Dana Larsen has NDP convention credentials revoked - II

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Bookish Agrarian wrote:
But apparently, according to you, the only issue that matters and makes you a progressive is whether someone can shoot smack in the foodcourt at your local mall.

Not only is this a gross caricature of any legalization position stated by Dana or in this thread, it is extremely insensitive and ignorant of addict culture. It should be retracted.

Bookish Agrarian

Who's slandering you.  You seem to think the NDP is shaking in their boots afriad of Larsen's views and you have been publicly supporting them.  That is the logical outcome of what he is proposing. 

Frankly the likelihood any of it would ever pass makes your pretence at some organized conspiracy laughable and only worthy of contempt.

 

You sure can dish it out, but you sure can't take it.

Who'se a gwood whittle snookums.

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What's wrong with you, BA?

Bookish Agrarian

Catchfire wrote:

Bookish Agrarian wrote:
But apparently, according to you, the only issue that matters and makes you a progressive is whether someone can shoot smack in the foodcourt at your local mall.

Not only is this a gross caricature of any legalization position stated by Dana or in this thread, it is extremely insensitive and ignorant of addict culture. It should be retracted.

Oh bs.

It is not at all insensitive to addicts.  It makes no judgement at all about addicts or anyone else besides the ridiculous consiracy claims people are making. 

Nor is is a misstatement of Larsens views, maybe a simplification, but not a misstatement. 

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I haven't said a single thing in relationship to the issues that Dana is addressing. I have not mentioned heroin once in this thread, or the proceeding one. In fact, I bet you could google search this board and not find my nickname associated with the word heroin, or its legalization. I will now say something on that: Its not something I am particularly interested in, except to note that a very good friend of mine died of an heroin overdose, and a number of aquaintances of mine.

But please, make an ass of yourself, go on. Show me how much you, an NDP member, cares about the consequences of drug addiction and its treatment.

 

Caissa

I see only two options for the timing of the two events 1) intention, 2) incompetence.

Bookish Agrarian

Catchfire wrote:

What's wrong with you, BA?

I am sick to death of people who call themselves progressive but spend all of their time running down the one political party in Canada that, as imperfect as it is, has consistently fought for progressive values.  I am sick to death of that party being treated like it is the Great Satan and that those of us who decide to channel our activism through the NDP are comtemptable human beings.  I am sick to death of people who glorify the working class in theory but have nothing but hate for those who actually are working class.  I am sick to death of people who think they can tell others what progressive means and can define who is and isn't a progressive.

 

 

Caissa

And is that what people are doing my questioning the Party's action towards Dana?

That is certainly not my intent.

HeywoodFloyd

Bookish Agrarian wrote:

Catchfire wrote:

What's wrong with you, BA?

I am sick to death of people who call themselves progressive but spend all of their time running down the one political party in Canada that, as imperfect as it is, .....

Good first step. Admitting that one has a problem is the first step.....so to speak.

I wonder though what you find imperfect about the NDP, if this isn't an example.

 

Doug

Snert wrote:
Don't rule out the possibility that he was totally baked and thought he saw a giant cookie or something. Surprised

One of the larger MPs might have been eaten! Of course they had to keep him out. Laughing

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Yeah! "Progressive" is just what you make of it. Peace love and candy all around.

Bookish Agrarian

Cueball wrote:

I haven't said a single thing in relationship to the issues that Dana is addressing. I have not mentioned heroin once in this thread, or the proceeding one. In fact, I bet you could google search this board and not find my nickname associated with the word heroin, or its legalization. I will now say something on that: Its not something I am particularly interested in, except to note that a very good friend of mine died of an heroin overdose, and a number of aquaintances of mine.

But please, make an ass of yourself, go on. Show me how much you, an NDP member, cares about the consequences of drug addiction and its treatment.

 

I am sorry to hear about your friend.

If however, you think I know or care nothing about what soul-destroying addiction can do you are completely wrong. 

You continue to make the case that the NDP is boot shaking afraid of Larsen and so has to pull out all the undemocratic stops.  Others have confused his support for an issue with what occured with his offer to pay peoples expenses if they would support his cause.  What I stated is the esscence of what he is proposing, not simply legalization of substances like hash and pot, which makes yours and others claims ridiculous.

However, what seems to be the reality is that you can't stand a little push back and much prefer to have the floor all to yourself to continue to push your meme that the NDP is the greatest evil of our time.

Bookish Agrarian

HeywoodFloyd wrote:

Bookish Agrarian wrote:

Catchfire wrote:

What's wrong with you, BA?

I am sick to death of people who call themselves progressive but spend all of their time running down the one political party in Canada that, as imperfect as it is, .....

Good first step. Admitting that one has a problem is the first step.....so to speak.

I wonder though what you find imperfect about the NDP, if this isn't an example.

 

I've pointed out shortcomings at length in other threads.  I won't do it here as this thread has gone off the rails already being nothing but an excuse to invent wild conspiracy theories about the NDP.

Want to have one where I point our the problems with each party.  Guess which party's list will be much longer though Heywood?

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Bookish Agrarian wrote:

Cueball wrote:

I haven't said a single thing in relationship to the issues that Dana is addressing. I have not mentioned heroin once in this thread, or the proceeding one. In fact, I bet you could google search this board and not find my nickname associated with the word heroin, or its legalization. I will now say something on that: Its not something I am particularly interested in, except to note that a very good friend of mine died of an heroin overdose, and a number of aquaintances of mine.

But please, make an ass of yourself, go on. Show me how much you, an NDP member, cares about the consequences of drug addiction and its treatment.

 

I am sorry to hear about your friend.

If however, you think I know or care nothing about what soul-destroying addiction can do you are completely wrong.

You really didn't seem to be of that temperament when you were alleging that I advocate for shooting up heroin in public shopping malls.

Care to appologize for that?

As for heroin, my impression is that it is soul numbing not soul destroying. People who have done it that I know suggest it induces as state of not caring. But everything you say about drugs is a a bit of a pastiche, so that can be forgiven,

Caissa

When I say the timing was either intentional or incompetent I am not alleging a conspiracy. If it's the former I would call that being strategic.

Bookish Agrarian

Cueball wrote:

You really didn't seem to be of that temperament when you were alleging that I advocate for shooting up heroin in public shopping malls.

Care to appologize for that?

As for heroin, my impression is that it is soul numbing not soul destroying. People who have done it that I know suggest it induces as state of not caring. But everything you say about drugs is a a bit of a pastiche, so that can be forgiven,

Oh becuase you never make people feel you have unfairly characterized their views.

And I wasn't talking about what the sensation of shooting up feels like - rather what it does to their lives.  Having spent time helping people who lives and souls were destroyed by things like herion and meth I think I have just as good an idea as you thanks and don't need the smarmy lecture.

Bookish Agrarian

Caissa wrote:

And is that what people are doing my questioning the Party's action towards Dana?

That is certainly not my intent.

Never said you did.

Anyone that feels this is wrong is entitled to their opinion.  There are strong points on either side.  I don't find the support for Larsen ones compelling, but I can see where people are coming from. 

However, this stupid conspiracy stuff is idiotic and it treats those of us who legitimately believe that what Larsen did was  very seriously wrong as if we are somehow faux progressives.

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Michelle

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