Ask the rabbis: How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?

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Stargazer
Ask the rabbis: How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?

http://www.momentmag.com/Exclusive/2009/2009-06/200906-Ask_Rabbis.html

 

Independent
Although we need to take every precaution against fanatical Muslim Arab terrorism in and outside our homeland, we need to cease forcibly displacing peaceful Arabs like Bedouins, destroying their homes (even their mosques!) for the crime of not filling out forms. We were told that we were to apportion land to those living among us, whether Arab or Martian:

Independent
Although we need to take every precaution against fanatical Muslim Arab terrorism in and outside our homeland, we need to cease forcibly displacing peaceful Arabs like Bedouins, destroying their homes (even their mosques!) for the crime of not filling out forms. We were told that we were to apportion land to those living among us, whether Arab or Martian:

Renewal
The question is not about Israelis’ obligations to Arabs—that is clear. Under its Basic Laws, Israel is obliged to treat its citizens fairly—which it valiantly tries to do under extraordinary circumstances.

Reconstructionist
Judaism’s key teaching is that all are created in God’s image. Everyone, not “everyone whose nationality includes no extremists.” Israel’s leading human rights group is, significantly, called B’Tselem, “in the image.”

Then there’s tshuvah, the stance of critical self-reflection before we examine others. We Jews have our own extremists, terrorists and demagogues; our side has fanned the flames, too. Even after discerning the few among “them” who are “enemies,” some obligations continue?we should constructively seek the end of their evil ways, not the end of them.

Reform

The sages recall that redemption comes only for “He who walks righteously, speaks uprightly, and who despises the gain of oppression…”(Isa. 33). For “what does the Lord require of you, but to do justice, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?” (Mic. 6). I do not know of any more fundamental imperative than this, especially as Israeli Jews consider the Palestinian “other.”

Conservative

When the Jewish nation finally resumed the status of a sovereign state in Israel, there was a 2,000-year-old gap between our Biblical texts that deal with this status and present-day reality. Those millennia of Diaspora and longing replaced literal readings of the text with a firmly established practice of using them for exercises in moral reasoning. This Jewish posture toward moral self-examination has preserved in us a reverence for life and a culture that retains a hopeful, responsible stance toward the future of our community and the larger world, no matter how trying and lasting the struggle.

Sephardi

For Israel to present itself as somehow intrinsically superior to its Arab neighbors, by virtue of its Jewishness alone is theologically disingenuous as well as practically counterproductive.

Modern Orthodox

Israeli Arabs’ equal rights are enshrined in Israel’s Declaration of Independence and Basic Laws. Although in practice there is not full equality, Israel is working on this. Constant terrorism requires security actions that make life difficult for Palestinians. But there’s no choice. Israel has resisted giving in to legitimate anger and has acted better toward the Arabs than any other power in the world would have under these circumstances.

Chabad - saving the "best" for last:

I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral.

The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle).

The first Israeli prime minister who declares that he will follow the Old Testament will finally bring peace to the Middle East. First, the Arabs will stop using children as shields. Second, they will stop taking hostages knowing that we will not be intimidated. Third, with their holy sites destroyed, they will stop believing that G-d is on their side. Result: no civilian casualties, no children in the line of fire, no false sense of righteousness, in fact, no war.

Zero tolerance for stone throwing, for rockets, for kidnapping will mean that the state has achieved sovereignty. Living by Torah values will make us a light unto the nations who suffer defeat because of a disastrous morality of human invention.
Rabbi Manis Friedman
Bais Chana Institute of Jewish Studies
St. Paul, MN

 

 



 

Stargazer

Oh Israel, why did you let me and the world down? Jewish people have always played a promininet role in my life, and still do. Many of the greatest thinkers have been and are Jewish.  These men and women have helped shape me into the person that I try to be each day - critical thinker, good neighbour, a fighter for human rights. I have always had a lot of respect for and empathey for Jews. I was even going to convert to Judaism because it seemed to fit better with me than any other religion could.

The issue I have is not with Jews, but with Israel and it's racist policies. I am not a Jew, but had I converted so long ago as I had wanted to do, I would not stand behind Israel. I couldn't. It is against my better principles, the very same principles I learned from various Jewish scholars, activists and theorists. Had I converted I would loudly yell "Not in my Name!"

Please read the rest of the article. Not all Jews speak with one voice. Just like everyone else they have differing opinions on life as it comes to Israel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unionist

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Stargazer

Unionist. I was trying to prove a pont. A) that not all Jews think alike (obviously but apparently some need to see this) and that there is fanaticism. That last point was basically to show that all fanatics are not Muslim and that some Jews are fanatical when it comes to Israel.

 

I am not suggesting this is a mainstream journal. Is it a facist site? I don't know this is the first I have read it.

 

Stockholm

"I was even going to convert to Judaism because it seemed to fit better with me than any other religion could."

I guess you don't like pork or lobster - to me that alone makes Judaism unacceptable.

500_Apples

Stargazer wrote:

Oh Israel, why did you let me and the world down? Jewish people have always played a promininet role in my life, and still do. Many of the greatest thinkers have been and are Jewish.  These men and women have helped shape me into the person that I try to be each day - critical thinker, good neighbour, a fighter for human rights. I have always had a lot of respect for and empathey for Jews. I was even going to convert to Judaism because it seemed to fit better with me than any other religion could.

The issue I have is not with Jews, but with Israel and it's racist policies. I am not a Jew, but had I converted so long ago as I had wanted to do, I would not stand behind Israel. I couldn't. It is against my better principles, the very same principles I learned from various Jewish scholars, activists and theorists. Had I converted I would loudly yell "Not in my Name!"

Please read the rest of the article. Not all Jews speak with one voice. Just like everyone else they have differing opinions on life as it comes to Israel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those things you like about historical Judaism are not derived from a strict reading of the old testament.

How many of those greatest thinkers you mention were religious? I'd guess few of them were rabbis like the people quoted in the opening post. A more analogous opening post would have been Jews from different academic disciplines.

I'm surprised you wanted to convert to Judaism at some point. My last effort to be religious ended in frustration due to an ultra-misogynistic passage in the Talmud. There are lots of things I like about Jewish history and culture, but a strict reading of the religion itself leaves behind a black and bleak world view on morals, humanity, and epistemology imo.

Ken Burch

Stockholm wrote:

"I was even going to convert to Judaism because it seemed to fit better with me than any other religion could."

I guess you don't like pork or lobster - to me that alone makes Judaism unacceptable.

Stargazer did NOT deserve that response.  She was respectful and thoughtful in what she said, and all you offered in return was cynicism and contempt.  Granted that I'm just another babbler, but it seems to me you owe stargazer an apology.  It's the RIGHT you should be sniping at, not people like her.

al-Qa'bong

Feeling the Hate In Jerusalem on Eve of Obama's Cairo Address
 

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Max and I went on to the streets of Jerusalem at ten o'clock on a Wednesday to ascertain the feelings of the young population about Obama's upcoming speech in Cairo. As is often the case, the streets of central Jerusalem were not filled with native Israelis but American Jews. Doubtlessly anyone who has visited Jerusalem has encountered the droves of American Jewish kids that are sent to Israel to study for a period of time from Teaneck or Westchester. We asked people a simple question, "What do you think of Obama and Israel?" Most of the people that we talked to were dual American Israeli citizens. The answers in this video reflect the education and worrisome perspectives that many American Jews harbor towards Israeli politics. The sense of entitlement that the American Jewish community has when it comes to Israeli policy is on full raw display in the words of these young adults.

http://ibnezra.wordpress.com/

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Here is an honest reaction to that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YILDfiXKhTo