The Afghan people will win - part 5

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NDPP

Obama's Afghan War: The New Metric of Civilian Casulties:

"During 2009, seven out of ten civilians killed by the Obama and NATO military machines have been women and children"

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13957

Clearly protest activity against the war here has dropped off to almost nothing. Shameful and shocking.

Unionist

People really don't choose their words very carefully, do they?

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8098523.stm][color=blue]UK soldier dies in Afghan blast[/color][/url]

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... Pte McLaren, 20, from Kintras, by Fionnphort on the Isle of Mull, was fresh out of infantry recruit training when he was caught in the blast while on operation on Thursday. ...

His commanding officer, Lieutenant Colonel Stephen Cartwright said from the moment Pte McLaren arrived, "he threw his heart and body into everything he was asked to do". ...

"Any death in this close knit Battalion delivers an emotional body blow, but the loss of this young man so soon after joining us has hit us particularly hard," he said.

Unionist

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/bomb-expert-killed-defusing... 120[/color][/url]

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Corporal Martin Dubé, 35, is the second Canadian Forces soldier killed within a week's span by improvised explosive devices (IEDs) during missions intended to neutralize them. The blast also killed an Afghan police officer and wounded a Pashto interpreter, who was rushed by helicopter to hospital.

They haven't got a clue how to deal with the least sophisticated weapon in the world - because they have no support amongst the people.

 

Fidel

Well at least Afghans are winning. Because we'd hate to see what losing looks like for them. And theyre still [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13974]winning in Viet Nam[/url] with the victory prize that keeps on giving.

Unionist

No need for Taliban here - the Keystone cops are killing each other off quite efficiently:

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/29/kandahar-police-chief-shot487.h... police chief dies in shootout[/color][/url]

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Kandahar's provincial police chief and nine other police officials died on Monday in a gun battle at an Afghan government complex.

Later, the governor of Afghanistan's southern Kandahar province said 41 private security guards were arrested. [...]

Afghan President Hamid Karzai said the private security guards involved in the battle were working for U.S. coalition forces and demanded they be handed over. [...]

But Canadian Brig.-Gen. Jon Vance, who was across the street from the complex when the shooting occurred, denied the allegation.

[...]

The U.S. military also denied it was involved in the shooting in any way. [...]

 

 

Frmrsldr

Unionist wrote:

But Canadian Brig.-Gen. Jon Vance, who was across the street from the complex when the shooting occurred, denied the allegation.

[...]

The U.S. military also denied it was involved in the shooting in any way. [...]

Plausible deniability. In the U.S. and Canadian governments' attempt to sell the war, they are spinning the story to their publics that they are training the Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police to take over security for Afghanistan. This is supposed to be our exit strategy from Afghanistan. The U.S. doesn't give a damn who looks after Afghan security. Just so long as when U.S. soldiers are so sick of the war they refuse to fight. Just so long as when the majority of the American public is so sick they start mass public demonstrations to end the war. Just so long as the insurgents start entering Kabul's suburbs with their tanks, that there are Afghan soldiers of some variety loyal to the government (even if it's a case of the wolves guarding the hen house), that's all the U.S. government gives a damn about. Harper wears a T shirt with a finger that points to one side and reads "I'm with him".

NDPP

US Can't Sway Canada on Afghan Pullout: Cannon

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/30/afghanistan-canon030.html

"Let me be perfectly clear: Canada is abiding by the motion that was adopted in our Parliament," Cannon said at a news conference in New York. "Our position is perfectly clear - we are not going beyond 2011."

....we'll see

Frmrsldr

Afghan mission may extend past 2011, defence minister says.

http://www.ceasefire.ca/?p=1609

"Canada may well stay beyond its 2011 military mandate", said Defence Minister Peter MacKay today [May 20, 2009], as he left a NATO base in Afghanistan where Ottawa is planning to buy up hundreds more beds for next year.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper made similar remarks as he visited the base earlier this month.

Slumberjack

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypwrq4mbiQw

"We worked with translators whose sole interest in supplying us intelligence was to earn money and other forms of aid. We gathered information that often proved faulty. During a raid, we would ransack homes, breaking windows, doors, families, lives, chairs and tables, detaining and arresting anyone who seemed suspicious. In one case, we detained, beat, and nearly killed a man, only to realize he was merely trying to deliver milk to his children."

Testimony of Corporal Rick Reyes, a former US Marine, at a US Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing.

NorthReport

Obama's Marines Launch Offensive in Afghanistan

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/01/us-marines-launch-major-o_n_224...

Fidel

[url=http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/davemarkland/2009/07/cia-trained-assassi... assassins?[/url] July 2nd

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KABUL, Afghanistan, June 29 - The Afghan government Monday blamed U.S.-led coalition forces for the killing of Kandahar's police chief and criminal investigations director on coalition forces, saying the Afghan guards that shot them to death were working for and trained by the coalition...

American intelligence agencies are investigating whether some of the guards may have been among the Afghans whom the CIA has recruited, trained and paid to help fight the Taliban, al Qaida and drug trafficking.

Coalition officials in Afghanistan said only that no U.S. or coalition forces were involved in the killings, that the guards weren't acting "on behalf of U.S. or international forces" and that the killings in Kandahar, Afghanistan's second-largest city and the heart of its opium poppy-growing region, were an "Afghan-on-Afghan" incident...

The BBC has an intriguing take on the legal status of these mysterious security forces:

Afghan guards are often employed at coalition military bases across the country.

They are paid and trained by the US. While the guards are recognised by the Afghan government, they do not come under their command.

Locals often refer to these guards as Afghan special forces as they are well-trained and well-armed, our correspondent says... (link)

This description of the Afghan special forces seems roughly to correspond with descriptions of the forces which carried out the Toube massacre - which, to my knowledge, has only been covered in English by this blogger, the Telegraph (UK), and the Insitute for War and Peace Reporting. In Toube, Afghan and foreign special forces were said to have helicoptered into the village late at night and killed families in their homes.

Unionist

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/07/03/soldier-afghanistan.html][color... bomb kills Canadian soldier[/color][/url]

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A Canadian soldier was killed Friday in Afghanistan by a roadside bomb that [b]narrowly missed a vehicle carrying the commander of coalition troops in Kandahar[/b].

Cpl. Nick Bulger, 30, a member of Brig.-Gen. Jonathan Vance's tactical team, was travelling behind the general in Kandahar province when his light armoured vehicle struck an improvised explosive device at 11:20 a.m. local time.

Idiots can't even avoid roadside bombs. That's what happens when you have technology, but not popular support.

Then this - from a CBC interview the dead soldier gave two days ago:

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In an interview on Canada Day, Bulger told CBC he was hopeful about Afghanistan's future.

"[b]Especially when we're driving down the streets in the rural areas[/b], to look down into the eyes of the children that are there, you get a different perspective," Bulger said Wednesday.

 

Jingles

The children were watching and learning, all right. You deluded yourself to death.

Frmrsldr

Canadian commander Brig Gen Jonathan Vance in Kandahar province was a near thing. British Lt Col Rupert Thorneloe, commander of the Welsh Guards, in Helmand province, was not so lucky, however.

Looks like targeting NATO commanders (the highest U.S. rank to lead troops in the field is Lieutenant - so no 'big fish' there) is possibly the latest insurgent tactic.

Never underestimate the resourcefulness of the Afghan people.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/online/world/asia/article6626294.ece

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/04/world/europe/04russia.html?ref=todaysp... aids the imperialist assault on Afghanistan[/url]

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The Russian government has agreed to let American troops and weapons bound for Afghanistan fly over Russian territory, officials on both sides said Friday. The arrangement will provide an important new corridor for the United States military as it escalates efforts to win the eight-year war.

Unionist

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8134241.stm][color=red]Insurgents welcome Obama's fresh troops in true old-fashioned Afghan style[/color][/url]

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[b]Two US soldiers have been killed[/b] in an attack on a military base in the eastern Afghan province of Paktika.

The US military said the two died in a blast during the attack which [b]injured seven other US and two Afghan troops[/b].[...]

The US military called the attack on the base in Zirok "complex".

Nato said insurgents attacked the base with [b]multiple rockets and mortars, as well as small arms fire and "a vehicle-borne improvised explosive device"[/b]. [...]

Earlier, local officials said an attempted suicide lorry bombing of the base had sparked a [b]fierce two-hour gunbattle[/b].[...]

In other violence:

  • [b]seven Afghan policemen are killed[/b] by a roadside bomb in Kandahar province, the interior ministry says
  • [b]two Afghan soldiers are killed[/b] in a blast in Musa Qala district of Helmand province, the defence ministry says
  • Nato says [b]one of its soldiers was killed[/b] by a roadside bomb in the south on Friday [...]

 

The BBC's Bilal Sarwary in Kabul says local intelligence reports suggest [b]hundreds of Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters[/b] have crossed the border in recent weeks to fight Afghan and foreign forces.

The latest violence in Paktika follows the [b]capture by militants of an American soldier and three Afghans[/b] in the province on Tuesday.

 

Frmrsldr

I wouldn't be too concerned over Russian assistance to the U.S. in Afghanistan. Russia wants the U.S. to stay in Afghanistan for as long as possible. This war is payback for the CIA, ISI, Saudi and Iranian fuelled Soviet Afghan War. Russia is also assisting the Afghan insurgents. According to numerous Russian officers who are veterans of the Soviet Afghan war, the U.S. is making all the same mistakes they made. Russia wants this Afghan war to hurt the U.S. as much as possible.

The more the U.S. escalates the number of soldiers it sends to Afghanistan, the greater the number of insurgents escalate. The greater the level of violence in Afghanistan escalates, the greater the number of U.S., NATO and ISAF troop casualties will escalate.

Expect more Canadian soldiers to come home in body bags. Expect more physical and emotional casualties of war: The numbers of our injured (physically and emotionally) troops seems to be a state secret with our government, military and mainstream media.

Slumberjack

"A Canadian soldier who was injured in Afghanistan last month has died of his wounds in a Quebec City hospital, the military said Sunday." 

Canadian soldier wounded in Afghanistan dies

Fidel

Frmrsldr wrote:

I wouldn't be too concerned over Russian assistance to the U.S. in Afghanistan. Russia wants the U.S. to stay in Afghanistan for as long as possible. This war is payback for the CIA, ISI, Saudi and Iranian fuelled Soviet Afghan War. Russia is also assisting the Afghan insurgents. According to numerous Russian officers who are veterans of the Soviet Afghan war, the U.S. is making all the same mistakes they made. Russia wants this Afghan war to hurt the U.S. as much as possible.

And I think we can add warfiteering captains of military-industrial complex to that list of special interest groups. Bullets supplied to the Afghan mujahideen and mercenaries from 40 countries in the 1980s were said to cost US taxpayers $5 US bucks apiece then. I wonder what theyre going for now?

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Frmrsldr wrote:
I wouldn't be too concerned over Russian assistance to the U.S. in Afghanistan. Russia wants the U.S. to stay in Afghanistan for as long as possible. This war is payback for the CIA, ISI, Saudi and Iranian fuelled Soviet Afghan War. Russia is also assisting the Afghan insurgents. According to numerous Russian officers who are veterans of the Soviet Afghan war, the U.S. is making all the same mistakes they made. Russia wants this Afghan war to hurt the U.S. as much as possible.

The more the U.S. escalates the number of soldiers it sends to Afghanistan, the greater the number of insurgents escalate. The greater the level of violence in Afghanistan escalates, the greater the number of U.S., NATO and ISAF troop casualties will escalate.

Expect more Canadian soldiers to come home in body bags. Expect more physical and emotional casualties of war: The numbers of our injured (physically and emotionally) troops seems to be a state secret with our government, military and mainstream media.

This makes no sense to me at all.

Slumberjack

The poster means to put forth the notion that Russia's acceptance of weapon shipments over their territory speeds things along by design towards a similar conclusion with their own experiences in Afghanistan.  By assisting the Americans, it will apparently lead to an increase in offensive operations which will inexorably include Canadian troops, thereby causing an up tick in the Canadian casualty rate.  It's a bit of a stretch, to determine Russia's motivation in this regard, just as it is to surmise that the Harper government still feels it has a blank cheque, given the current mood in the country towards the war, to willingly ante up with more blood to assist with America's latest surge.

Frmrsldr

M. Spector wrote:

This makes no sense to me at all.

Reflect on it deeply, M. Spector. 122 Canadian soldiers didn't 'get' it either. And where are they? THEY ARE ALL DEAD!

 

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Slumberjack wrote:

It's a bit of a stretch, to determine Russia's motivation in this regard...

To say the very least, it's a "stretch"!

We're supposed to believe that the Russians want the NATO allies to lose in Afghanistan, and suffer maximum casualties to boot; and that in order to advance this aim, they suddenly agree to make it easier for the USA to move planes carrying lethal equipment and troops into Afghanistan, with "as many as 10 flights a day, or thousands a year over Russia".

And on top of that, we're supposed to believe that Frmlsldr sees through this devilish Russian strategy, whereas Barack Obomba and his military brainstrust do not?

If this is how Russia is helping the US to lose, imagine what they might be doing to help the Afghans win - now that they've supposedly forgiven the Afghans for kicking their military ass!

NDPP

Obama Arrives in Moscow for Summit

http://news.aol.com/article/obama-moscow-russia-summit/516965

"President Barack Obama opened his first Moscow summit with confidence on Monday, predicting "extraordinary progress" out of meetings.." The larger agenda may require cooperation for mutual benefit so watch for 'deals' to be struck. See below

Eurasian 'Diplomacy': NATO or PATO?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13291

"It appears the US genuinely wants the US to succeed in bringing Afghanistan to heel. Russia's ambassador to NATO, Dimitri Rogozin said recently, "we want to prevent the virus of extremism from crossing the borders of Afghanistan and take over other states in the region such as Pakistan. If NATO failed, it would be Russia and her partners that would have to fight against the extremists in Afghanistan." Rogozin proposes using the NATO-Russia Council to establish a security order stretching "from Vancouver to Vladivostok. Perhaps NATO could develop into PATO, a Pacific-Atlantic alliance."

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

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It appears that Russia genuinely wants the US to succeed in bringing Afghanistan to heel. Russia's Ambassador to NATO Dmitri Rogozin said recently, "We want to prevent the virus of extremism from crossing the borders of Afghanistan and take over other states in the region such as Pakistan. If NATO failed, it would be Russia and her partners that would have to fight against the extremists in Afghanistan." Rogozin proposes using the NATO-Russia Council to establish a security order stretching "from Vancouver to Vladivostok. Perhaps NATO could develop into PATO, a Pacific-Atlantic alliance."

Thanks for that link, NDPP. That makes a lot more sense than Frmrsldr's theory.

Fidel

I think that is one motive the Russians have for appearing to acquiesce to US military requests. The Russians know this is a phony war on terror and who's been supplying "al-Qa'eda" and Taliban with aid and weapons for many years. Another motive could be that if the Russians are observed to be cooperating in the phony war, then the US would appear to be doubly aggressive in surrounding Russia with ABM shield in Poland and Czech Republic. I think Afghanistan is bargaining chip for the Russians to some extent.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Nonsense. The Russians are on "our side" in the phony war on terror. They have their own muslim "problem" with the Chechens and they want to assure Western support for their suppression.

Fidel

M. Spector wrote:

Nonsense. The Russians are on "our side" in the phony war on terror. They have their own muslim "problem" with the Chechens and they want to assure Western support for their suppression.

I would tend to think so too if it wasnt for Putin's actions since about 2003 or so. A couple of years ago Putin called a press conference from his dacha somewhere in the Caucasus. And in his comments to the western press he basically accused the Bush gang of aiding and abetting anti-Russian terrorists from Turkey to Dagestan and Chechnya.

The Russians are on their own side. I cant imagine them ever being happy about welcoming NATO into their backyard. Frmrsldr is right in that Russia is but one Asian country that does not want anymore NATO incursions into central Asia. It should be remembered that SCO countries backed the former Tajik-Afghan leader Ahmed Shah Massood after the US CIA cut off his billion dollar funding in 1992, which was when Massood declared war on the Taliban. Massood switched sides to SCO by turn of the decade and was subsequently murdered by the Islamic wing of the CIA known as "al-Qa'eda"

And I cant find his post from some time ago, but rabble's Jerry West posted a link to a Scottish news agency's alleged interview over radio telephone with a former Taliban finance minister's comments about where funding was coming from for the Taliban in the mid-2000's. The former Taliban official mentioned countries like Jordan, UAE, and Russia more than likely. It's not whether you win the "great game" in any one decade but how you play over the long run.

NDPP

With respect to continuing US military activities in Afghanistan and elsewhere and this Russia-US summit, this too may be relevent:

De-Dollarization - Dismantling America's Financial/Military Empire

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13969

"The city of Yakaterinburg, Russia's largest east of the Urals, may become not only known as the death place of the tsars but of American hegemony too.."

ps the item cited by Fidelio

Russia funding resurgent Taliban

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Russia-funding-resurgent-Taliban.242...

Moscow should be quite a horse-trading session..

Unionist

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/world/asia/07afghan.html?hp][color=blue]7 U.S. soldiers killed today[/color][/url]

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8136468.stm][color=green]2 U.K. soldiers killed yesterday[/color][/url]

[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/5758136/Talib... launch counter operation against US[/color][/url]

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Yousef Ahmadi, a Taliban spokesman, said fighters had now responded with Operation Foladi Jal, or "iron net".

He said: "Their [U.S. Operation] Khanjar ["sword strike"] will get stuck in our Foladi Jal." "In this operation we'll teach them a lesson so they will never again dare to come into our areas."

"We will not engage them in front battles. We would rather hit them by mines and guerrilla attacks," he said.

ETA: Oh, and last but not least:

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/07/06/afghanistan-canadiansoldiers.ht... Canadian soldiers killed in "helicopter crash"[/color][/url]

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Two Canadians and a third soldier from the NATO coalition in Afghanistan died Monday in a helicopter crash that might have been caused by mechanical failure or human error, the Canadian military said. The Canadians were 38-year-old Master Cpl. Patrice Audet and 25-year-old Cpl. Martin Joannette. Three other Canadian soldiers, whose names weren't disclosed in keeping with military policy, were injured. Two of them have already returned to work while the third one was in stable condition. [...]

Vance described Audet as a "charismatic man who always knew the right words to put a smile on someone's face" and as a "big man with a gentle heart."

Joannette had a "heart of gold and a remarkable generosity," Vance said. "He was a proud and devoted infantryman who excelled in adversity."

I think they've hired better writers.

 

 

Frmrsldr

M. Spector wrote:

If this is how Russia is helping the US to lose, imagine what they might be doing to help the Afghans win - now that they've supposedly forgiven the Afghans for kicking their military ass!

Forgiveness has nothing to do with it. It is about the Russian state and the KGB (or whatever it calls itself now) using the Afghan insurgents and warlords just like the U.S. State Department and CIA used/still uses them. Its all about power, wealth, "strategic positioning", dominance and payback - realpolitik. In such a world, yesterday's enemy (if there is such a thing) is today's friend. Today's friend is tomorrow's enemy (adversry?). To think otherwise is naive.

The Afghans (and our soldiers) are just expendable pawns used by the powers in their great game to achieve their imagined, illusory, transitory and temporary ends that they think they want and try to convince us that we want.

Frmrsldr

NorthReport wrote:

War is all about lucrative defense department contracts, and everything else is just collateral damage.

We've lost sight of our goal in Afghanistan

 

These two statements contradict each other.

The real reason why we are in Afghanistan: Profit. This has never changed. It is for U.S. big oil to have the rights to explore and drill Afghan oil. It is for U.S. big oil and Haliburton to build the Trans Afghan Pipeline (TAP) from the oil rich Caspian Sea Basin region through Afghanistan, into Pakistan to the port of Karachi where the oil can be shipped to Western Europe and the Western Hemisphere. It is for the U.S. to have a permanent presence in the region to prevent Russian, Chinese and Indian oil companies from gaining rights and access to the region.

It is not in the interests of international arms industries for anyone to win in war. It is not in the interests of the arms industry for war to end. Profit is the arms industry's interest. The more wars there are and the longer they last, the better. Great Depression II? Never heard of it.

Any other explanation as to why we are in Afghanistan is just bullshit supplied by our so called 'democratically' elected sock puppet governments to 'sell' the war to a naive public that yearns to believe in a 'just' war and that our soldiers are dying for a good cause.

To quote Benjamin Franklin: "There is no such thing as a good war. Nor is there such a thing as bad peace."

NorthReport

Good article, but are any of the decision-makers listening? War is all about lucrative defense department contracts, and everything else is just collateral damage.

We've lost sight of our goal in Afghanistan

The thousands of US troops, backed by their British allies, who have fanned out into Helmand province are propelled by two equally flawed ideas. The first is that the Taliban can be defeated in a conventional sense. The second is that by displacing the Taliban's activities during the run-up to August's presidential election a political space can be created that will legitimise the corrupted Hamid Karzai government which the West has for so long, and so obviously, propped up.

If the campaign in Helmand appears purposeful at all, it is because we choose to make it seem so through a combination of how it is presented (depictions of military manoeuvres devoid of real meaning), and because for too long we have uncritically accepted that the end is achievable - in Gordon Brown's words, "democracy must win".

But the reality is that the war in Afghanistan is increasingly aimless and lacking in coherent strategy. Brown's notion that a strong Afghan state can be quickly forged is contradicted by the nature of the competition for power inside Afghanistan: between Kabul and the regions; between the Pashtu-speaking south and the rest of Afghanistan; and between weak state institutions and powerful social affiliations.

To "win" a war in Afghanistan requires that we know what winning might look like. Not the idealised picture imagined in distant western capitals, but an end state that would leave Afghanistan best equipped to deal itself with its own myriad internal challenges. This means a final burying of the rhetoric of "war on terror" and the idea that what happens in Afghanistan presents a serious security threat that challenges us in an existential way.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/05/editorial-afghanista...

Frmrsldr

Fidel wrote:

M. Spector wrote:

Nonsense. The Russians are on "our side" in the phony war on terror. They have their own muslim "problem" with the Chechens and they want to assure Western support for their suppression.

I would tend to think so too if it wasnt for Putin's actions since about 2003 or so. A couple of years ago Putin called a press conference from his dacha somewhere in the Caucasus. And in his comments to the western press he basically accused the Bush gang of aiding and abetting anti-Russian terrorists from Turkey to Dagestan and Chechnya.

The Russians are on their own side. I cant imagine them ever being happy about welcoming NATO into their backyard. Frmrsldr is right in that Russia is but one Asian country that does not want anymore NATO incursions into central Asia.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/07/07/obama-warns-russia-not-to-interfere-i...

Fidel

Frmrsldr wrote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/07/07/obama-warns-russia-not-to-interfere-i...

 

Obama declared the "days when empires could treat sovereign states as pieces on a chessboard are over." The United States currently has hundreds of military bases across the planet, and is engaged in massive wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama also warned the Russian government that the US would not tolerate "another Russian invasion of Georgia."

How can this be if Russia is on our side in the phony GWOT?? Now I'm confused!! Extreme ways are back again - Moby

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

The federal government is spending $5 billion to upgrade the Canadian army's combat vehicles, including improvements for its existing light armoured vehicle fleet.

- Canadian Press

 

But we don't have any money for municipal public transit, child care, UI, or health care improvements.

NDPP

and to a US based company too. What an despicable waste of public money that, as stated, could have gone towards real needs of people instead of the imperial war machine.

"General Dynamics Land Systems Canada, a unit of US based General Dynamics which developed the military's current fleet of LAVIIIs will work with the government to upgrade the current fleet."

Canada to Spend $5B

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090708/wl_canada_nm/canada_us_military_vehi...

Webgear

It is a Canadian company based out ouf Edmonton and London. It use to be a division of the GMC until about 2000.

The CAW must be happy, they are getting another big military contact. 

NorthReport

Barack McNamara Obama

Why Can't Obama See His Wars Are Unwinnable?

Though Errol Morris' film served as ipso facto indictment, its title was yet a kind of justification. There is no "fog of war." There is only hubris, stubbornness, and the psychological compartmentalization that allows a man to sign papers that will lead others to die before going home to play with his children.

McNamara is dead. Barack Obama is his successor.

-------------------------

 

In fairness to McNamara, it only took two years for him to call to an end of the bombing of North Vietnam. By 1966 he was advising LBJ to start pulling back. But, like a gambler trying to recoup and justify his losses, the president kept doubling down. "We didn't know our opposition," concluded McNamara. "So the first lesson is know your opponents. I want to suggest to you that we don't know our potential opponents today."

Actually, it's worse than that. Then, like now, we don't have opponents. We create them.

 

http://www.uexpress.com/tedrall/

NDPP

Webgear wrote:

It is a Canadian company based out ouf Edmonton and London. It use to be a division of the GMC until about 2000.

The CAW must be happy, they are getting another big military contact. 

NDPP

solidarity forever

same old contradictions...

Unionist

[size=20]OUCHHHH!![/size]

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/07/10/britain-afghanistan-deaths07100... British soldiers killed in Afghanistan: [/color][color=red]More than killed so far in Iraq[/color][/url]

Time to leave, lads!

 

Harumph

Unionist wrote:
Idiots can't even avoid roadside bombs. That's what happens when you have technology, but not popular support.

 

lol... That's like saying "idiots can't even avoid bullets".

 

Are you a little slow?  Know a lot about IEDs, do you? 

 

Stay in your lane - you sound like a fool. 

 

Fidel

So, Harumph, when are you shipping out for Afghanistan? Or are you one of those Canadians who stands behind our troops by several thousand kilometres?

Frmrsldr

Or one of those who is willing to defend his views on Afghanistan to the death - of other peoples' sons and daughters.

Unionist

Harumph wrote:

 

lol... That's like saying "idiots can't even avoid bullets".

Good point. Those cretins can'ts seem to avoid bullets either!

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Are you a little slow?

I'm a damn sight swifter than some of our fallen heroes, that's for sure.

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Know a lot about IEDs, do you?

Oh no, I'm no expert - I leave that to our Sunday drivers in Kandahar. As for the insurgents, they obviously spend many years in post-doctoral studies working out the intricacies of those high-tech IED weapons. We've only been in Afghanistan for 8 years - I figure at least another 20 or 30 years before we can even scratch the surface of their scholarship.

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Stay in your lane - you sound like a fool. 

If our soldiers stayed in their lane, they'd still be in Canada. Anyway, my point stands. Getting blown up year after year by home-made bombs which are always planted on the same roads is I believe the medical definition of stupidity.

thanks

this may be a useful moment to remind readers that, as with the NAFTA corridors of highway-oil/gas-hydro integrated transport, the ring road/highway/road system in Kandahar province is immediately beside the pipeline route- the highway lets our corporate  infrastructure giants access the region to build the pipeline, as well as build dams along the way to steal profits from the water coming out of the mountains, and access interior mining sites for exploration and extraction. 

ours and others' daughters and sons killed, and resources stolen for a few wealthy back pockets. 

but, we must finish that damn highway, mustn't we.

now that's stupid.

 

Unionist

thanks wrote:

but, we must finish that damn highway, mustn't we.

 

Yup. And with the insurgents doing the initial blasting work, you'd think the invaders would give them an occasional "thank you".

 

NorthReport

Oh, oh, the cracks are beginning to appear.

 

Brown has only one possible move that he could make to win the next election, and that is show some leadership, by pulling out, but does he have the brains to do it? Unfortunately, I doubt it

 

Revealed: Brown's secret plan to cut Afghanistan force by 1,500

 

 

Military chiefs condemn 'disastrous' move after Britain suffers bloodiest week

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-browns-secret-pla...

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

thanks wrote:

but, we must finish that damn highway, mustn't we.

 

Yup. And with the insurgents doing the initial blasting work, you'd think the invaders would give them an occasional "thank you".

According to Afghan Malalai Joya, it's likely that the stoogeocracy has thanked the insurgents already with sales of weapons and ammunition, granted passage rights through to the North for drug smugglers etc

Meanwhile just over the border, ordinary Pakistanis have fought bravely against the Taliban with or without help from the army. Community watch groups extraordinaire

 

Unionist

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