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Fidel

I vaguely even remember the slash. I remember Alan Eagleson's tirade with Guy Lapointe playing backup to the soap opera at one point. And Phil Esposito's slip on the ice in Moscow before the start of a game. Our players were supposed to be superior to the  products of communism then. How could they possibly play that well and not be overpaid symbols of capitalism? What could possibly be their incentive to play so well?  I remember the propaganda from our end of things suggesting they were being forced to play hard because their families were held hostage by evil Soviets, and that the evil commies broke Tretiak's legs so that he could perform inhuman acrobatics in goal, and some other stuff. Cold war, what was it good for?

Fidel

Tommy_Paine wrote:

Just reading that comment, Fidel, reminds me of something.  Didn't the league crack down on interference, hooking, slashing, etc.,  to allow the skill players to play?  Although the refs seemed to have pocketed their whistles to soe extent after game 4 or so, it still doesn't explain why the big guns were all shut down.

I guess even with the rule changes, the coaches have found ways to stop the skill players from exhibiting their skills.  Even scoring rates generally aren't what they used to be back in the good ol' days of clutch and grab hockey.

Reasons, anyone?

I thought the Caps-Penguins series was a thriller with the Crosby-Ovechkin run and gun shoot-out over seven games. But Detroit's puck control game coupled with the neutral zone trap was something else. They set the tone for this series in the first two games. What we saw, I think, was near-perfect hockey for most of this series. It wasnt that Malkin and Crosby played badly, it's that Detroit's style of play and the Zetterberg line coverage on Crosby and Malkin forced the Pens' plumbers to step in and provide just enough scoring, which  wasnt happening for the top line matchups on either team. The scorers were busy playing preventing the other team's top guys from scoring, and that forced the other lines to be creative, the kennedys and the Talbots, and then the odd Cleary goal or Staal coming up big short-handed. Tight series for sure.

It's easier to prevent goals than score them.  I think the NHL draft is deep with defensive talent this year for that reason. A lot of Habs fans are down on Bob Gainey for pursuing defensive agenda in Montreal, but I think its the most cost effective way to build a winner. Italian soccer fans, I believe, were wringing their hands for years similarly as the talented Azzurri stars held back and played defensive footie  resulting in 1-nil and 2-1 games. I'd like to see another Washington Caps-Pens series, or Bruins or Habs play the Pens next year. I think NHL teams will emphasize player conditioning more than ever and defensive play. And talented forwards will have to work on defensive play as well as the rapid *transition game. I think top scoring talent like Dany Heatley will find they arent as desired by the big name teams as they would like because they are defensive liabilities in the post season, or that brand new season every srping and that counts in sports history books. I think Heatley will be dealt to the Oilers or Kings. 

Tommy_Paine

I think you're probably right.  For those of us watching, um, "rebuilding" teams I guess while it's interesting who your team might pick first in the draft, the real indicators of the future are being picked on the fourth or fifth go round, or later.....

 

Maxime Talbot was picked in the eighth round by Pittsburgh in aught two, 234th overall.

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That is the way it goes in these playoff games. The unsung heros make it through the cracks, because so much effort is being put into silencing the big guns.

Shame I missed that game, i was doing some finishing work up until 10:00 o'clock and hit the bar just when the final cheer was going up, litterally. Sounded like a great last period, and the last minutes looked hair raising judging by the game highlights.

Tommy_Paine

It was great to watch, which is something coming from someone who didn't have a team to root for.  I guess the rule changes have accomplished one thing-- made me a hockey fan instead of a Leaf fan.

al-Qa'bong

Tommy_Paine wrote:

Now begins the highlight of the season for Leaf fans: the draft.

 

 

So do you think the Leaves will go after Brayden Schenn?  If they do, will they manage to get him? I think a brother act would be nice to see.  The last brothers from this area with a Leaf connexion were the Bentleys, who come from Deslisle, which is half an hour from Saskatoon.  Max's going to Toronto from Chicago helped turn the team around.

 

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What about Bobby Clarke's infamous slash on Valeri Kharlamov in the Summit Series?

 

One incident; 37 years ago. Big deal. A week before that a Swede jabbed his stick into Wayne Cashman's mouth, cleaving his tongue. See you at the smorgasbord.

Fidel

I know all about designated role players in hockey. In the 70's and 80's every team had at least one. So there's no need to explain who Cashman or Linseman or Probert, Lupien, or Grimson were or what the deal was with those guys.

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Tommy_Paine wrote:

It was great to watch, which is something coming from someone who didn't have a team to root for.  I guess the rule changes have accomplished one thing-- made me a hockey fan instead of a Leaf fan.

I was in the same boat. After game six I was happy to have a game 7. At this time of the year it doesn't matter who wins really, just as long as there is game 7 in the final.

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FYI, the knee on knee "check" on Malkin was by Helm. Re Franzen on  Crosby ... I don't see pinning a player's knee (whole leg actually, with knee exposed) to the boards as a "check" so much as an "assignment". I would like to know what words were exchanged between Franzen and Crosby during the handshakes. Seems at least one Detroit player bitched about Crosby missing a number of the handshakes, but who cares what the losers think?

One other dirty aspect of the playoffs that I objected to, and perhaps it's not just Detroit that was doing this, was the "kicking up" of the skates towards the face of opposing players. Malkin's face guard saved a nasty gash, and that wasn't the only time.

Don Cherry, commenting some years ago on the hit by Scott Stevens (who, himself, was concussed into retirement) on Eric Lindros had some wise words:

"In the regular season, they hit to hurt. In the playoffs, they hit to take you out."

 

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al-Qa'bong

I have a cassette of that Bach toccatta that I play every Hallowe'en.

 

I think the Arabian Suite from Grieg's Pier Gynt would sound cool on an arena organ.

 

Bup ba - bup bup ba, bu bap bup BA BA BA BA!

al-Qa'bong

Is anyone following the  NHL draft?

 

I was hoping that the Leaves would be able to draft Luke Schenn's little brother, but the Kings got to him first.

 

The Leafs picked a 2nd generation Lebanese guy from London, Ontario.

Fidel

I wished Victor Hedman good luck over the phone yesterday. I guess the Islanders were keen on Tavares though.

500_Apples

Bob Gainey has rounded out our prospect pool by drafting 5 centers, a RW, a D-man and a goalie. We are now deep at every position.

Fidel

I've got my fingers crossed for Gainey. He's got something like $30M to blow shopping for some good hands at centre or even a dishmeister. I think Komisarek will find a new team. Cry

500_Apples

Gainey mortgaged our team's future today by taking on an 8 million dollar cap hit and yielding a future franchise dman and an excellent 2-way forward in Higgins.

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Hopefully the leafs can snag Cammalleri from the flames. i feel like hoping for the sedin twins might be a bit too ambitious. 

Still can't believe Heatley is going to edmonton and scott gomez is headed to montreal. ugh.

Fidel

I'm in Ottawa, and the newspapers say Heatley has vetoed the deal and doesnt wanna go to Edmonton. Can you believe it?

Tommy_Paine

The Leafs picked a 2nd generation Lebanese guy from London, Ontario.

Yes, Nazem Kadri.  His skill seems to be in setting up the goal scorer, and he did a good job doing so for Taveres last year with the Knights.

Not taking anything away from Kadri, as a GM I might have selected Ryan Ellis over Kadri, though Burke did load up on American deffencemen in subsequent rounds.  And, the American college system seems to do a good job developing offensively skilled deffencemen. 

Note Burke stayed entirely away from European talent.

As for the Brothers Sedin, I think if Burke goes public saying he wants dearly to sign them, it's a good bet that he doesn't really, and has his eye on someone else.

What the Leafs sorely need is a Marquee player that can lead by example, score, backcheck, forecheck and be a "spark plug". 

Unfortunately, such players don't exactly grow on trees.

 

Ah, looks like the Sedin's have re-signed with Vancouver. 

Burke is likely after goalie Gustafsson,  and lunch bucket guys Manny Malhotra, Sami Pahlsson, Todd Marchant,  Colton Orr and Chris Neil.

 

All in all, looks like another season with the Leafs going with four third lines.....

 

 

 

Fidel

Habs picked up blue liner Jaroslav Spacek from the Sabres.

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[url=http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=12421.html?cid=rsstsn]Hockey Canada unveils men's camp invites[/url]

 

Seriously, what does Marc Savard have to do to get an invite?

Scout

And why did they invite Dany Heatley?!

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Scout wrote:
And why did they invite Dany Heatley?!

Hopefully not to drive the bus.

Caissa

Send Heatley back to Atlanta.

Fidel

Scott Piatkowski wrote:

[url=http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=12421.html?cid=rsstsn]Hockey Canada unveils men's camp invites[/url]

 

Seriously, what does Marc Savard have to do to get an invite?

How much should I wager that he'll demand a trade soon?

Tommy_Paine

 

I think Heatley has made himself a pesona non grata in the NHL with his latest antics.  By rejecting or delaying the trade, Heatley gained a four million dollar bonus from Ottawa.  

Heatley is going to stay in Ottawa until his contract runs out, and then he might be lucky to get a job playing in Europe. 

If he plays at all.

Meanwhile, back in Toronto, Burke picked up Carlton Orr, and from the Habs, tough deffenceman Mike Komisarek.

"If you can't beat 'em in the alley, you can't beat 'em on the ice."

And, they dealt Kubina to Atlanta for Exelby and Stuart, another pair of paluka's.

Which means there is only one team who will be looking forward to games at the ACC this year. For a change, it'll be the Leafs.

Caissa

Does Heatley appreciate how lucky he is not to be sitting in a USian jail cell? I think Ottawa should let him sit and sit and sit...

Tommy_Paine

 

It could turn out that there might be some team desperate enough to take Heatley.  Seems there almost always is.  But, if Ottawa moves him it'll be for a song.  I mean, teams still hire Mike Keenan who weaseled out of his Rangers contract in a way that I thought would make him an untouchable.  And Sean Avery is still playing.  

I guess to move Heatley you need a franchise that has a deep history of making questionable deals.  Some team dumb enough to follow up things like, I dunno, trading away Phil Esposito, or letting Bobby Hull get away, or signing Marion Hossa to a twelve year deal.

Call it the Wirtz Case Senario.

 

Caissa

Love the pun.

Maybe Bobby Clarke would have him?

Tommy_Paine

Ottawa made it clear last night that whoever takes Heatley is going to have to pick up the four million bonus.

Maybe a team like the Hawks, who feel close to having a contending team would pick up Heatley.  Then again, Heatley has the no trade clause. 

Ottawa has a very sticky wicket on their hands.  I can't imagine they want Heatley in the dressing room, ridding the bench or not, through next season.

They're going to have to bite the bullet and give this guy away.

 

al-Qa'bong

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...or signing Marion Hossa to a twelve year deal

 

I saw that on the ticker on the NHL Network last night and thought it must have been a typo.

Did Chicago hire some ex-members of the Leafs' management team?

 

 

So, is that Mike Komisarek guy any good?  I read that he's supposed to be tough, but I haven't noticed him much in any games.  There must be something wrong with him, though, or he wouldn't have left Montréal who, according to what I've read on babble, has the greatest collection of athletes ever to be assembled.

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al-Qa'bong wrote:

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...or signing Marion Hossa to a twelve year deal

 

I saw that on the ticker on the NHL Network last night and thought it must have been a typo.

Did Chicago hire some ex-members of the Leafs' management team?

It gets better. It seems that they failed to properly file qualifying offers for a bunch of players -- including Cam Barker and Kris Versteeg -- so now they are likely to be faced with a choice of paying the market value for them (which, given what they're paying Campbell and Hossa, they may be unable to do) or losing them as UFAs.

Tommy_Paine

I saw that on the ticker on the NHL Network last night and thought it must have been a typo.

Yes, I thought the same.  In fact, before I made that  post about Hossa, I  double checked it at the NHL site.

Now, with Scott's news, it makes one wonder about Chicago.

We might want, with good reason, to use the example of the Harold Ballard era in Toronto as the worst way to manage a sports franchise.  However, all during that time Bill Wirtz in Chicago was working much the same corner as Ballard.  I had hoped his son might bring that storied franchise out of that mold, but it seems not.

al-Qa'bong

Good news; the Leafs signed Francois Beauchemin to a three-year deal.  He was the only UFA that I thought the Leafs should have gone after...and they got him.

 

 

 

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2009/07/06/10042931-sun.html

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:
So, is that Mike Komisarek guy any good?  I read that he's supposed to be tough, but I haven't noticed him much in any games.  There must be something wrong with him, though, or he wouldn't have left Montréal who, according to what I've read on babble, has the greatest collection of athletes ever to be assembled.

 

Like Guy Lapointe once said about the Leafs: Theyve been nothing since 67, so who cares?

al-Qa'bong

What exactly are you so bitter about?  Given that the Leafs have been bottom-feeders for so long one would think that they couldn't cause anyone to react the way you do.

 

Anyway, which is a bigger loss to the Habs, Komisarek or Kovalev?  Whatever the case, I'm not sure that the Senators have gained much.

 

I heard a brief interview of Beauchemin a few minutes ago. This guy could be the difference.  As was the case with Marcel Pronovost and Sylvain Lefebvre, the Leafs need a French-Canadian on the blueline as one of the prerequisites for playoff success. I wonder what Johnny Bower is doing these days.

 

 

Fidel

Komisarek can play rough when he wants to. He has been known to use his size for clearing away traffic infront of Price and Halak and is a decent shot blocker. Leafs will need an enforcer though as other teams will tend to want to lure Komi into the sin bin to nullify his defensive play on the ice. 

I'm not so sure size means all that much anymore. I know Don Cherry has said the Habs are too small up front before. But look at Lidstrom and Chelios, Zetterberg and Datsyuk - 5'11" on average and prolly well under 200lbs by end of the season.

Leafs should be a different team this year for sure. Same with the Habs. Some Habs fans are pretty upset about losing Kovalev, Komi etc. I just cant imagine what theyre thinking. It's not like Gainey just blew up the 56-60 Habs team, or the 1970's dynastic Habs with Lafleur, Shutt and Cournoyer. Like Gainey said, Habs just got younger and faster. I think we'll see some good hockey in Montreal and Toronto soon.

al-Qa'bong

Well, he ain't Johnny Bower, but the Leafs signed who the hockey scribblers call "The Monster."

 

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Gustavsson, who played with Farjestad of the Swedish Elite League, was in hot pursuit by four NHL teams. Burke may have sealed the deal by visiting the Monster personally this past week.

 

Calling this "scribbling" may be too kind. Gustavsson was hardly "in hot pursuit," as from what Brian Burke said, he was sitting back and coolly letting others come to him. I guess if they weren't (ab)used so often, they wouldn't be called sports clichés.

 

I saw Bobby Orr on Don Cherry's "Grapevine" the other day say that hockey is one sport where a little guy can do well. I wouldn't argue with Bobby Orr, but I remember feeling like a pygmy as a 5' 11" 170 lb defenceman trying to cover a 6' 3" 210 lb forward in front of the net. I'd just bounce off those guys when I tried to push them out of the way, so I did what I could to tie up their sticks.

Fidel

That's a bad situation with big forwards planted in front of the net. But how fast are those big forwards at sudden changes in play going the other way? 170-190 pounders should blow the doors off 'em with a fast transition game and good puck movement. It's why everyone thinks Heatley's overrated. Sure he's got the touch around the net, but he's a liability going the other way. One dimensional forward with a gift for finding the back of the net and comes at a premium.

 

As far as D-men go, that's what I like about Markov - he isnt real big but he can handle the puck in his own end and everywhere else he needs to.

 

[url=http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=424139&cmpid=rss-wigge]Nightmare on Helm Street[/url] Darren Helm 5'11" 175lbs soaking wet.

al-Qa'bong

This isn't news, but Burnaby Joe retired.  I'm a Leafs fan, but Joe Sakic has been my favourite NHL player since Wendel Clark hung up the blades.  Not since Jean Beliveau has there been a player of comparable skill and class in hockey.

Caissa

In a surprising move, the Chicago Blackhawks have fired general manager Dale Tallon on Tuesday, according to multiple local news sources.

The firing comes a couple of months after the Blackhawks made it to the Western Conference final for the first time since 1995.

Replacing Tallon in the GM spot will reportedly be his assistant, Stan Bowman.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2009/07/14/sp-hockey-blackhawks-ta...

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By my calculations, his failure to file qualifying offers properly cost the team about twelve million dollars. In most jobs, that's a firing offense. Maybe he can find work on Wall Street. They'd hire him and give him a bonus every time he screwed up.

Fidel

[url=http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/2009/08/05/10373986-sun.html]Judge keeps Balsillie's hopes alive[/url]

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Wednesday, in a stunning determination, U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Redfield T. Baum, who has deftly avoided any kind of controversy in this case, ordered that Balsillie's offer for the Coyotes will be considered when the club is put up for auction on Sept. 10. . .

 

The NHL's preferred bid for the Coyotes is the one headed by Chicago sportsman, Jerry Reinsdorf, who is heading up a group, although we are told none of his own money is involved with the bid, which would see the team remain in Phoenix.

 

The Reinsdorf offer, like Balsillie's offer, like a still unofficial third offer from the Ice Edge Holdings group, is conditional.

 

Reinsdorf's conditions include serious handouts from local government in Glendale, Ariz., some to the tune of $23 million US a year, which have been privately negotiated and not put before City Council or the local taxpayers.

 

That kind of political deftness may not pass the local smell test

 

Michelle

I'm sorry, but you're not allowed to talk about hockey in August.  That's it.

(Kidding, kidding.)

a) Who's the moron who thought that hockey would be popular IN THE DESERT?

b) I hope he gets the team and moves them to Hamilton!  Maybe Leafs ticket prices will go down. :)

marzo

"Who's the moron who thought hockey would be popular in the desert?"

I think It's Bettman and the rest of the NHL board. An NHL team in Hamilton would seem to be a no-brainer. It has an adequate population base, a lot of local enthusiasm for hockey, and an arena that only needs some minor renovations.

It's ridiculous that there are all those money-losing teams in the southern USA where they don't know or care about hockey. Bettman and his crew of ridiculous yes-men aren't even competent businessmen, they are flighty, irrational, silly schoolboys and what's even worse, they are anti-Canadian.

If they had any brains at all, they would accept Balsillie's bid and also get those money-losing teams out of Dixieland and into  markets that make some kind of business sense, like Winnipeg and Quebec. 

Caissa

I hope the judge sticks it to Bettmman and all of the sycophant owners. I'm trying to determine precisely the terms of my NHL boycott if balsillie and hamilton don't end up with the team.

marzo

Not only will the judge stick it to Betman and the rest of those toadying hangers-on, so are the creditors lining up to get what they are owed by this bankrupt team.  This morning, on CBC radio I heard that the contractor who worked on the floors at the Phoenix arena is still waiting to be paid.

The issue here is that Balsillie pissed on Betman's front yard so Betman feels threatened by this challenge to his dominance of the NHL. Betman is obsessed, he can't let go of this irrational need to get even with Balsillie. Sigmund Freud would have called this 'castration anxiety', but however you look at it, it's just plain crazy. 

Paul Henry Dallaire

Sid the kid's Stanley Cup is just another Trojan Horse of the Americas. Thank You all you hockey fans for making me feel so Canadien.

Tommy_Paine

The idea to plant franchises across the southwestern U.S., in fact having a franchise in every major U.S. market was a strategy the NHL board of governors bought into when they hired Bettman, who saw this strategy employed successfully with the NBA. 

It's a model that's worked for every other American game.  Not so much for foriegn games like tennis (remember that?) soccer (real sport?  honestly?) or hockey.  (yes, the greatest game, but not American)

As much as we all love to hate Gary Bettman, I think he's done his job to his honest ability, that is to make the NHL as successfull a business as he can.  And, (damn this hurts)  for the most part he's succeeded.

And, if there's still some wind in your sails about those big bad Americans keeping poor Hamilton from having a franchise because we're stinkin' Canadians, here's a becalming fact.

Hamilton doesn't have a franchise because the Leafs have been-- contrary to business laws (but who really acknowledges them, eh Drabinsky?)  vetoeing every attempt that Hamilton has made.

So, don't hate Gary Bettman.

Hate the Ontario Teachers Pension fund.  Your teachers are the ones being so anti Canadian.

 

 

 

Fidel

If a Canadian billionaire can't bring a hockey team back to Canada, then who is able to?

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