Will the Canadian version contain mercury?
Ans> 25 micrograms of mercury per dose
source: http://tinyurl.com/yjfgfbb
Is that a lot? Is it Thimerisol?
If you were going to get the shot, will you change your mind knowing this?
Related: Mercola article on Washington State lifting their ban on mercury in vaccines just for H1N1> http://tinyurl.com/ygjz5ef
When they don't use mercury, they use aluminum (associated with the development of Alzheimer's and other neuro-degenerative diseases).
One way or another they need a sterilant - and if it kills things in the bottle, it's not going to do nice things when it's injected into you. That said, the risks each way must be weighed, and there are certainly times when mass vaccination is required. The issue is whether it is happening too often (for every flu bug, for example), as the loading of these toxic metals (sterilants) may be cumulative in effect.
Actually I came across a study recently that said a little mercury is good for you, just a little, just what you would get in vaccinations. ROTFLMAO
This information does not change my mind, I do not trust them at all. I am sick of their campaigns of terror, I see them as nothing but monster bullies profitting from fear, fear they generate.
If you were going to get the shot, will you change your mind knowing this?
Well I certainly don't want to catch the autism!!
but your willing to go for Alztheimers.
LOL
But as far as making jokes about catching "autism" Snert I wonder if you have ever sat with a family that has had a perfectly healthy child receive a vaccination and as a result become a "non-verbal spastic quadriplegic"?
Will the Canadian version contain mercury?
Ans> 25 micrograms of mercury per dosesource: http://tinyurl.com/yjfgfbb
Is that a lot? Is it Thimerisol?
Read the article you posted:
Flu vaccine is packaged in vials that contain multiple doses; to avoid contamination, a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal is added. One dose of vaccine contains about 25 micrograms of mercury, [b]slightly less than what you will ingest in a tuna sandwich[/b]. There are persistent claims that mercury in vaccines causes autism but this has been debunked.
Thanks, M Spector.
No, it won't change my mind. I'll get the shot, so will the rest of my family, and we already knew there was thimerosol in the flu shot. Which is very much like the flu shot my MIL and other seniors have been getting every fall for years, with no ill effect.
Delurking to debunk:
We acknowledge that there are concerns with respect to immunization. There are some risks association with flu vaccine, but the potential risk for serious adverse events, like Guillan-Barré Syndrome, is low.For regular seasonal influenza, about five to ten percent of the population will get sick and on average about 4000 people die every year. The risk of serious side effects from the flu are far greater than the risk of experiencing an adverse event after receiving the flu shot. The risk of suffering Guillan-Barré as a complication from the flu is greater than the risk of getting it as a reaction to the flu shot.
Vaccines are among the safest tools of modern medicine. In Canada, serious side effects from the flu vaccine occur very rarely – about one for every million shots administered. The vast majority of side effects from vaccines are minor and temporary, like a sore arm or mild fever. These are much less severe than influenza infection, and last for a much shorter time. No long-term effects have been associated with any vaccine currently in use.
Read more at "Vaccine Myths:"
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/alert-alerte/h1n1/vacc/myth-mythe-eng.php
I think I am getting it, as I am in the supposedly "highest-risk" group. However, I am making sure to get the version without adjuvant. The public health nurse called me yesterday though to say that my prenatal appointments and education with her are all cancelled. She said they are too busy with H1N1 vaccination stuff.
Thanks for that information Sineed. I anticipate getting the shot when it becomes available.
I'm getting it too, oldgoat; I'm high-risk (asthma), and I work with vulnerable people I don't want to put at risk - HIV, hep C, etc.
Today on the Ceeb I heard Cathy Crowe, the street nurse and homeless advocate, speaking out on H1N1 and the homeless, saying we need more shelters to forestall the overcrowding, and the city needs to rescind the ban on sleeping bags for the protection of people who will be too nervous about H1N1 to go to a shelter. Yay for Cathy! If she can use H1N1 panic to get more resources for the homeless, it's the first constructive use of this whole media circus that I've seen.
But the interview with Cathy made me think, are we going to see more people freeze to death this winter because they were afraid of swine flu, then would have died of swine flu had they gone to a shelter instead? (Even if the city rescinds the sleeping bag ban.)
More myths debunked (from the link in post #8):
Myth 7: The influenza vaccine contains thimerosal (mercury), which is harmful, especially for young children.
Fact 7: The amount of thimerosal used in the influenza vaccine is very small and has not been shown to cause any harm. Canada's National Advisory Committee on Immunization (which includes recognized experts in the fields of paediatrics, infectious diseases, immunology, medical microbiology, internal medicine and public health) has reviewed the latest science and concluded, "there is no legitimate safety reason to avoid the use of thimerosal-containing products for children or older individuals." The vaccines that Canadian children and adults receive are safe.
Myth 8: Pregnant women should not get the influenza vaccine.
Fact 8: The influenza vaccine is safe during pregnancy. Being immunized is the best way to protect yourself and those around you, including your unborn infant. It is also safe for babies to breastfeed after mothers receive the influenza vaccine.
Although women who are pregnant are not more likely to get the H1N1 flu virus, they are more likely to suffer complications if they do get infected. This is particularly true in the second and third trimester of the pregnancy.
"sleeping bag ban'?
May be a bit outside of your realm, but would you be safer from infectious disease sleeping under a bridge than in a horrid overcrowded shelter?
I also work with an at risk population, and travel around seeing people a lot, though I don't know how at risk I am myself. I'm within a week of being 58, sadly out of shape, but otherwise healthy. Oh, I probably have the liver of an Irish poet.
Rephrase that, Toronto has a ban on homeless people using sleeping bags?
Good question, oldgoat - for sure you'd be safer from infectious diseases sleeping by yourself under a bridge rather than in a shelter, but is the infectious disease in question more dangerous than sleeping outside at minus 20?
Arctic Pig has Dylan Thomas' liver.
Ban on sleeping bags - yeah, they banned them a few years ago. I remember before the ban Cathy Crowe saying the average lifespan of a sleeping bag on Toronto streets was 4 days. There were filthy, soaked discarded sleeping bags all over the place.
Rephrase that, Toronto has a ban on homeless people using sleeping bags?
Well, to be fair, it applies to everyone, not just the homeless:
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread."
- Anatole France, Le Lys Rouge
Holy crap. I didn't know they'd banned sleeping bags altogether. I thought they just banned people who work with the homeless from handing them out on the streets.
Ban on sleeping bags - yeah, they banned them a few years ago.
Sorry for the continued thread drift but could somebody point me to the wording of this law? I'm wanting to know how sleeping bags for the homeless got outlawed while presumably buying a sleeping bag at a camping store and walking around with it downtown while you continue shopping is still fine.
yes blankets are so much better....
Holy crap. I didn't know they'd banned sleeping bags altogether. I thought they just banned people who work with the homeless from handing them out on the streets.
I apologize unreservedly for the thread drift and confusion. They've banned handing out sleeping bags to the homeless. Sleeping bags are not themselves banned - dunno how you'd enforce that.
Some clarification:
The second link in the original post explains that the reason there will be mercury in the H1N1 vaccine is because it is being delivered to distribution points IN LARGE VIALS where the individual needles will be going into the big vial many times, which poses a risk for contamination.
Single strain vaccines and single shot sizes do not need Thimerisol or any preservative.
Canada apparently has a policy of single shot vaccines for regular vaccinations, and, as Health Canada states, single strain shots do not need perservative.
So it is just because of the big hurry that Thimerisol is in the H1N1 vaccine.
PS - would you still get the H1N1 vaccine if it had a sleeping bag in it?
An Epidemic of Fear: How Panicked Parents Skipping Shots Endangers Us All
Consider: In certain parts of the US, vaccination rates have dropped so low that occurrences of some children's diseases are approaching pre-vaccine levels for the first time ever. And the number of people who choose not to vaccinate their children (so-called philosophical exemptions are available in about 20 states, including Pennsylvania, Texas, and much of the West) continues to rise. In states where such opting out is allowed, 2.6 percent of parents did so last year, up from 1 percent in 1991, according to the CDC. In some communities, like California's affluent Marin County, just north of San Francisco, non-vaccination rates are approaching 6 percent (counterintuitively, higher rates of non-vaccination often correspond with higher levels of education and wealth).
That may not sound like much, but a recent study by the Los Angeles Times indicates that the impact can be devastating. The Times found that even though only about 2 percent of California's kindergartners are unvaccinated (10,000 kids, or about twice the number as in 1997), they tend to be clustered, disproportionately increasing the risk of an outbreak of such largely eradicated diseases as measles, mumps, and pertussis (whooping cough). The clustering means almost 10 percent of elementary schools statewide may already be at risk.
Not a good thing at all and all over nothing.
If these throwbacks would also agree to not drink the commie-fluoridated water they'd all die off, just as Darwin predicted.
If these throwbacks would also agree to not drink the commie-fluoridated water they'd all die off, just as Darwin predicted.
Actually, I don't drink fluoridated water, but please enjoy it. LOL As to "throwbacks" I think that could be classified as an attack but whether or not it is isn't really the point, the point would be how to discuss anything with someone who is content with that level of discourse?
The issue is not the amount of mercury or aluminum in any single vaccination. It is the amount accumulated during your lifetime, from all sources - including the aforementioned tuna sandwiches. I am certainly not arguing against standard childhood vaccinations, but there is good reason to combine vaccinations whenever possible, as in MMR (measles, mumps, rubella).
Okay, but nobody dies if you cut back on your tuna consumption. People die when you lose "herd immunity" that is necessary to keep diseases like measle, mumps, polio, etc. at bay because they're convinced vaccines are poisonous. Which they aren't.
The only problem with that tuna sandwich comparison is that it fails to differentiate between methylmercury and ethylmercury
Salsa - I was trying to find that info today about "methyl and ethyl merc" - can you remind me about the difference?
And, do you have info on how much of each is harmfull? I did find that the FDA says 480mcg per pound of fish is the limit to be considered edible [but they didn't consider accumulation, as in how often we can eat fish with that much mercury in it]
If these amounts can be compared, that fish limit works out to just under 20 vaccinations with 25mcg of mercury each would equal one pound of fish, but we have to consider accumulations, from all our sources of mercury because it all stays with us... {and if it is ethyl or methyl?}.
Mind you, most vaccines in Canada no longer contain mercury.
But who knows about how little it takes to cause neurological damage, sometimes not showing up for many years!!
I was just reading about the idea that trace amounts of mercury in our bodies allows certain viruses to enter cells, in some circumstances, where those viri would otherwise not be able to enter cells. So mercury can make us more susceptable to virus attacks, in any amount. Ironic!!
Doug and snert agree with this statement: "counterintuitively,higher rates of non-vaccination often correspond with higher levels of education and wealth"
But I don't see that as "counterintuitive", I think it corresponds to NOT having herd mentality; some people are apparently enamoured with that idea [sorry if that sounds insulting] .
The only problem with that tuna sandwich comparison is that it fails to differentiate between methylmercury and ethylmercury
...neither of which is the same as sodium ethylmercurithiosalicylate (a.k.a. thimerosal).
ETA: [url=http://scaquarium.org/SSI/PDFS/mercury.pdf]Mercury Fact Sheet[/url] (.pdf) - for Noah's benefit.
Thx Spect
Salsa - I was trying to find that info today about "methyl and ethyl merc
Curious, the info is right there at your googletips. In a nutshell methylmerc is the bad stuff, it's the stuff that you find in your seafood and it's the stuff most research is done on.
ethyl OTOH is what you body metabolizes thimerosal into after a shot and the small amount of research done on it indicates that it's excreted from the body shortly after its *creation*
It's all a part of the anti-vax hype and paranoia the word MERCURY !! and should be a part of each individuals research into what they're putting into their body so they can do their own risk assessment.
Thimersol's been "debunked" the buzzword now is squalene, see Mercola and Blaylock on these for the woo, then cruise over to a site like sciencebasedmedicine and check out the critiques of their work.
The nuts and bolts of the whole issue is. if you're worried about mercury poisoning from a vaccine, then you definitely want to swear off seafood for the rest of your life.
Fucc A Vaccine.
Esp when I have kids. Im not getting no autistic kid because of mercury in a vaccine.
Thimersol's been "debunked" the buzzword now is squalene, see Mercola and Blaylock on these for the woo, then cruise over to a site like sciencebasedmedicine and check out the critiques of their work.
Keep in mind though that Mercola and Blaylock are just out for the public good and to inform people about medical issues that affect their lives, whereas those creeps from sciencebasedmedicine.org are only interested in milking you out of every penny you have. No...wait...I got that backwards.
Even if they did cause autism occasionally, autism doesn't kill. The stuff vaccines protect against does.
yep, big pharma makes more money treating you when your sick than they do selling you vaccines.
Blaylock's all about selling brain supplements 600 bucks a year
I'm not sure what Mercola's game is
R_P, there is no mercury in a childhood vaccine. The mercury that was in vaccine did not cause autism. Vaccines do not cause autism, never did. The doctor in the UK who originally claimed they did falsified his studies - or in a more crude vernacular, he made shit up. I've posted links before. Rather than do it again in this thread, feel free to PM me and I will point them out for you.
You won't "get an autistic kid" by vaccinating - but you could end up with a baby dead of whooping cough or brain damaged from encephalitis caused by influenza B if you don't. They're both making a comeback because people are buying the bullshit the anti-vaxers are peddling as alternative wisdom.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/10/25/vaccine-campaign.html
The Minister of Health says we should get the H1N1 shot. Interesting... I wonder what her background in immunology is.
There's nothing here about her background in science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leona_Aglukkaq
I wonder if she knows that the vaccine was patented a year before the outbreak.
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/news.php?start=2760&end=2780&view=yes&...
Those who believe that vaccination is the most important way to maintain public health will be interested to learn that Pasteur and his disciples knew that the ground in which illness-producing bacteria fall could influence the outcome of a disease - or preserve health.
The Road Not Taken - pdf. Page 3 is of particular note.
http://www.asm.org/ccLibraryFiles/FILENAME/0000000237/400974p703.pdf
Fun video - How vaccines are made
I wonder if she knows that the vaccine was patented a year before the outbreak.
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/news.php?start=2760&end=2780&view=yes&...
No it wasn't. The actual patent application is [url=http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20... (pdf)[/url] (and I got the link from your source). It involves a particular method for creating vaccines against various different viral strains, not a vaccine against any specific strain.
Correct, Pogge, it does not contain a vaccine against a particular strain; it contains a great many strains.
"Baxter Files Swine Flu Vaccine Patent A Year Ahead Of Outbreak
From Lara, Health Advocate
10 July 2009
US20090060950A1 to Baxter International filed 28th August 2008
Baxter
See Baxter Vaccine Patent Application US 2009/0060950 A1 available at link
Baxter are nothing if not prepared for this 'swine flu' outbreak if the wording in this 2008 US patent application is anything to go by:
"In particular preferred embodiments the composition or
vaccine comprises more than one antigen.....such as
influenza A and influenza B in particular selected from of one
or more of the human H1N1, H2N2, H3N2, H5N1, H7N7, H1N2,
H9N2, H7N2, H7N3, H10N7 subtypes, of the pig flu H1N1,
H1N2, H3N1 and H3N2 subtypes, of the dog or horse flu H7N7,
H3N8 subtypes or of the avian H5N1, H7N2, H1N7, H7N3,
H13N6, H5N9, H11N6, H3N8, H9N2, H5N2, H4N8, H10N7, H2N2,
H8N4, H14N5, H6N5, H12N5 subtypes."
"Suitable adjuvants can be selected from mineral gels,
aluminium hydroxide, surface active substances, lysolecithin,
pluronic polyols, polyanions or oil emulsions such as water in
oil or oil in water, or a combination thereof. Of course the
selection of the adjuvant depends on the intended use.
E.g. toxicity may depend on the destined subject organism
and can vary from no toxicity to high toxicity."
"Three different influenza strains, two A-strains Hiroshima
(HR, H3N2), a New Calcdonia (NC, H1N1) and a B-strain,
Malaysia (MA), were produced in Vero cell cultures. After
virus propagation the infectious virus harvest is inactivated
prior to purification...."
I'm feeling so much better now that I know we have such competent pharmaceutical companies, well prepared for viral outbreaks at least a year ahead of time...
Regards
Lara"
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/news.php?start=2760&end=2780&view=yes&...
That is the patent for the vaccine that will go in your body.
Pogge, do you know what it means - not just technically but in the larger frame?
If you look at the actual patent application, what you'll see is:
METHOD FOR PRODUCING VIRAL VACCINES
They're patenting a specific method. Not a specific vaccine. This application is [i]not[/i] an indication of prior knowledge of any specific strain. You're spreading a conspiracy theory.
Squalene is something to be on the watch for in vaccine ingredient lists:
http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Opinion/Comments/180720090846_squale...
Pogge, you must have got up on the wrong side of the bed today.
So you still refuse to address the actual patent application. Instead you want to talk about my mood and compare me to someone who isn't even part of the conversation?
There's a decent rebuttal of Mercola's squalene article [url=http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=851]here at [i]Science-Based Medicine[/i][/url].
"Dr." Mercola (an osteopath, not an M.D.) is a self-promoting fear-monger. [url=http://genome.fieldofscience.com/2009/09/scare-mongering-about-flu-vacci... this.[/url]
Well a bit of mercury poisoning is certainly more appetizing for me than having to endire a week of the sniffles. Thank god for big pharma.
Pogge, I remember that SPP flu fellow said he admires your blog.
That doesn't make me responsible for what he did or said. Meanwhile I've pointed out that your own primary source contradicts what you've said about it and you continue to ignore that and change the subject.
The NIH agrees with you...
The first article you point to is nine years old and in any event doesn't offer proof of anything that's "widely known" about the NIH. It shows a correlation but draws no conclusions about causation. The link between squalene and Gulf War Syndrome has been debunked. The next two links are broken but I probably wouldn't take the time to follow them anyway. I've seen enough to know that you don't seem to be able to properly assess the meaning or quality of your own evidence.
