Oh, oh. It looks like a turf war has broken out for the Liberals in Outremont

Fri, 2009-09-25 18:10

flight from kamakura

people want to talk this up as a peggy nash/gerard kennedy deal, but i think that in today's riding, it may be that mulcair is the bigger name. obviously, it remains to be seen how this affects the dynamics in the riding, but mulcair had to know that he's had a pretty easy ride thus far - holding a riding like outremont virtually guarantees a strong liberal challenge each and every time, it's an entitlement riding.

as for the igg, it could be that the outremont calculation works out for him. of all three ridings (ahuntsic, jeanne-le ber and outremont), this will be the toughest one for the lpc to win back. in that sense, despite hacking off coderre (maybe), giving outremont to caucon is win-win: cauchon is basically staking his return to politics on beating a redoubtable mulcair, he loses he's out of everyone's hair and if he wins, iggy gets the seat, with no cabinet promises, nothing.

Fri, 2009-09-25 18:15

#103

Stockholm

Keep in mind that the last time Cauchon was a candidate fr anything was in 2000 - almost a decade ago. and back then Outremont was such a supersafe seat that I doubt if he ever campaigned at all.

Fri, 2009-09-25 20:03

#104

Debater

Outremont hasn't really been a super safe Liberal seat since the Marc Lalonde days in the early 1980's, but yes, it was safer when Cauchon held it then when LaPierre held it. In 2004 and 2006, the Liberals only won it by a few thousand votes over the BQ.

As for Mulcair, I'm not sure I would describe Mulcair as having a "big personal following". He has some popularity, but it is limited. Remeber, Mulcair only got 39% of the vote in Outremont last October despite running against a Liberal candidate with no political experience and who spent a lot less money than Mulcair.

There's a strong chance that Cauchon will be able to beat Mulcair.

Fri, 2009-09-25 20:08

#105

Debater

remind wrote:

You are correct "certain" posters did like 1 or 2. LOL.

Others, in the majority gave a rat's ass about him, and correctly so.

Oh, and the threshhold now is a candidate is okay to the Liberals if they have had only minor legal problems?

One would think after the sponsorship issues, they would be avoiding any further taint at all costs in respect to Cauchon, after all he was their for the scandal.

Personally, I thought that was why Igantieff was refusing his positioning there again. The voters have already indicated how they feel about him.

Not sure many would want to bring their garbage back into their house, once it was thrown away.

This just sounds like a personal attack - I'm not sure who you are referring to. Cauchon was not voted out by the voters - he was re-elected by them each time he ran. He decided to leave when Paul Martin became Liberal leader. You seem to be under the impression that he lost his seat.

Fri, 2009-09-25 20:12

#106

NorthReport

So what you are saying is that Bob Rae is the de facto leader of the Liberals.

Harper is certainly correct in that Ignatieff, to back down like this, is not a leader.

Fri, 2009-09-25 20:17

#107

Debater

Is that a question for me? I have only talked about the Outremont race and the possible dynamics between Cauchon and Mulcair. I didn't mention anything about Bob Rae. Rae is unlikely to become Liberal leader anyway. And I'm not sure what Harper has to do with the Outremont decision.

It actually shows Ignatieff can be flexible and open to change - a lot of people said he was making a mistake and asked him to change his mind. He has done so.

Fri, 2009-09-25 20:22

#108

NorthReport

As I have already said before, Harper is going to chew Ignatieff up and spit him out like mincemeat with behaviour like this.

Ignatieff flip flops after nomination backlash

http://www.canada.com/news/Ignatieff+flip+flops+after+nomination+backlas...

Fri, 2009-09-25 20:41

#109

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

As I have already said before, Harper is going to chew Ignatieff up and spit him out like mincemeat with behaviour like this.

Ignatieff flip flops after nomination backlash

http://www.canada.com/news/Ignatieff+flip+flops+after+nomination+backlas...

Of course Stephen Harper's never flip flopped.

Fri, 2009-09-25 20:53

#110

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

It appears Coderre has been settling old scores all over.

Quote:

True, Dion's reign as party leader was short and inglorious, and his stumble-prone campaign in 2008 culminated in one of the most humiliating defeats in Liberal history. Finally, his disastrous attempt to forge a coalition with the New Democrats to oust the Conservatives with the connivance of the Bloc Québécois dashed whatever hopes he had left of ever becoming prime minister.

Still, he deserves better than to have his back stabbed by the likes of Denis Coderre, a party apparatchik whose contributions to Canada are minimal compared with those of Dion. But Coderre apparently has the ear and the support of Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff, which greatly enhances his ability to make mischief in the ranks of the party's Quebec wing. And Coderre seems to think, according to our columnist L.Ian MacDonald, that Dion should have the decency to disappear before the next election and leave his riding open for a "star candidate."