadies all!! The NDP only votes against the two old line parties on a consistent basis for the sake of bravado and bluff. They dont really mean it!! We'd all be really sorry if the NDP was ever elected federal government for the first time ever!! An remember Diefenbaker! He was a good lap dog on Due South! An' that's my best Unionist, sorry.

Wed, 2009-05-20 17:55

#40

Jingles

First, we'll calibrate our bullshit detectors:

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Canada’s [url=http://www.ndp.ca/platform/otherpriorities/canada]military[/url] has a proud history, [i]built on the principles of defending human rights and promoting peace[/i].

Now, for the meat:

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Withdraw all Canadian forces from the Afghanistan combat mission, with reasonable advance notice and in consultation with our [url=http://www.ndp.ca/platform/otherpriorities/canada]allies.[/url][/quote]

Wow. What a strong statement, fairly dripping with moral courage, what what? [i] We wanna go home early, but we'll ask our bosses if it's okay first[/i].

Now, we'll throw in a little bloody war...er.. I mean [i]humanitarian intervention[/i] lust:

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Participate in international efforts to bring peace, justice and stability to the Darfur region of Sudan and to the Democratic Republic of Congo.

I guess as long as the people you see through your scope are brown, then the NDP are right behind you!

We'll finish with some sycophantic dribbling about their role model:

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President Obama has made significant shifts in America's Afghanistan policy. A [url=http://www.ndp.ca/press/canadas-next-steps-in-afghanistan]surge[/url] in troop levels will be accompanied by greater emphasis on security and political outcomes. Envoy Richard Holbrooke will be a formidable advocate for diplomatic resolution.

Wed, 2009-05-20 19:21

#41

Fidel

In that case, we might as well vote Liberal or Tory, those Stevenators, neocon wannabes, or the Lieberals and Libranos. Because theyre established liars and crooks and can at least trust them to be lap dogs for the vicious empire as per usual. We just cant trust the NDP based on Jingles' heresay and conjecture

Nobody does it better than the vicious toadies in our two old line parties. [url=http://auto_sol.tao.ca/node/2931]Manley panel gets it wrong: Report on Afghanistan the latest example of Ottawa hiding the truth from Canadians[/url]

Except that Eric Margolis still has red menace on the brain when he bleeted out with:

Quote:

The Karzai regime, which rules only Kabul, would not last a week without western troops. There is no prospect of national political consensus until the Taliban and its allies are brought into the process. The reborn Afghan Communist Party is again a dominant influence in Kabul, including running torture prisons to which Canada had, until recently, been sending captives.

Canada is not being ennobled by this sordid, ugly, drug-fueled war. Its honour and reputation are being injured, its security endangered.

He either forgets or is totally incognizant of the fact that Karzai's stoogeocracy is comprised of mujahideen and other war criminals who fought for Afghanistan's freedom from the evil Soviet communists and their friends in the Marxist PDPA government. That Eric, he's as slippery as a snake's belly in a wagon rut durin' a downpour, just like Michael Manley and the rest of crazy George's vicious lackeys smelling-up Canada's Tory and Whig Parties.

Wed, 2009-05-20 19:41

#42

Unionist

Fidel, if you can muster up a Soviet expeditionary force to chase out the U.S., Canada, and their NATO partners, I'll support it.

Happy?

Wed, 2009-05-20 19:53

#43

Fidel

I'm afraid the Russians have their hands full with Islamic gladios in Chechnya, Dagestan and the Caucasus at the same time theyre being surrounded by an oiligarchy at the gates with NATO as their muscle.

Thu, 2009-05-21 14:18

#44

Fidel

[url=http://www.rawa.org/rawa/2009/05/07/lets-rise-against-the-war-crimes-of-...
Let's rise against the war crimes of US and its fundamentalist lackeys![/url]
RAWA Statement on Massacre of over 150 civilians in Bala Baluk of Farah Province by the U.S.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/rabblerabble/bala_baluk_wounded.j...

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As the US occupiers continue killing our innocent and sorrowed people without regret, this time they committed yet another horrible crime in Bala Baluk village of Farah Province. On 5th May 2009, the US airstrikes targeted people's homes, killing more than 150, mostly women and children. This is another war crime but Pentagon shamelessly includes Taliban as the perpetrators too and announces the civilian deaths being only 12!

The so-called 'new' strategy of Obama's administration and the surge of troops in Afghanistan have already dragged our ill-fated people in the danger zone and his 100-day old government proved itself as much more war-mongering than Bush and his only gifts to our people is hiking killings and ever-horrifying oppression. This administration is bombarding our country and tearing our women and children into pieces and from the other side, is lending a friendly hand towards the terrorist Gulbuddinis and Taliban -- the dirty, bloody enemies of our people-- and holding secret negotiations and talks with such brutal groups

NO MORE PHONY WAR!

Mon, 2009-05-25 16:54

#45

Fidel

[url=http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/nima-maleki/2009/05/afghanistan-and-cont... and the contest for power[/url] Nima Maleki for Rabble

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The US-NATO war in Afghanistan has dragged on for nearly eight long years. It has failed to bring sustainability or security from violence, and Afghans continue to suffer from an economy that has fallen on its knees after three decades of continuous warfare.

The national government cannot far project its authority past the capital city, Kabul. Beyond this area, the seal of state power must be delivered at gun point, not by the Afghan National Army or Police, but by foreign forces. A 2008 US government report concluded that, out of a total force of 80,000, not a single national police unit is "fully capable of performing its mission and over three-fourths of units... are assessed at the lowest capability rating." The Afghan National Army is not much better. . .

"It is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America," writes Zbigniew Brzezinski in his book, the 'Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives.' Brzezinski was the national security adviser to former US president Jimmy Carter.

Brzezinski adds that, "in that context, how America 'manages' Eurasia is critical... A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75 percent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the world's known energy resources."

Zbig and other embedded cold war era hawks are still there in Warshington and advising Liberal-fascists on Central Asian strategy.

Mon, 2009-05-25 22:16

#46

Fidel

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/world/asia/21kabul.html?ref=asia]Phony enemies enter into phony peace talks[/url]

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They also raise the prospect of potentially difficult decisions by President Hamid Karzai and President Obama, who may have to consider making deals with groups like the Taliban that are anathema to many Americans, and other leaders with brutal and bloody pasts. Some of the leaders in the current talks have been involved with Al Qaeda. . .

American officials insist they are not participating in any talks. "The U.S. would support such efforts only if Taliban are willing to abandon violence and lay down their arms, and accept Afghanistan's democratically elected government," said Ian Kelly, a State Department spokesman. Still, two of the principal intermediaries, Mr. Zaeef and Daoud Abedi, said they had held extensive discussions with American officials.

Mon, 2009-06-08 15:17

#47

Unionist

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/08/afghanistan-canada060809.html][... young Canadian dies for nothing[/color][/url]

[i][b]Pte Alexandre Péloquin, age 20, R.I.P.[/b][/i]

Mon, 2009-06-08 22:56

#48

Jingles

The Crusaders get a name and face. Huzzah.

Tue, 2009-06-09 04:25

#49

Frmrsldr

It's the same old bullshit: "Unit was conducting an area sweep of IEDs. Mission was successful.", says top Canadian commander in Afghanistan.

Well it sure in the hell wasn't successful for poor poor Private Peloquin.

Tue, 2009-06-09 10:53

#50

remind

Was watching the Daily Show last night, and jon had a woman on who has been researching a book on opium in Afghanistan for 5 years. She basically states opium trade is a direct contributor to all NATO's activities there, and it is a 4 billion dollar industry in Afghanistan alone, not what that is worth outside the country, and of course she detailed what we already know, that Karzi's brother is the public face ring leader.

Wonder how these parents and families of the dead soldiers feel knowing their loved ones died so that the rich can get richer?

Tue, 2009-06-09 14:14

#51

NDPP

Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan: Obama's speech is a failed attempt to mislead the Muslim world:

http://www.alqimmah.net/showthread.php?t=6675

The Afghan people will win - part 5

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