Olivia Chow marches in support of Apartheid

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Wed, 2009-05-27 19:46

Cueball

Fidel wrote:
"This year's Walk with Israel in Toronto has raised about $186,000 thus far, going toward educational and social initiatives for northern communities in Israel"

Of course, I can see where Liberal Party supporters would totally ignore this fact as that party has shown similar disdain for children's rights while in federal government for far too many years.

What could be more Apartheid than raising money primarily in support Jewish children and social initiatives aimed at integrating new Jewish immigrants to Israel, while the Palestinian sons and daughters of those who can not return to the land of their birth because they are Arab are being ground to dust under the boot of the IDF in Gaza? Every penny that goes to "social intitiatives" in Israel, is a penny more that they can spend arming their attack helicopters, in liu of paying for "social initiatives".

If Israeli children are suffering too because of the costs of the occupation, then their is no way in hell Canadians who care about Israeli children should be enabling oppression by allowing for "social costs" to be defered so that the IDF can kill Palestinian children more effectively.

Wed, 2009-05-27 19:46

#53

Fidel

Cueball wrote:

What could be more Apartheid than raising money primarily in support Jewish children and social initiatives aimed at integrating new Jewish immigrants to Israel,

Where's your source on this?

If youre going to smear Olivia Chow, at least nail up some facts once in a while you guys

Wed, 2009-05-27 19:50

#54

Fidel

Cueball wrote:

The friggin UJA press release.

I'm clickin on UJA but gettin nothin

Wed, 2009-05-27 19:53

#55

Cueball

The friggin UJA press release.

Highlighted by groundbreaking partnerships with Israeli philanthropists, communities and volunteer organizations, monies raised from the Walk with Israel will be allocated through UIA Federations Canada, to educational and social welfare initiatives that strengthen vulnerable communities, such as those in northern Israel and Sderot.

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Funds raised will help enable UJA to support effective, life-changing educational and social supports for Bat Yam's Ethiopian-Israeli community to integrate them into mainstream Israeli society. We will also continue to support successful social and educational initiatives in Eilat/Eilot, Toronto's partner community - enhancing opportunities and transforming the region.

I notice they don't make a point of the relief they will be sharing out with Bedouin communities being destroyed by the encroachment of Jewish settlements, and state administrators, or Palestinians dehoused in Jerusalem.

Wed, 2009-05-27 19:54

#56

Cueball

Link was posted up thread. Do I find it suprising that you are talking off the top of your head without even having glanced through the reference material already provided in an effort to clue yourself in? Nope.

Wed, 2009-05-27 19:55

#57

Unionist

Fidel wrote:

If youre going to smear Olivia Chow, at least nail up some facts once in a while you guys

"You guys"? Now you're prepared to run cover for Israel, just in case Olivia Chow is under attack? How gallant!

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There is no more powerful expression of solidarity with the people of Israel than showing them how much we care by walking in support of our Jewish homeland.

Highlighted by groundbreaking partnerships with Israeli philanthropists, communities and volunteer organizations, monies raised from the Walk with Israel will be allocated through UIA Federations Canada, to educational and social welfare initiatives that strengthen vulnerable communities, such as those in northern Israel and Sderot.

Funds raised will help enable UJA to support effective, life-changing educational and social supports for Bat Yam’s Ethiopian-Israeli community to integrate them into mainstream Israeli society. We will also continue to support successful social and educational initiatives in Eilat/Eilot, Toronto’s partner community - enhancing opportunities and transforming the region.

On behalf of the residents of Israel, United Jewish Appeal of Greater Toronto thanks you.

Now maybe the United [size=20]JEWISH[/size] appeal is talking about the vulnerable ARAB and MUSLIM and CHRISTIAN communities in Israel! Shee-it, I never thunk of that!

Fidel wrote:
I'm clickin on UJA but gettin nothin

You haven't been gettin anythin for a while now.

Wed, 2009-05-27 19:57

#58

Fidel

Well if there's no source link produced, we'll just have to think youre full of shit as per usual. Change up your diaper.Pew!

Wed, 2009-05-27 19:58

#59

Cueball

Quote and link above. Look it up on google, if you like.

Wed, 2009-05-27 20:00

#60

Unionist

Fidel wrote:

Well if there's no source link produced, we'll just have to think youre full of shit as per usual. Change up your diaper.Pew!

I made it up. Wrote the whole thing myself. Just wanted to hurl shit at Olivia Chow. That's all I live for. How did I do?

Wed, 2009-05-27 20:20

#61

Fidel

Okay, in the article sourced in post one, it says:

"This year's Walk with Israel in Toronto has raised about $186,000 thus far, going toward educational and social initiatives for northern communities in Israel"

Thanks, but I already posted this before up thread. And yes, we already know that Bat Yam is a piss poor city of immigrants south of Tel Aviv. So altogether we know that Whigs n' Tories Inc. have no respect for aboriginal child rights that have defined Canadian apartheid for several decades of Liberal and Tory federal rule in Canada. and children's rights in general in Canada are still trampled by the feds and their inaction. And now we know they dont give a damn about poor children in the Middle East.

So what's new there besides nothing?

Wed, 2009-05-27 20:21

#62

Stockholm

gee whiz, almost 100 postings in just a couple of hours and all from the same three people who seem to post about 95% of all the posting we ever have on the Middle East and Israel. Maybe the three of you should just find a telephone booth to argue in for the next 100 years and when ou come out - Israel will still be there and nothing will have changed.

Wed, 2009-05-27 20:29

#63

Unionist

Israel has no friends in the world and is a nuclear bully. It will not exist 100 years from now. The only question is how many people it will take down with it.

Wed, 2009-05-27 20:52

#64

Fidel

Unionist wrote:
Israel has no friends in the world and is a nuclear bully.

Israel is a long-time US client state and enjoys British support as well.

Wed, 2009-05-27 20:59

#65

RabbleDick

aka Mycroft, Unionist, Michelle and Cueball:

You are all a bunch of fat, disgruntled, union, douchebags. It's apparent to everyone who views these posts what bigots, racists and hypocrites you all are. You may want to spend less time sitting at your respective computers eating hoho's and whining about how unfair the world is. Get some fresh air - it will be good for your minds and help with those always lingering high school zits.

Wed, 2009-05-27 21:05

#66

Unionist

By Jove, it's Jason Kenney! And my zits have been responding well to that new cream. Welcome to babble!

Wed, 2009-05-27 21:14

#67

Michelle

I think only Americans have hoho's. Other than that, an excellent rant! 9.3!

Wed, 2009-05-27 21:31

#68

Cueball

I sure hope you didn't ban that one.

Wed, 2009-05-27 21:50

#69

Fidel

Well he insulted hell out of me. Not even a mention.

Wed, 2009-05-27 21:56

#70

Cueball

Speaking of Ho Ho's, I am reminded of one of my all time tops picks for worst pop music video: "Ho Ho, Hopefully" by The Maine.

I had to look up "Ho Ho's", which I assume is some kind of confectionary, and discovered that yes indeed they are available only in the USA and Egypt.

Wed, 2009-05-27 22:02

#71

Sean in Ottawa

Unionist and Cueball-- I sure hope you get pictures of everyone going on to celebrate Canada day this year and send them a postcard saying they are marching in favour of Canada's aggression in Afganistan.

This is the same logic you are using-- after all if you support Canada, you must be supporting everything that country does right?

The walk you are talking about was not even in support of the Israeli government generally never mind any policy in particular. It was support for NGOs in that country.

As far as the comparison to the boycott of South Africa, I remember before that boycott. There used to be tons of canned fruit from South Africa. As a family we boycotted it long before Canada had an official boycott. I liked canned fruit but did nto have it for long periods because there was only South African product available. But I did not have the arrogance to go after other people who merely ate that fruit and call them facists.

Now I am fine with an argument that Chow should not have attended, fair argument, but I have a lot of trouble with the statement that she marched in favour of apartheid. Its simplistic, sactimonious and hypocritical. And while I don't want to go to the extreme labelling it for you-- if you can't tell the difference between a foreign government and a social service organization and you wish to blanket an entire people with assumptions and responsibility for what others of their group/nation/religion do and then go after anyone who associates with them, well there is a word for that and its a word you throw around a lot so I think you know it already.

Wed, 2009-05-27 22:08

#72

Fidel

And send the kids to bed with no supper!! baaaa humbug

What would Chomsky say? Personally I think it's possible to wage an embargo of Israel without involving children.

Wed, 2009-05-27 22:22

#73

Cueball

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Unionist and Cueball-- I sure hope you get pictures of everyone going on to celebrate Canada day this year and send them a postcard saying they are marching in favour of Canada's aggression in Afganistan.

This is the same logic you are using-- after all if you support Canada, you must be supporting everything that country does right?.

I am sure Canada Day celebration in Israel, if such a thing exists, are not also fundraising events targetting exclusive support for the children of white Canadians, or to better integrate newly immigrated Europeans in Canada, and defray those costs so that we are better able to pay for our army in Afghanistan. Again, what is not Apartheid about raising money not for Israelis in need, per se, regardless if they Jewish, Christian or Muslim, but only if they are Jewish, in the context of a "walk for Israel".

Are there no Arab Israelis in need?

This is not a "walk for Israel" This is a "Walk for Israeli Jews." Fundamentally, this is infrastructural support designed to solve the so-called demographic problem, by encouraging Jews to immigrate, and encouraging them to stay (in Sderot as one given example), in a manner that is directly prejudiced against non-Jewish Israelis.

Wed, 2009-05-27 22:24

#74

Slumberjack

RabbleDick wrote:
aka Mycroft, Unionist, Michelle and Cueball You are all a bunch of fat, disgruntled, union, douchebags. ......You may want to spend less time sitting at your respective computers eating hoho's and whining about how unfair the world is....Get some fresh air - it will be good for your minds and help with those always lingering high school zits.

I've suspected that Rabble management had a hidden mean streak for some time now.

Wed, 2009-05-27 22:26

#75

Unionist

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

This is the same logic you are using-- after all if you support Canada, you must be supporting everything that country does right?

What exactly do you mean by "if you support Canada"? What does that phrase mean? Celebrating Canada Day does not mean you "support Canada". That's just sophistry, and you use it to draw your invidious conclusions.

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The walk you are talking about was not even in support of the Israeli government generally never mind any policy in particular. It was support for NGOs in that country.

Nonsense. I quoted the entire section of the website entitled "Where the money goes" above. There is no mention of NGOs. What is your aim in saying this?

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But I did not have the arrogance to go after other people who merely ate that fruit and call them facists.

What about people who participated in celebrations of the Boer victory over the British? Your sophistry is reaching acute proportions. Did someone here condemn Chow for munching on Israeli chocolates? These aren't legitimate debating methods.

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Now I am fine with an argument that Chow should not have attended, fair argument, but I have a lot of trouble with the statement that she marched in favour of apartheid.

Chow is a public figure. Her participation in this vile "walk" was not some private and personal act. Let her explain what her participation signified. Let her proclaim publicly that she was actually "walking" with non-profit social organizations raising money for ... for whom? Until she does, progressive people who despise the crimes of the Israeli murderers and aggressors are entitled to draw obvious conclusions. We stand to be corrected - but not by you.

Wed, 2009-05-27 22:27

#76

Cueball

Slumberjack wrote:
I've suspected that Rabble management had a hidden mean streak for some time now.

Me too. But I never suspected acne.

Wed, 2009-05-27 22:30

#77

Slumberjack

In your defence though, not that you need it or anything, but I certainly do not believe that any of you are disgruntled.

Wed, 2009-05-27 22:51

#78

Fidel

I propose a walk-off between Olivia and Unionist. Olivia's team will walk for poor immigrant children in Bat Yam and the anti-kiddie babblers can walk for lumps of coal to send the children for Hanukkah

Wed, 2009-05-27 22:58

#79

Unionist

Fidel, I wished you showed as much sympathy for the two kids in Winnipeg as you do for the "poor" children of Israel.

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:09

#80

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

Fidel, I wished you showed as much sympathy for the two kids in Winnipeg as you do for the "poor" children of Israel.

My position is consistent throughout. I demand that our stooges in Ottawa do something about Canada's near bottom of the barrel rates of child poverty compared to other rich countries, and for the hypocrites to live up to their UN obligations on children's rights in Canada, including the rights of aboriginal children growing up in thirdworld conditions across Canada.

And I refuse to think that impoverished immigrant children in Bat Yam need punishing for the sins of the state.

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:10

#81

Unionist

"Immigrants"! Some Russian can swear he's a Jew and get immediate citizenship upon arrival. A Palestinian who owns a home and plot of land and whose family lived there for generations can't even come and visit. Which one is Chow marching for?

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:10

#82

Cueball

Fidel wrote:

I propose a walk-off between Olivia and Unionist. Olivia's team will walk for poor immigrant children in Bat Yam and the anti-kiddie babblers can walk for lumps of coal to send the children for Hanukkah

Yeah... and the only presents the kids in Gaza will get is a bullet in the head, paid for with the money that Olivia has saved the Israeli state in funding for immigration adjustment programs.

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:16

#83

Fidel

Chow is walking for the benefit of the children, remember? Children are also the topic of discussion in that other thread - that thread where you dont want to talk about the feds abdication of responsibility to uphold children's rights in this country, this frozen Puerto Rico with a few polar bears and some carbon taxes, and a long running Canadian apartheid of our very own.

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:21

#84

Cueball

Fidel wrote:
And I refuse to think that impoverished immigrant children in Bat Yam need punishing for the sins of the state.

It is a sin of the Israeli state. The Ethiopian Jews are being used to do the shit jobs that used to belong to the Arabs. At best Olivia is enabling the displacement of the Arab workforce, and at the same time providing financial support to compensate for explotative labour relations. It is doubly racist. Exploiting the vulnerability of black Ethiopian labour to force Arabs from their jobs.

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The Manufacturers Association of Israel reports that it has recently completed training for 200 discharged Ethiopian IDF soldiers for industry and the business sectors. The training course was part of a special program to help the absorption of Ethiopian immigrants that began in November 1997. Over the past year, some 280 Ethiopian immigrants have found employment with over 20 firms. Today, more than 3,000 Ethiopians are employed in industry, mainly in production.

JVL

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:23

#85

Fidel

And I'm sure the argon atoms expelled in Olivia Chow's breath will find a vector to the Middle East and be consumed by Israeli soldiers at some point. That would make Olivia an accessory to mass murder!!

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:29

#86

Cueball

That's just the way Apartheid states work Fidel. Coloured were privilged over pure black, and Indians abvove both. Here to be Jewish, even if black, gives you some advantage, for example, the UJA will send you donations from Canada. Pitting one racialized group against another is just part and parcel of the system.

47% of Ethiopian adults, ages 25 - 54 do not participate in the Israeli labor market in any form, as opposed to 24% of other Israelis of the same age group.
Only 38% of Ethiopian women ages 25 - 54 are in the labor market, as opposed to 68% of other Israeli women of the same age group.
More than 90% of Ethiopian immigrants, who are employed, work in low-paying manual labor and minimum wage positions.
62% of Ethiopian families have no income at all.
72% of Ethiopian children live in households below the poverty line.
The majority of Ethiopian immigrants with professional degrees and/or degrees of higher education are unable to find work in their fields.

Latest Statistics for Ethiopian Jews in Israel

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:32

#87

al-Qa'bong

Fidel wrote:

And I'm sure the argon atoms expelled in Olivia Chow's breath will find a vector to the Middle East and be consumed by Israeli soldiers at some point. That would make Olivia an accessory to mass murder!!

Blind party partisans spreading darkness.

It's a little-known fact that you have a one-in-ten chance of inhaling a molecule from Julius Caesar's last breath every time you draw air.

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:34

#88

Fidel

That's awful. So let's turn the screws some more on them and end this terrible walk for poor kids in Toronto!! That'll teach those Israeli fascists and warfiteering Arabs in for a cut off the top and living in the lap of luxury no where near the trouble spots or poor neighborhoods.

Or, there could be a real embargo of a similar design which helped bring down a fascist government in South Africa. But it doesnt include targeting children!

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:41

#89

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:

It's a little-known fact that you have a one-in-ten chance of inhaling a molecule from Julius Caesar's last breath every time you draw air.

So then that would make us ALL FASCIST-IMPERIALIST MURDERERS!! Repent now and save yourselves!

Soilent green is peepul!

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:47

#90

Unionist

Fidel wrote:

Chow is walking for the benefit of the children, remember?

Right, I believe the incursion into Gaza was also to save the children of Sderot.

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:54

#91

martin dufresne

It is unfortunate that the boycott of anything having to do with support for Israel isn't taken more seriously by progressives.

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:54

#92

Cueball

Fidel wrote:

That's awful. So let's turn the screws some more on them and end this terrible walk for poor kids in Toronto!! That'll teach those Israeli fascists and warfiteering Arabs in for a cut off the top and living in the lap of luxury no where near the trouble spots or poor neighborhoods.

Or, there could be a real embargo of a similar design which helped bring down a fascist government in South Africa. But it doesnt include targeting children!

I would cetainly not support any walk for a charity in Toronto that openly distinguished the recipient elligibility for that aid on the basis of their ethnic heritage as opposed to need, especially if the ethnic heritage in question was the privileged majority. Raising money for the disadvantaged of a privileged group is simply to reinforce their privileged status.

You are saying that raising money only for poor white children in Toronto, would be just fine? The most likely people to think something like that up would be the Heritage Front, and I would love to see Chow marching in support of "white pride".

In this case only "poor" (if they are indeed that) Jewish children are deemed worthy of support: Apartheid.

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:56

#93

Cueball

Rather, the failure to respond to the boycott brings into question the "progressiveness" of the person, I should think.

Wed, 2009-05-27 23:59

#94

Unionist

In the U.S., Olivia Chow would have been sentenced to 65 years in prison for helping hungry Middle East children:

[url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Muslim-charity-members-get... charity members get 65 years in prison[/color][/url]

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As they stood before Solis, the defendants said they only fed the needy and gave much-needed aid to a volatile region, reiterating themes they made in mounting their defences. Sentenced separately throughout the day, the men were both emotional and defiant as they addressed the judge.

"We are five innocent men," Odeh said, adding that the group's function had been "providing charity to all mankind."

Abu Baker said he was involved in the charity "because I cared, not at the behest of Hamas." But he was cut off by Solis, who told him: "You didn't tell the whole story. [b]Palestinians were in a desperate situation, but that doesn't justify supporting Hamas.[/b]"

Abdulqader, who worked as an engineer for the City of Dallas, described himself as merely a volunteer fundraiser and singer for a Palestinian folk band that worked with the charity.

"I never imagined I'd be put in jail for taking people out of their jail of poverty and starvation," he said.

Solis agreed that Abdulqader did not have a leadership role in the organization, but he dismissed the notion that the defendant's actions were innocent.

[b]"You weren't convicted of singing," the judge said. "You weren't convicted of freedom of expression. You were convicted of supporting Hamas."[/b]

Oh, I'm sorry, my mistake. Olivia Chow wasn't walking with the children of Gaza - no reason to throw her in prison. She was walking with the angels of death.

Thu, 2009-05-28 00:02

#95

al-Qa'bong

Fidel wrote:

al-Qa'bong wrote:

It's a little-known fact that you have a one-in-ten chance of inhaling a molecule from Julius Caesar's last breath every time you draw air.

So then that would make us ALL FASCIST-IMPERIALIST MURDERERS!! Repent now and save yourselves!

Soilent green is peepul!

The cliché is "from the sublime to the ridiculous," but you've managed to go from the ridiculous to the ridiculous.

If anyone but a Nude Em member were to have participated in this regrettable activity, most here would likely have condemned her, but a partisan bias has changed all that.

If Olivia Chow had strangled a seal pup with her bare hands and torn out its heart with her teeth she'd be honoured in this thread for having stood up for the rights of baby cod.

Thu, 2009-05-28 00:03

#96

Cueball

Thu, 2009-05-28 00:09

#97

Fidel

So, you people are saying that progressives should stop contributing to what are children's rights in order to demonstrate to Israeli elites that violating basic human rights is wrong? I dont think youre hypocrites for saying so, I think youre dangerous and misguided hypocrites

Thu, 2009-05-28 00:16

#98

Cueball

I think you don't think. That said, they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, so since you have none, or at least don't appear to excercize it, that while you commentary here has been an excelent example of blind partisanship, absurdum ad nauseum, it is not dangerous, in the same manner that patriot on glue is far less dangerous even than a patriot without a clue.

Thu, 2009-05-28 00:17

#99

Unionist

Anyone who contributes to "children's rights" in Israel is an accomplice to war criminals. One can't blame the innocent and ignorant, but political people who know better stand condemned. As for you, I'd condemn you for saying these things if I thought you meant them, rather than just your usual knee-jerk "defend her first and figure out what she did later". That's kind of harmless.

ETA: Well, Cueball, glad to see our diagnoses were identical!

Thu, 2009-05-28 00:22

#100

Fidel

Sure thing. We'll embargo poor immigrant kids in Israel while the USA sends billions of dollars in aid and weapons to their elites every year. Makes perfect sense, like playing whack a mole. I'm sure it worked in South Africa.

Thu, 2009-05-28 00:25

#101

Peter3

Fidel wrote:

So, you people are saying that progressives should stop contributing to what are children's rights in order to demonstrate to Israeli elites that violating basic human rights is wrong? I dont think you're hypocrites for saying so, I think youre dangerous and misguided hypocrites

I'm thinking the old "What bout the children!" dodge is looking a little wobbly here. If I work at it, I can explain why a progressive person might be able to rationalize turning out for this event, but the idea that there is really no question about the legitimacy of the event because it's just to help immigrant kids is too much to swallow.

The dichotomy laid out in this quote from Unionist:

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Some Russian can swear he's a Jew and get immediate citizenship upon arrival. A Palestinian who owns a home and plot of land and whose family lived there for generations can't even come and visit.

is bang on the mark. In this context, raising money for immigrant kids is not something warm and fuzzy.

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