Criminal Code changes would allow fingerprinting before charges

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Criminal Code changes would allow fingerprinting before charges

Criminal Code changes would allow fingerprinting before charges

TheStar.com - Canada

May 20, 2009

Terri Theodore 

VANCOUVER-Police will be allowed to take fingerprints and mug shots of people they arrest even before charges are laid if proposed changes to Canada's Criminal Code are passed.

It's one of six amendments introduced in the House of Commons on Wednesday that police say would streamline the justice system and let officers can get on with crime fighting.

The latest proposed changes are part of the Conservative government's tough-on-crime push this year that has already targeted organized crime and gangs.

In Vancouver to announce the amendments, Trade Minister Stockwell Day said only those accused of serious, indictable offences would be fingerprinted and photographed before charges are laid.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/637267

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It's beginning to sound like a police state and something out of George Orwell's 1984.

I hope the opposition parties do something about this.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

The Liberals will let it pass.

Caissa

Yes, but will the courts strike it down?

Snert Snert's picture

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Day said it would speed up the charge and trial process and make sure no one got out on bail after they were suspected of committing an indictable offence without being fingerprinted and photographed.

 

I had been of the understanding that the police decide when someone is free to go. They couldn't just make sure that someone is fingerprinted before telling them they can leave??

 

On the other hand, getting rid of a ridiculous interprovincial jurisdictional issues makes sense. I can't see why avoiding arrest should be as simple as making your way to the next nearest province. We can extradite people from Europe or Asia or Australia, but not from another province in Canada??

G. Muffin

So what happens to the fingerprints if a person isn't charged? 

Cueball Cueball's picture

They sit around in your file for years because they just "don't have the staff" to clear out all the junk.

G. Muffin

Cueball wrote:

They sit around in your file for years because they just "don't have the staff" to clear out all the junk.

And then if you later get fingerprinted and charged with a different crime, the first set is irrelevant, right?  Right???

Rexdale_Punjabi Rexdale_Punjabi's picture

G. Pie wrote:

Cueball wrote:

They sit around in your file for years because they just "don't have the staff" to clear out all the junk.

And then if you later get fingerprinted and charged with a different crime, the first set is irrelevant, right?  Right???

exactly lol it aint n even with a charge they should only fingerprint u with a conviction a charge is an accusation really ur being fingerprinted if charged for bein part of a non mainstream group. If this passes then ur gonna see cops rollin around the hood wit ink pads, papers n pens more then now tryna get every1z fingerprint n they'll justifiy it n yall already know how son

Cueball Cueball's picture

They want all the fingerprints on file.

Caissa

Does anyone seriously think this would stand up to a court challenge?

remind remind's picture

There is no court challenges program anymore!

Caissa

It doesn't require one. The issue is one of self-incrimination. ie. providing material that can be used in evidence prior to charges being laid to assist in charges being laid.

Rexdale_Punjabi Rexdale_Punjabi's picture

exactly Son FIFTH

Cueball Cueball's picture

We don't have a 5th, here.

Benjamin

remind wrote:

There is no court challenges program anymore!

Is that a difference between the "identical" LPC and CPC?

Rexdale_Punjabi Rexdale_Punjabi's picture

Cueball wrote:

We don't have a 5th, here.

we actually do it just aint called that it part of british common law. Guns are also tecnically allowed because the magna carta is part of our law and that allows self-defense 

this part of a comment I seen on a article one time I posted it in something here u go cuz 

In the USA , 48 US states allow their citizens to aquire a concealed carry permit to carry a handgun 24/7 on their person. (of course now that anti-gun Obama has been elected-you can expect that to change very soon)
Are U.S. citizens more trustworthy than Canadains ? ..some may argue that they have a second amendment and we dont. Well technically we do too- except very little people know about it.

The "Magna Carta" derived from old english/british law that was also adopted into Canadian law when this country was founded is essentially the english version of the U.S. 2nd amendment. I have yet to hear of a case where this defence was used in court though- but the law still exists. We have since adopted a charter of rights and freedoms which under sec.7 states we have a right to life,liberty and "Security of the person"
again reinforcing in undefined terms essentially what the original Magna Carta stated. I believe there is still a court case before the supreme court regarding an Edmonton store owner who gunned down an armed man whio broke into his home/store (the dwelling was adjacent/part of the store)

Anyways, this case will be a test of the section 7 clause of the charter as well as self-defence clauses under the criminal code."

 

Dana Larsen

If we let this go through then the next step with be DNA samples from anyone accused of a crime.

In England, they have been collecting DNA and creating a database that apparently now includes about 25% of the population.

http://www.infowars.com/britain-builds-dna-database-by-stealth/

thorin_bane

Nevermind the fact that your Insurance company already does collect your DNA. When I bought my life insurance some 14 years ago they took a swab to make sure I wasn't a smoker. So they already have my data on file. I don't think it would be too hard for the cops to force access to insurance companies files.

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Benjamin wrote:

remind wrote:

There is no court challenges program anymore!

Is that a difference between the "identical" LPC and CPC?

Good point.  Historically it has been the Cons who have eliminated it, and the Libs who have restored it.  It proves all parties are not the same in every way.

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thorin_bane wrote:
 When I bought my life insurance some 14 years ago they took a swab to make sure I wasn't a smoker.

My life insurance representative had never asked for anything like this when I was a client, and that began in 1982.