Investigation into treatment of Dana Larson and the marijuana resolution needed

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Sat, 2009-08-29 16:02

Unionist

madmax wrote:

1,000kms or 1,000 mm just a small trivial error.... LOL, Good to see her at Jacks Left. I find her interesting and articulate from what I have seen on television. Obviously, like any forum, people hear things or make mistakes. There is little doubt now, Libby Davies was present at the convention.

She was present for that picture, whenever it was taken, but she was [url=http://www.libbydavies.ca/blog/2009/08/14/700-tunnels][color=blue]thousands of km away on August 14[/color][/url], when the convention had already begun:

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[b]Now we begin the long drive back across the Sinai Peninsula and over the Suez Canal, back into Cairo, back to Amman, back to London, and finally to Halifax, [i]where the NDP Convention is already underway.[/i][/b]

Unless Libby's mixed up or lying, of course. Mind you, she'll have a fair chance to defend herself against those charges, along with Dana, when the time comes.

Sat, 2009-08-29 16:10

#103

NDPP

more drift by way of reminding why this issue is important:

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"Marilyn Holsten's last days on Earth were a living hell.."

Sat, 2009-08-29 16:13

#104

Bookish Agrarian

remind wrote:

What? Are you saying Bill is a hyprocrit, or not religious, or that Bill and Libby are not great MP's, BA? ;)

No I am speaking of the total BS some are spreading in this thread, such as was corrected above my post and is now being rationalized above this post in 101.

Sat, 2009-08-29 16:16

#105

Unionist

remind wrote:

What? Are you saying Bill is a hyprocrit, or not religious, or that Bill and Libby are not great MP's, BA? ;)

Hey remind, I don't get your post - are you saying that Bill and Libby are both Bachelors of Arts?

Sat, 2009-08-29 16:47

#106

Coyote

Thank you for that link, Unionist. It should clear up any absurd and unsubstantiated claims that Libby was sent anywhere against her will, or to keep her from Convention or for [url=http://www.libbydavies.ca/blog/2009/08/14/700-tunnels]any reason other than her own sense of duty to the people of Gaza[/url]. Her days in the party stretch long, and honourably, before her. I'm sure you would agree.

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I must also thank CODE PINK for their wonderful help in organizing this mission. Kim, Ehab, Jase, and Sara, are terrific travel companions. This was their second, and for some, 3rd time to Gaza. They did what DFAIT wouldn't do in Gaza, they supported our mission, made it work, got us in and out safely, and paid their own way and expected no thanks, other than a hope that this mission will draw attention and that we'll keep the pressure up. We will.

Sat, 2009-08-29 16:52

#107

Unionist

Coyote wrote:

Thank you for that link, Unionist. It should clear up any absurd and unsubstantiated claims that Libby was sent anywhere against her will, or to keep her from Convention or for [url=http://www.libbydavies.ca/blog/2009/08/14/700-tunnels]any reason other than her own sense of duty to the people of Gaza[/url]. Her days in the party stretch long, and honourably, before her. I'm sure you would agree.

I find the timing of her trip curious (as did many in the anti-prohibition movement prior to the convention), but I fully agree as to her integrity and her courageous support for the Palestinian cause. I'm still concerned that if she continues to push her principled views on various issues, which have become clearly at variance with the inner circle's electoral policy, her days are numbered. Bill Siksay has already been disciplined, and we know what happened to Svend. I'm confident that whatever gives, it won't be her integrity.

Sat, 2009-08-29 16:55

#108

Bookish Agrarian

I find the timing of her trip curious (as did many in the anti-prohibition movement prior to the convention),

So you are still making the claim that anyone could push Libby Davies out of the way and she would have remained as quiet as a church mouse. Absurd, but all too beleivable..

Sat, 2009-08-29 16:58

#109

Coyote

Re: "curious timing". Do you suppose Brad Lavigne conspired with [url=http://www.codepink4peace.org/]Code Pink[/url] to keep Libby away from Convention?

Nah, that would be absurd. [b]Especially[/b] given her presence at Convention (the picture is from the third day). I mean, who conspires to send someone thousands of miles away from somewhere, but doesn't ensure that they aren't able to attend?

No one would believe that. That would just be too absurd.

As absurd as suggesting that the House Leader and Co-Deputy Leader of the NDP is somehow on thin ice with the party.

And that truly is absurd, as I'm sure you would agree.

Sat, 2009-08-29 17:00

#110

Coyote

We cross-posted BA. How absurd! lol

Sat, 2009-08-29 17:02

#111

Debater

remind wrote:

... it is obvious the NDP killed it themselves, and they won't be actioning it anytime soon.

Oh well, it will be sweet to see the NDP back down to 12 or less seats.

Well this post will be a bit different - normally I have to point out when you are underestimating Liberal strength, but this time I have to point it out about the NDP. Do you really think that the NDP is going to be reduced to only 12 seats? There is little danger of that happening in the next election, and certainly not because of Dana Larsen who 99% of people haven't heard of. You may have decided not to vote NDP because of it, but it's not going to be something that effects many other voters other than those on this thread. Stockholm is right.

The NDP may lose some seats in the next election to the Liberals and a few to the Conservatives, but to suggest that they are going to collapse back to pre-2004 levels of support is not realistic.

Sat, 2009-08-29 17:41

#112

Erik Redburn

I don't give a flying fig about BUzz Hargove, but thats not what this is about. Dismissing this as something that only concerns the poliotical margins doesn't fly when you start getting onetime supporters turning on the heat, and even the MS media the party is courting uses it against you. The main issue to me is the lack of inner-party democracy that was on open display here.

Sat, 2009-08-29 17:52

#113

Erik Redburn

Debater wrote:

remind wrote:

... it is obvious the NDP killed it themselves, and they won't be actioning it anytime soon.

Oh well, it will be sweet to see the NDP back down to 12 or less seats.

Well this post will be a bit different - normally I have to point out when you are underestimating Liberal strength, but this time I have to point it out about the NDP. Do you really think that the NDP is going to be reduced to only 12 seats? There is little danger of that happening in the next election, and certainly not because of Dana Larsen who 99% of people haven't heard of. You may have decided not to vote NDP because of it, but it's not going to be something that effects many other voters other than those on this thread. Stockholm is right.

The NDP may lose some seats in the next election to the Liberals and a few to the Conservatives, but to suggest that they are going to collapse back to pre-2004 levels of support is not realistic.

I think remind was just expressing a personal wish there. Their support won't entirely collapse over this, obviously not, but if this trend of turning on their own activist base continues (which it most definietly will if other members don't start calling the brass on it) then the party is in trouble.

Unlike the Liberals and CONs the NDP still relies on their activists between and during elections, and their voting base is still well ahead of John Q Public on such things -a base that is still their single largest demographic, by far. (that was probably obscured during the nineties, Layton just brought them back a bit closer to their historic norm) Guys like Stockholm no more reflects the average NDPer than, well, Fidel does. I'm quite sure that I'm closer to the average NDP centre on most issues.

Guys with more foresight than Layton better start looking beyond the next election, or their present illusions that theyre on the verge of winning it all.

Sat, 2009-08-29 18:19

#114

Erik Redburn

"Resolutions don't matter anyways, so people like Dana Larsen and the Socialist Caucus should stop wasting their and everyone else's time by introducing any resolutions in the first place? If resolutions don't carry any weight - why are these people so obsessed with getting resolutions on their pet issues voted on in the first place???"

And to get this back on track, at one time I would have put this down as just another Stockholm-ism but now I'm not so sure.

Sat, 2009-08-29 18:21

#115

remind

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