Green Party Supporters: What would it take, etc....part II

You double posted in between what i was responding to.

I am all for the  dollars per vote.

For the party and for the Independant if there is one running who won.

And so are millions for the party getting it, as opposed to corporate sponsorship to allow them top feed at the trough.

Machjo wrote:

That still dodn't answer my question. It was how will PR eliminate voting on tradition (i.e. voting for party X because granddad always voted for party X) or esthetics. If anything, it would likely entrench it further. Sure STV might be OK, because in theory party names could be eliminated from the ballot.

Youre asking how you yourself would convince Canadians to vote your way, ie. for independent candidates instead of voting for the sake of familiy tradition and for political parties as is the case in every first world nation that I can think of. But that's neither the topic of discussion of the thread nor does it have much to do with promoting personal choice in the matter. Your suggestion is just another form of strategic voting, albeit somewhat radical and highly doubtful it would lead to progressive change with respect to our dated electoral system.

 I was merely talking about the need for a modern electoral system that would actually give voters the tools to vote for Green Party candidates and be rewarded for their efforts based on proportional representation, a method used in dozens of first world advanced  democracies around the world for a long time. One person should equal one vote in a modern democracy. And that's not the case with our current obsolete electoral system, is all I was attempting to make clear. That's not good for progressive alternative political parties like the Greens. A vote for the NDP is a vote for advancing the case of democracy in our hewer and drawer, pretender to the G8 nation of Canada.

My guess is that if babblers weren't as informed as they are, then most of us would be part of the large non-voting Canadian public as well. After 140 years of old line party rule and paternalistic/dictatorial rule,  enthusiasm for democracy is on the wane in Canada. That wont be easy to undo.

Fidel wrote:

My guess is that if babblers weren't as informed as they are, then most of us would be part of the large non-voting Canadian public as well. After 140 years of old line party rule and paternalistic/dictatorial rule,  enthusiasm for democracy is on the wane in Canada. That wont be easy to undo.

But certainly highjacking the ballot on the part of parties does not help to reduce the number of spoilt ballots.

Spoiled ballots are a small percentage of the total. Most people who do make the effort to vote will not desire to waste their efforts. First-Past-the-Post already wastes millions of votes in federal and provincial elections as things stand now with our inefficient and obsolete voting method invented before electricity

We get one day every four years to protest that actually counts for anything, and most people who do cast a ballot on election day refuse to allow anyone else to speak for them on the one day that counts.

Long thread, peeps.