David Suzuki did not support the BC Liberals

Frank, pseudo ndp guy, you do know that many countrys have high taxes. Sweden, denmark, etc.  And yet they somehow survive. 

Sweden  grows sugar beet!

Some even say they prosper!  Well, my last post was a little sarcastic and I guess you missed it.  I was not attacking myself, I was just pointing out the glaringly obvious.  your cap and trade will also raise prices.

But hey!    Frank, lets abolish tax forever!  Then maybe other countries will be forced to abolish taxes too!  

Hey wait a minute, thats harpers plan too, isn't it? You sure you are not a cylon forgery?

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"Or as harper said "a tax on everything""

You're forgetting that in your last post you said "And we all know that cap and trade is a tax on everything too, right? "

 

So are you now attacking yourself?  That's pretty cool.

 

And please Brian, for the sake of giving me a few chuckles here just before midnight, please explain again how taxing food grown in BC, but not outside of BC, is going to lead to greater local food production.

 

Face it, with your limited graspo of facts and logic you're well on your way to becoming a Stockwell Day advisor.

 

"Frank, pseudo ndp guy, you do know that many countrys have high taxes. Sweden, denmark, etc."

Yes, I believe I've heard of them.  If you want to move to a Swedish style taxation system I'm all for it but only if we also move to the Swedish style when it comes to social justice otherwise what's the point?

"I was not attacking myself, I was just pointing out the glaringly obvious.  your cap and trade will also raise prices"

My cap and trade?  I realize the NDP supports the idea but I don't.  I think it would be a boondoggle whether its run by the Libs, the Cons, the NDP or Obama the messiah.

"But hey!    Frank, lets abolish tax forever!  Then maybe other countries will be forced to abolish taxes too!  

Hey wait a minute, thats harpers plan too, isn't it? You sure you are not a cylon forgery?"

No taxes at all is better than regressive taxes.  

Brian White wrote:

http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/Out/Ote4_2.htm is for Remind.  (Wheat yields in different countries.  I thought it was widely known)

Of course it is widely known that wheat, or indeed any grains have different yeilds in different countries, and hell the yeild in any given country from year to year is different. My point to you  about was about where grains can and cannot be grown, hard wheat for example needs to be grown, and where it can not be grown. In fact, your article details this, and I am surprised you did not take what the article said into your internal conceptions of what it was the article actually stated.

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(Some of the smaller european countries get higher per hectare yields than france but that is soft wheat and doesn't really count.)

France gets 2 crops of wheat a year according to your article, hence the larger number per hectare than most other countries.

There are reasons why there is yeild differences, in fact many reasons were clearly stated in your article, of just why yeild is different in different countries, perhaps you should take them into account in your deliberations upon this subject? Take wheat again for example, soft wheat can grow in areas that are more temperate, with warmer winters, while hard wheat cannot.

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My da was a farmer.  In a far less suitable climate than southern bc we grew peas, sugar beet wheat and barley. Prarie yields were not an option.

last I heard barely, wheat, and other grains were grown in southern BC, what makes you think they are not? And peas are grown all over BC, and indeed large commercial crops grow in the lower mainland, never heard of Fraser Vale foods?

Lots of saanich is ideal for grain production or sugar beet production.[/quiote] Lots of Saanich? LMAO, there is not a lot to Saanich in the first place.</p> <p>[quote wrote:

Sugar beet is one of the most productive crops in our climate,  but you guys already know that, eh?

Personally, I do not use a great deal of white sugar, and would like to see sugar cane growing if anything.

Plus it sounds like you would into the use of sugar beets for their bioethanol purposes, the way you are promoting them. Personally I think people eat way too much sugar in the first place, and that it is a waste of land use that could be used for actual food production.

Also, you need to consider salt/saline tolerance levels in food plants grown on VIsland and the lower mainland.

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Or we could continue to use the hatians as slave labour to produce our sugar!

Is that really the NDP way?

This is an issue I struggle with, as do we deprive them of one of their main sources of income when they are barely surviving? Or do we continue to import one of the only things they export in order that they at least have some money on which to live?

Also, Brian I am not in disagreement with you, in fact I would like to see farm subsidies, which would promote local farms and farming, they are desperately needed, and interesting the BCNDP even covered this need in their platform, but of course the carbon tax was more important to some than coherent thinking.