Omar Khadr was waging aggressive and illegal war? Omar Khadr wasn't living in Afghanistan at the time he was captured? Omar Khadr was a "mercenary"?
You make a great advocate for the prosecution of Omar Khadr. You don't belong here. Kindly fuck off.
Bring Omar Khadr home and set him free! Part 2
Tue, 2009-09-08 23:00
#102
M. Spector
Tue, 2009-09-08 23:30
#103
Khadr's parents didn't torture and abuse him. That was the US government. I am at a loss to understand why you insist on blaming his parents for the treatment he received at the hands of the Americans.
You don't seem to grasp the fact that Khadr was in Afghanistan [i]before[/i] the US invastion. They brought the war to him, not vice versa.
Tue, 2009-09-08 23:35
#104
We can be sure that it's every parent's obligation to provide their kids with as good a CIA-funded religious indoctrination at a Central Asian madrassa of their choosing. Just ask US whistleblower Sibel Edmonds.
Wed, 2009-09-09 01:08
#105
Omar Khadr was waging aggressive and illegal war? Omar Khadr wasn't living in Afghanistan at the time he was captured? Omar Khadr was a "mercenary"?
Where do I make that argument? That's your argument my friend, not mine:
Omar's father was Egyptian, his mother is Palestinian-Canadian. They are NOT Afghans "defending" their "homes" and their country ... it is wrong for other foreign mercenaries like al-Qaeda and the Khadr adults to wage illegal and aggressive war.
If you lived in Afghanistan in 2001 wouldn't you want your teenage son to know how to use a weapon?I know I would
Every child ... in Afghanistan has been "in harm's way" since the war started in 2001. It's not their parents' fault. And the smart ones know how to use a weapon; it could save their lives.
You make a great advocate for the prosecution of Omar Khadr.
What part of my argument: ....
Premise 1: Persons who lack free will cannot be held accountable for having committed a crime.
Premise 2: Persons who lack mental competence do not have free will.
Premise 3: A child is a person.
Premise 4: A child is a person who lacks mental competence.
Premise 5: A child is a person who lacks mental competence and free will.
Premise 6/Subconclusion: A child is a person who cannot be held accountable for having committed a crime.
Premise 7: Omar Khadr is a person.
Premise 8: Omar Khadr was a child when he was detained by U.S. soldiers.
Conclusion: Because Omar Khadr was a child, lacked mental competence and free will, he therefore cannot be held accountable for the charges arraigned against him by the U.S. military commission.
.... do you not understand or choose to ignore?
Your argument has always been:
Premise 1: If Omar's parents are guilty of indoctrinating Omar into a child soldier,
Conclusion: then Omar is guilty of being a soldier and murdering and conspiring to commit murder and terrorism and conspiring to commit terrorism and therefore his imprisonment and torture is justified etc.
Your the one who makes Omar's sentence (punishment) conditional on the crime (sins) of the parents, not me.
You're the one who would make a great advocate for the prosecution of Omar Khadr, not me.
You don't belong here. Kindly fuck off.
Bravo, M. Spector! Eschew logic for the use of the rhetorical device of an ad hominem argument (attack the person and not the principles). Yeah, that always works.
Wed, 2009-09-09 01:24
#106
I wonder how much tuition fees are at those CIA-sponsored madrassas?
Would the Canada Student Loans program recognize them as legit for the foreign studies end of things?
And, would NDP Manitoba's 60% tax credit be applicable? (I'm thinkin' on movin to the 'Toba and desire to meet interesting people in far away lands, and learn how to kill people and blow up things)...(not really)
Wed, 2009-09-09 01:57
#107
I think I read somewhere before about the mujahideen being one of the [url=http://listverse.com/2007/07/10/top-10-secret-armies-of-the-cia/]Top 18 Secret Mercenary Armies of the CIA[/url], or something to that effect. You could make a decent living in those days with drugs and gun running. Apparently they are accepted vocations in that region of the world still.
Wed, 2009-09-09 03:17
#108
Khadr's parents didn't torture and abuse him. That was the US government. I am at a loss to understand why you insist on blaming his parents for the treatment he received at the hands of the Americans.
Omar's parents abused and neglected him by removing him from his family when they handed him over to the mullah who ran the jihadi maddrassa. Omar's father abused him by abandoning him at the maddrassa and his mother is negligent for allowing it to happen. His parents share some degree of responsibility for the torture Omar received when he was indoctrinated with weapons training at the maddrassa. Other rights of the child of Omar that were violated (ie., Omar was abused) were the right to friendship with other children, the right to a proper education, the right to be a member of a community, etc. Just ask M. Spector about the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child. He'll tell you all about it.
You don't seem to grasp the fact that Khadr was in Afghanistan [i]before[/i] the US invastion. They brought the war to him, not vice versa.
Omar's father was Egyptian, his mother is Palestinian-Canadian. Shortly before the Afghan war, the Khadr family was living comfortably in Canada. Then they went to AfPak. What made AfPak so much more attractive than Canada to the adult Khadrs? Why AfPak and not anywhere else in the world (like say, Egypt or Palestine where they might have family)? Could the fact that Abdel Khadr was arrested in 1995 in Pakistan for being implicated in the blowing up of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad and that members of the Khadr family have openly commented that they were good buddies of Osama Bin Laden have anything to do with their possibly knowing what might happen in Afghanistan?
Wed, 2009-09-09 06:03
#109
Maysie
I haven't read part 1, but what I've read here, esp from Frmrsldr, is a bit disturbing. "Ma and Pa Khadr" and "AfPak" are really really really insulting and rude terms to use.
I'm sure someone will start a part 3. But for now it's a long thread.
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