Canadian H1N1 Vaccine will have mercury in it

Speaking of Toxic Assets... [url=http://www.counterpunch.org/rosenberg03202009.html]Meltdown in the Drug Industry[/url]

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Think you've got problems? Imagine being a 40K a year tuition college student catapulting toward graduation with no hot job offers or even prospects!

Once upon a time you could rely on pharma when all else failed for a decent starting job -- even if you did have to live in New Jersey.

Not anymore. Pharma is melting down like Wall Street--and for the same reasons.

Toxic assets? Unsafe drugs. Ponzi schemes? Safety studies that were there were never there to begin with. Indecent profits footed by taxpayers? Medicaid fraud and "patent drugs." Mayday mergers? Pfizer/Wyeth; Merck/Schering-Plough. New "business models"? Biologics and vaccines.

In fact while the nation gasps at AIG and Freddie losses, pharma is running a strong second with Merck paying out $4.85 billion for Vioxx, Pfizer $2.3 billion for Bextra (and $430 million for Neurontin) and Lilly $1.4 billion for Zyprexa.

After this month's Wyeth v. Levine Supreme Court ruling, settlements over fen phen, Baycol, Vytorin, Ketek, Avandia, Bextra, Celebrex, Prempro, Premarin, Zyprexa, Risperdal, Seroquel, Lexapro, Celexa, Cymbalta, Fosamax, Boniva, Effexor, Lyrica, Geodon, (pant, pant), Ablify, Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Chantix, Singulair, Ambien and Trovan should be forthcoming.

Capitalist quacks are desperate for profits.

pogge wrote:

Tigana wrote:

Pogge, I remember that SPP flu fellow said he admires your blog.

That doesn't make me responsible for what he did or said. Meanwhile I've pointed out that your own primary source contradicts what you've said about it and you continue to ignore that and change the subject.

Pogge, that is a patent, and those are the ingredients. I see no contradiction in saying that this rush to vaccinate is questionable at best and possibly a disaster in the making. It is a bonanza for pharma and some pols, our leaders and most commentators are scientifically illiterate, we need good food not vaxx, and all loyal Canadians should be asking why Ottawa has turned into Pharma Lobby Central.

Update: Pogge, may I suggest that you contact the author of the Baxter patent article to determine if your have taken the correct interpretation of her meaning. I have followed her work for some time and am quite certain that what you claim she said is not what she meant. 

Thanks, Pogge, I know of a good balm for split hairs.

It's the money that matters. PriceWaterhouseCoopers released a report that chastized pharma for bungling antidepressants and damaging the public's trust - and envisioning a golden future with vaccines as the new cash cow. PDF here:

http://www.pwc.com/gx/en/pharma-life-sciences/pharma-2020/pharma-2020-vi...

Update: Follow corruption at the NIH and other US institutions at POGO, the Project on Government Oversight:

http://www.pogo.org/search/search.jsp?query=nih&go=Go+»

It's always interesting to see how people adjust their conspiracy theories to take advantage of real events. The patent involving the African Green Monkeys was originally registered to Dyncorp and had nothing to do with Baxter. The researcher associated with it specializes primarily in hepatitis and if you google on "green monkey hepatitis" you'll get lots of hits. You'll also find that the virus is propagated in cell cultures and not harvested from living animals as some of the videos claim, though I have seen references to infecting chimpanzees with hepatitis in experiments.

But given recent events, it's much sexier if it can be somehow tied to Baxter and the flu. When I checked into it the first time it was brought up in another forum I couldn't find any evidence that the method had actually been used outside the research labs though my search wasn't really exhaustive. When I found out what I've already reported, I lost interest. But that raises another point to consider. Just because a method was patented, doesn't mean it was ever used in production. A lot of patents are registered on speculation so that no one else can get control of the idea.

So when do we get to the part about the world ending in 2012?

You didn't follow the links and see the references to 2012 and the endtimes, did you?

Pogge, you must have got up on the wrong side of the bed today.

These are the ingredients, more or less, and they are not our friends. 

And the last guy who mentioned CT to me did so because didn't want anyone to know what I had discovered - that he did not know that his US flu boss was also in the SPP. 

Update: I had forgotten that he mentioned personal correspondence with his friend Pogge. 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/22/374627/-Severe-Seasonal-Flu-in-A...

Info from the Excited States of America, but readers will be able to see how facts may apply to Canadians.

From http://www.razornylon.com/tag/odds-of-dying 
April 2009:

"If you are still that worried about swine flu here are some facts.  There are 68 cases of swine flu in the US and 304,059,724 people living in the United States (US census poll July 2008).  This give you the odds of 1:4,471,466 of just getting the swine flu.  Its hard to tell you the odds of dying cause no one in the US has yet to (though the CDC says that they expect some deaths).  So if you are still that worried here are some more odds that are likely to happen to you.

1. 1:4,343,710 – You will be struck by lighting this year
2. 1:1,000,000 – Dying from flesh eating bacteria
3. 1:40,733 – Dying of fireworks discharge
4. 1:144,156 – Dying of a flood
5. 1:117,127 – Dying of an earthquake
6. 1:79,746 – Dying of lightning
7. 1:62,468 – Dying of legal execution
8. 1:56,789 – Dying of a hornet, wasp, or bee sting
9. 1:13,729 – Dying of hot weather
10. 1:10,048 – Dying of alcohol poisoning
11. 1:9,908 – Dying of accidental electrocution (I’d like to know what intentional is)
12. 1:8,446 – Dying of flu-related causes during the 1990s
13. 1:5,051 – Dying of an air/space accident
14. 1:4,919 – Dying of a bicycling accident
15. 1:1,113 – Dying of fire or smoke
16. 1:1,020 – Dying of a motorcycle accident
17. 1:1,008 – Dying of drowning
18. 1:526 – Dying of a pedestrian accident
19. 1:314 – Dying of a firearm assault
20. 1:218 – Dying of falling
21. 1:119 – Dying of suicide
22. 1:84 – Dying of a motor vehicle accident
23. 1:24 – Dying of a stroke
24. 1:7 – Dying of cancer
25. 1:5 – Dying of heart disease

Although you are still more likely to get swine flu than to win the lottery.  Those odds are 1:120,000,000."

Let's think about this - 

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Discussion forum. Shows some odds of dying of swine flu in graphic form, compares the danger of morbidity and mortality from flu to other causes like malaria, and offers some videos. 

http://osiran.com/smf/index.php/topic,6.0.html

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"Obama declares national emergency"

" I make no determination as to whether H1N1A is truly the public threat they are presenting, although there have been deaths of children at a concerning rate, even here in Michigan – the fact is, the Stafford Act allows the Federal Government to strip away all your rights.  While this National Emergency is in effect, this gives the Federal Government carte blanche to use this declaration for whatever it pleases.  Rights have been now officially suspended.”

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/h1n1-obama-declares-nationa....

What will happen now to the rights of Canadians? What do you think?

Tigana wrote:

From http://www.razornylon.com/tag/odds-of-dying 
April 2009:

"If you are still that worried about swine flu here are some facts.  There are 68 cases of swine flu in the US and 304,059,724 people living in the United States (US census poll July 2008).  This give you the odds of 1:4,471,466 of just getting the swine flu.

Why give us statistics based on April, shortly after the virus was discovered, when it's almost the end of October? [url=http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/10/23/h1n1-world.html]This is from Friday.[/url]

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Nearly 5,000 people have reportedly died from swine flu since it emerged this year and developed into a global epidemic, the World Health Organization said Friday.

Since most countries have stopped counting individual swine flu cases, the figure is considered an underestimate.

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Donald Low, the medical director of Ontario's public health laboratories, told CBC News on Thursday that the number of serious cases has increased sharply in recent weeks.

The odds that you'll get sick and die are still low but they're not the same as they were in April and they'll probably be different again a couple of months down the road.

If you want to think carefully and do homework before deciding to get vaccinated, fair enough. But the decision should be based on facts you can scrutinize and verify. There's a lot of anti-vaccine stuff out there that just doesn't hold up to examination. When I get the impression someone has an agenda and is just throwing anything and everything she can find at me in the hopes that something will stick and most of it turns out to be nonsense, I don't give any of it any credibility.

remind wrote:

Believe me I hear it in worse constructs, but yet I manage to respect their freedom of conscience and not mock them.

Go upthread and check out the mocking I got for being in a bad mood because I insisted that the words in the patent application meant what they said instead of what Tigana tried to insist they said. Then note the mocking I got for drawing a distinction between correlation and causation which, [i]pace[/i] Tigana, is critical when considering matters like this. I don't recall you chastising her.

Are we doing the Fox News version of Fair and Balanced in which blatant nonsense that can be disproved in two seconds is to be treated with the same respect as verifiable facts?

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I hadn't noticed the number Tigana did on Greg Dworkin in post #45. If you want to accuse someone of mocking someone else, start with that. Greg (aka DemFromCT at Daily Kos, and he's out so I'm not revealing secrets) is an MD and the head of Pulmonary Pediatrics at a state hospital in Connecticut so I have no idea who his "US flu boss" is but this certainly reinforces my claim that Tigana is deep into conspiracy theories. Yes, Greg is my friend. I've met him and I've worked with him for over four years and I'm in a position to testify that he's not part of any conspiracy to keep us all sick and make the drug companies rich.

So, Tigana, did you get banned from Daily Kos for peddling this stuff? Is that why you're on the wrong side of the bed?

The vaccine causes autism, H1N1 is a government plot, the end is coming in 2012, reptillian shape-shifters secretly control the world conspiracy beliefs are all connected.  Remind says we shouldn't mock these people but that is the natural reaction, it's either that or cry because they really truly believe these things.  If one of their gurus has been disgraced or fired that actually makes them more reliable because they are trying tell the truth and the person who fired them or had them fired is obviously in on the conspiracy.  Babble needs to let different voices be heard but once you start down the path of putting wacky conspiracy theories on the same level as fact, whether it's the ones in this thread or 9/11 theories or even globalresearch links this whole board could become overrun and then a joke.

Beware haha

but seriously beware.

This is why I pointed out that this is scarily like religion.  Truth is negotiable, according to ennir, and Tigana uses the same tactics Christian apologists use when challenged on their "proof" that God exists.  Creationists use the same patterns and tactics to support six-day creation, question who determines what "facts" are.  This isn't about science or reality, it's based in belief and it's every bit as wonky as Christians who heal by prayer and refuse blood transfusions. 

So why do we have to defer to people's beliefs when they are clearly out of synch with demonstrated reality?  What's wrong with saying "No, that doesn't add up or make sense.  I think you've got it wrong."?

Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

But not the link between aluminum adjuvants and Gulf War Syndrome:

My understanding is that the Canadian vaccine will contain GSK's [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS03]AS03[/url] adjuvant and that it doesn't contain aluminum. Is that not right?

Edited to add link to Wikipedia's page on AS03. It doesn't tell you much but it does give you the ingredients.

Who knows?

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Canada's seasonal and pandemic flu vaccine contract is with GlaxoSmithKline, which makes the vaccines at its facility in Quebec City.

GSK plans to sell H1N1 vaccine that includes 3.75 microgram doses with adjuvant — 25 per cent of the size of the doses the United States is buying from pandemic vaccine suppliers that are not using adjuvants.

The federal government has ordered 50.4 million doses of vaccine, most of which will contain an adjuvant. About 1.2 million doses have been set aside that won't include the adjvuant and are intended for pregnant women. Little research has been done on the effect the adjuvant could have on them.

Other unresolved questions include whether an adjuvant is needed at all, given that studies so far suggest the H1N1 vaccines without the adjuvant seem to protect adults, and whether Canada could change its contract with GSK at this point.

from here

I'm trying. I'm trying to make it clear that some consideration should be given to the ingredients of the vaccines being injected into our bodies more and more frequently. I'm glad to see our government is finally giving it some consideration as well. It didn't seem to matter to them much a year ago during the Gardasil controversy.

I just got my H1N1 shot half an hour ago. I shall endeavour to keep the board informed should my condition markedly deteriorate.

from the wired article linked in post 23

Aluminum, the most common metal in nature, is perfectly safe in small does( a dose of antacid has about 1,000 times as much as a vaccine does.)

Response to Pogge:

1. Please declare if you have any conflicts of interest in the matter of health products in Canada.

2. DemfromCT, a "front pager", shut down my posting privileges at DK to prevent anyone seeing evidence that he was unaware that this man was his boss:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Steiger

Steiger, godson of Pappy Bush, was head of SPP and Homeland Security - and flu czar. DemfromCT complained about Steiger without knowing he was his director.  To be ignorant of that suggests that his knowledge is "sketchy" in other areas too - not someone you would buy a used car from....

For the record, other Canadians jumped into the DK thread and pursued the issue. The truth is the truth, whenther you have banning privileges or not.

Now the SPP is "dead" but the agenda continues - and we must remain vigilant.

Point 1 is just a tad insulting, Tigana, and bordering on a personal attack.

Caissa wrote:

Point 1 is just a tad insulting, Tigana, and bordering on a personal attack.

It's also designed to make it appear as if I'm part of the conspiracy. That's the real point.

Thanks, Snert. Very droll! The Onion often contains much truth.

After Merck's Gardasil bombed in Texas (Bible Belt parents said "No vaccine is going into the body of MY virgin daughter"!) Merck looked for a naive market for the product.

Oh! Canada!

And what a bonanza that turned out to be for Ken Boessenkool!

Tigana, have you ever bothered to click through to pogge's own website?

I know this will look like blog-peddling on my part, since I write to the same site (grâce à pogge), but he has been writing about and against the SPP from very early on, and just about everyone in the Canadian blogosphere who works on the problem (see especially [URL=http://creekside1.blogspot.com/]Alison at Creekside[/URL]) would tell you that without reserve.

Your peremptory note to Timebandit reminds me of nothing so much as the famous exchange between God and Nietzsche, and I can hardly wait to hear GOD's reaction this time, not to mention Timebandit's.

God talks to you, skdadl?

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God talks to you, skdadl?

Actually, yes, Tigana -- She does, always has.

GOD, pogge, and Timebandit are three other matters, but I'm relieved to see at least that I'm not fired.

Hi. 

Thanks for thinking of me in all this, but I'm not really going to weigh in on the vaccine issue.  Just do what you think is right for you. 

Yes Tigana, skdadl often comes to me with policy advice. BTW, you should have seen Nietzsche's face when he actually saw me for the first time! We get along fine now though, he's shaved off that pompous moustache and lightened up a bit.