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http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/bryant-charged-vii
Bryant charged VIII
Fri, 2009-09-11 10:14
#1
remind
Bryant charged VIII
Fri, 2009-09-11 18:34
#2
as if Wente's column yesterday wasn't bad enough, Jim Coyle in today's Star ices the sickening cake:
"...By no stretch was Darcy Sheppard a member of life's lucky sperm club. By the sounds of things, he was pretty damaged and, if fuelled by anger, he had a lot to be angry about.
I don't say anything about this issue with dispassion.
I know and like Bryant. He's precisely the sort of cocky, mischievous little SOB I loved to have on my team, the kind who wasn't much fun to play against..."
yup. he actually wrote that. no shame whatsoever.
Fri, 2009-09-11 18:56
#3
remind
Wow, just wow.
Fri, 2009-09-11 20:20
#4
Yeah, that's bad. Really bad.
Fri, 2009-09-11 20:25
#5
Snert
???
!!!
Fri, 2009-09-11 20:25
#6
I see Navigator has been successful. It is not only "bad" it is completely and utterly sickening. Great Toronto Star! Let's slander the dead man and paint Bryant as noble. What a POS the writer is.
Fri, 2009-09-11 20:42
#7
It is not only "bad" it is completely and utterly sickening.
I'm sorry, words fail me sometimes. The article is a disgrace.
Fri, 2009-09-11 20:46
#8
I wrote a letter to the writer. I doubt I'll see a reply.
Fri, 2009-09-11 21:15
#9
Lard Tunderin Jeezus
Jim Coyle admits that Bryant is a friend. Clearly Jim Coyle is a man who'll stand up for a friend.
But Darcy Sheppard has no such friends in the media to come to his defense - and that's what privilege is all about.
Fri, 2009-09-11 21:18
#10
Jim Coyle should know better. Jim Coyle knowingly slandered Sheppard. Jim Coyle is making sure the public has no compassion for Sheppard. Jim Coyle is a complete and utter souless human being.
Fri, 2009-09-11 21:36
#11
Not sure Coyle's souless, Stargazer.
If so, what would he have given to Navigator?
Fri, 2009-09-11 22:08
#12
I have to say I also found Coyle's column pretty sycophantic and offensive. Wente on the other hand does make some valid points in hers.
Fri, 2009-09-11 22:15
#13
Such as calling Sheppard a "troubled soul" who was "drunk as a clunk?"...
Fri, 2009-09-11 23:53
#14
Cueball
Oh did the toxicology come in? I hadn't seen that. By the way why did Bryant not get a breathalyzer test?
Sat, 2009-09-12 00:17
#15
One of Sheppard's friends was quoted as saying that he was as "drunk as a skunk" and that the police should never have allowed him to bike home in that condition. Maybe that friend was secretely being paid by Navigator to say that? or maybe its what that person believed.
Sat, 2009-09-12 00:43
#16
Cueball
A lot of suppositions there. For example "friend" is one. Another is expertise. You are claiming that "friend" knows better than "police"... but ok.
What we do know is that according to authorities, the police considered him fit to handle a bike. We also know that the same authorities seemed to think it not necessary to adminster a brethalzer test to Bryant. Hmm. Maybe they were wrong in both cases.
So, I guess the rule is now you can hit anyone you please as long as you are not drunk if they are. What happens then? The victim is charged with manslaughter I suppose, well that is if the authorities conveniently skip your breathalyzer test.
Sat, 2009-09-12 08:22
#17
All of a sudden you have so much fait and confidence in the police?
Sat, 2009-09-12 08:25
#18
All of a sudden you have so little?
Sat, 2009-09-12 08:28
#19
I find little to choose from on the disturbing end between both articles. Coyle, for all the reasons sited above, and Wente's for the dropping of esoteric details-- like the SAAB being a used car Bryant bought for $5000. That column surely has the paw of Navigator all over it.
But then, should it surprise us at all that Wente would do such a thing?
Sat, 2009-09-12 08:46
#20
"esoteric details" will always be used by columnists trying to make a point either way. I'm sure that if Bryant had been driving a $50,000 Porsche and had just had dinner at a five star restaurant - we'd never hear the end of those "esoteric details" from other people with an axe to grind. If only, IF ONLY he had been driving a more expensive car and had eaten in a really pricey restaurant as well - this would all be an open and shut case and we could erect a guillotine in Nathan Philips Square and start the "reign of terror". We wouldn't even need a trial. I'm sure "Martin Dufresne" would be happy to play the role of Robespierre.
Sat, 2009-09-12 08:57
#21
Yes, Martin as Robespierre, and you can fill out the roll of the Comte de Artois.
And I'll go play cards with de Sade.
Sat, 2009-09-12 09:08
#22
"1) No one mentioned the price, colour or make of his car in this thread."
Tommy Paine did in post #18 - you lose.
Sat, 2009-09-12 09:08
#23
Cueball
"esoteric details" will always be used by columnists trying to make a point either way. I'm sure that if Bryant had been driving a $50,000 Porsche and had just had dinner at a five star restaurant - we'd never hear the end of those "esoteric details" from other people with an axe to grind. If only, IF ONLY he had been driving a more expensive car and had eaten in a really pricey restaurant as well - this would all be an open and shut case and we could erect a guillotine in Nathan Philips Square and start the "reign of terror". We wouldn't even need a trial. I'm sure "Martin Dufresne" would be happy to play the role of Robespierre.
What are you going on about.
1) No one mentioned the price, colour or make of his car in this thread.
2) No one mentioned sentences for convictions
3) No one mentioned eating out.
4) No one mentioned guillotines.
Not suprising you are having trouble grasping the essentials of the case and what are known facts, and what are just speculations, you don't even know what is going on in this thread.
Sat, 2009-09-12 09:11
#24
Cueball
Are you 12?
Sat, 2009-09-12 09:22
#25
While we play one upmanship with our knowledge of the most fun revolution ever, we could delve into local history for our own riegn of terror.
And, that came right after the most modest attempt at revolution ever, the 1837 rebellion in Upper Canada. The tory bastards hunted anyone who even looked our sounded like they might be interested in something resembling democracy. Some they hung, others they sentenced to Van Dieman's Land, where life was no picknic and the death toll high enough to warm the cockles of tory hearts.
We speak of nations, of peoples, of organizations having a culture, a way of doing things built over time. Institutions have a culture, also.
And, what is the culture of our Justice System? of our media? of our legislators?
They are the direct cultural decendants of Francis Bond-Head, and even further back the upper class sadists that first set up our justice system and legislatures in Upper and Lower Canada. And that runs true from that time to now; we see it poke it's head up now and again when they try to hang a 14 year old kid for a crime he didn't commit. They look the other way when the Crown uses jail house informers to knowingly convict someone innocent for a hienous crime, while the guilty roam free to kill other little girls; they allow the OPP to kick women around on picket lines, or gun down a farmer like he was a dog; or let them cellebrate the murder of Dudley George as a war trophy. And they circle the wagons around Dr. Charles Smith, because, odd as he is, he dresses and talks like one of them.
This is who you are sticking up for Stockholm.
Am I concerned that Michael Bryant get a fair trial? That's exactly what I want for him. And, a fair trial in his world, for his gang, would look for all the world to them like a "riegn of terror".
So, yes, I am concerned for Michael Bryant. But, of all the concerns about injustice I have, I'd have to tell him to take a number.
It's a very, very high number.
Sat, 2009-09-12 09:50
#26
Cueball
One quibble, don't you mean:
"Am I concerned that Michael Bryant get a fair trial? That's exactly what I want for him. And, a fair trial in your world, for your gang, would look for all the world to you like a "riegn of terror""
I think that more aptly puts Stockholm's ranting about the French Revolution in its proper perspective.
Sat, 2009-09-12 10:04
#27
One quibble, don't you mean:
No. It's not helpfull to sidetrack that way. And as much as I dissagree with Stockholm over this issue, and others, and no doubt others in the future, I think he extends credit that I come by my inerring views honestly without any hidden agenda, and I extend the same respect to his usually wrong views.
Sat, 2009-09-12 10:08
#28
Cueball
Meh.
Sat, 2009-09-12 11:52
#29
Lard Tunderin Jeezus
I have to say I also found Coyle's column pretty sycophantic and offensive. Wente on the other hand does make some valid points in hers.
Okay, you suckered me into reading Wente, against my better judgment. It was more of the completely derisible crap I've come to expect from her. I have the impression that most people only read Wente to scoff at her; I can't be bothered to scoff at someone with no credibility.
Unfortunately Jim Coyle could really damage Sheppard, because he has some.
Sat, 2009-09-12 11:54
#30
Had.
Sat, 2009-09-12 12:11
#31
Sheppard can't be damaged any more than he has. Our expectations of justice, however...
Sat, 2009-09-12 12:29
#32
remind
Ya, tommy, and interesting that people are being exposed, for what they are, in this circumastance, as they come out to support one of their own.
Destroying their own credentials in the attempt to do, seems a bit fool hardy. Do they really have that much invested in Bryant? Or is this evidence of Navigator's ability to pull strings, even if complying means loss of their own credibility? Or do they believe that society at large is so indoctrinated that it matters not?
Sat, 2009-09-12 12:53
#33
Lard Tunderin Jeezus
Sheppard can't be damaged any more than he has. Our expectations of justice, however...
True; I should have put that more clearly.
Sat, 2009-09-12 13:15
#34
Destroying their own credentials in the attempt to do, seems a bit fool hardy. Do they really have that much invested in Bryant?
That's a very important question. I think they do and that the underlying issue here is the ruling class' privilege of unaccountability, of protecting themselves by all necessary means. Merit doesn't enter the equation; indeed it has become a liability - Jim Coyle says it explicitly in his naked admiration for Bryant as a "cocky, mischievous little SOB". Fascism unmodified. I think we are going to see a lot more open violence again desperate folks when the crisis explodes fully and immigrants start to be deported en masse, impoverished women are sloughed off to prostitution and the rich retreat in gated communities and behind the steel plates of their Hummers. Covering for Bryant's murder of Sheppard is exemplary in that regard, the modern-day version of beating the less-deserving away from the Titanic's lifeboats. I would love to know recent statistics on these people's applications for permits to carry a personal firearm. If Bryant had shot Sheppard in the face, "in fear for his life", I don't doubt that some would defend him as forcefully.
Sat, 2009-09-12 17:52
#35
I would love to know recent statistics on these people's applications for permits to carry a personal firearm.
Ask former tory cabinet minister John Snobelen, and the judge who let him off for having an unlicenced handgun.
Permits? We don't need no stinking permits.
You can be forgiven for forgetting about this; the media did it's best to bury the story. And not remind us about Mr. "Create a Crisis' " credibility when it comes to explanations that in this time of zero tollerance on handguns, is rather irrelevant anyway.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2008/04/25/snob...
Destroying their own credentials in the attempt to do, seems a bit fool hardy. Do they really have that much invested in Bryant? Or is this evidence of Navigator's ability to pull strings, even if complying means loss of their own credibility? Or do they believe that society at large is so indoctrinated that it matters not?
Sure. Navigator works for any political party collecting favours along the way. A call is made, a name put forward, and suddenly the public is dumbfounded how someone like Mike Duffy gets to wallow in the public trough in the senate.
Of course, a senate cash for life appointment is the plum, but it's not at all the only appointments governments can make.
Five years from now, you see the tiniest blurb on the back page of section seven of the sunday edition of the Star how Coyle has been appointed jr. assistant undersecretary to the Ontario trade attache in Paris.
And it doesn't even ring a bell.
Sat, 2009-09-12 18:32
#36
remind
Yep i agree tommy.
Sat, 2009-09-12 20:02
#37
Cueball
It's interesting to know that some of Bryant's "friends" think he is "mischevious", and a "son of a bitch", Coyle's words not mine. In the context one could see how someone of that kind of temperament might have been being a little "mischevious" in a manner that led him to hit Sheppard. Sounds kind of like an irresponsible person to me. The video and resulting death caused by his actions also indicates the same.
Very possible that after he hit Sheppard, he realized he was over his head and tried to flee.
Sat, 2009-09-12 20:17
#38
911.
Sat, 2009-09-12 22:10
#39
A little mischievous and SOB are equivalents to, Bryant's a psycho!
Sat, 2009-09-12 22:39
#40
Cueball
Could be. We will never know of course. Do you think they will do a psych test? I think they gave one to that truck driver who killed 4 people in Alberta while drunk. Speeding while drunk got him a count of "Criminal Negligence" and a "Manslaughter" charge for each victim. No doubt at all that it was unintentional however.
Sat, 2009-09-12 22:48
#41
I think Bryant's a candidate for the Ludovico technique from Clockwork Orange.
Alex: What are we gonna do? Talk about me sex life?
Psychiatrist: Oh, no. I'm going to show you some slides and you're going to tell me what you think about them. Alright?
Sat, 2009-09-12 22:54
#42
Cueball
Regardless we wont get the 411, let alone the 911 on any of that.
Thu, 2009-09-17 12:20
#43
well, the trinity is complete. the toronto punditry has reached a verdict and Bryant is clearly the victim here. Peter Worthington in Tuesday's Toronto Sun adds the -latest topping to the cake i mentioned previously:
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"...That he chose flight over confrontation with the cyclist showed good judgment where some, in a similar situation, might opted to stay and argue. Had Bryant chosen to be macho, Sheppard would still be alive -- and probably in jail for creating a disturbance.
Charges against Bryant are unlikely to stand up in court. Nor should they...."
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i'm speechless.
Thu, 2009-09-17 13:07
#44
remind
I am not, it is what women have been putting up with forever, we are always at fault, even for our own murdering.
The more privileged a white male is the more he can get away with.
Worthington is just another fuckwad.
Thu, 2009-09-17 13:09
#45
Ha, so I was right all along. The media is bought and paid for by these rich assholes.
Fri, 2009-09-18 14:54
#46
and now for a sliver of balance, courtesy of Antonia Zerbisias in today's Star: "Bryant and bike courier a class issue"
"...as former Olympic cyclist and cycling lawyer Bob Mionske outlines on Bicycling.com, it's all spin.
"Why do I think it's spin?" he asks. "Because details about Sheppard's ancient run-ins with the law over stolen cheques had nothing to do with what happened the night of his death. Neither did stories about noise complaints from neighbours, or his problems with alcohol ... But they had everything to do with shaping public opinion, turning the public against Sheppard, and in support of Bryant."
That's why you can't help but get the impression that some people are more equal than others...."
thanks Antonia. she does point out that the BryanTruths blog and twitter don't seem to be going over well now the video of Bryant ramming Sheppard from behind has gone viral on youtube. and i have noticed on CBC Radio 1 (i only listen to CBC so i can't comment on other stations) that when the subject came up in relation to the St. Paul's by-election, the framing has changed to a simple "bryant was charged following a collision that resulted in cyclist's death" or neutral words to that effect. the spin has been completely gone lately in the news, just not the columnists.
seems like the video is more powerful than Navigator.
Fri, 2009-09-18 15:57
#47
remind
Good to hear thanks farnival.
Fri, 2009-09-18 16:46
#48
here's the link to the article at Bicycling.com that Antonia mentions above: "Road Rights - When Worlds Collide"
"A swift public relations campaign couldn’t save a successful Canadian lawyer from the fact that he ran down and killed a bike messenger."
Fri, 2009-09-18 16:54
#49
Charges against Bryant are unlikely to stand up in court. Nor should they...."
That should scare the bejesus out of Bryant, given Worthington's habit of being wrong all the time.
Fri, 2009-09-18 18:56
#50
Tue, 2009-10-20 11:45
#51
fyi: bryant trial held over to Nov. 16. sorry for this lazy google news link but they all sound the same. thanks Navigator!
on youtube, honestedit has put this very interesting update to the security camera footage using google streetview to locate the cameras.
prediction: bryant will get off, charges dismissed. even in the face of obvious video evidence to the contrary. :-(