It might be here where I live, one of my kids came home from school and reported that many kids were missing in school. If that is H1N1 then the immunisation shots might be too late. As I underst5and it takes about a week or so to become effective. ??
Is H1N1 in your area?
Tue, 2009-10-27 16:36
#1
Is H1N1 in your area?
Tue, 2009-10-27 16:43
#2
It is here, 50 km north of Montreal. A friend and neighbour is home with it.
Tue, 2009-10-27 16:56
#3
Polly B
We have it here (Grande Prairie, Alberta). Lots of kids out sick these days, local clinic says they have seen a number of cases.
Tue, 2009-10-27 17:12
#4
I was surprised to hear that if you have the flu these days, it's H1N1; it is not a minority strain among flu cases.
(Luckily, I don't play hockey.)
Tue, 2009-10-27 17:17
#5
I don't understand these nutty people who refuse to get vaccinated. It seems like a no-brainer to me - the risks from the vaccine are something like 1 in a million, compared to the huge risk of actually getting H1N1 and being bed-ridden for a week and possibly dying!
What is it with these people. Would they also refuse a smallpox vaccination during an epidemic???
Tue, 2009-10-27 17:28
#6
Timebandit
I may have had H1N1 last June. It was a bitch, whatever it was. I don't know if there are current cases here or not, but it wouldn't surprise me. Hopefully, we'll avoid it and get shots asap. I'm going to have to travel a bit before Christmas, and planes are a great place to catch a virus.
Tue, 2009-10-27 17:42
#7
the rejection of hard-won knowledge is by no means a new phenomenon. In 1905, french mathematician and scientist Henri Poincare said that the willingness to embrace pseudo-science flourished because people "know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether illusion is not more consoling."
Hence rather than believe a sometimes deadly virus that is from nature(and make no mistake - nature is cruel not some mythical garden of eden) is real , it's more comforting for some to believe it's all a big conspiracy for some companies to get rich selling a vaccine that is more danergous than the virus.
Tue, 2009-10-27 17:43
#8
Its like some crazy people I've met who think that smoking is healthy because tobacco is "natural".
Tue, 2009-10-27 17:46
#9
if you have or had H1N1 -you will have the normal flu symptoms but also feel like you were hit by a bus, barely able to get out of bed
that blanket/small pox story is widely believed to be a myth now - not that that lessens the terrible injustice inflicted on the native peoples
Tue, 2009-10-27 17:56
#10
Timebandit
if you have or had H1N1 -you will have the normal flu symptoms but also feel like you were hit by a bus, barely able to get out of bed
That's what the "probable" H1N1 I had was like - I didn't move off the couch for 4 days. The last time I was that immobilised I had pneumonia. Very rare for me to be out of commission for more than a day. It was like other flus I've had but just... more. More snot, more fever, more and bigger aches. Worst headache I've ever had.
Tue, 2009-10-27 17:57
#11
Its like some crazy people I've met who think that smoking is healthy because tobacco is "natural".
Getting run through with a tree branch is more natural and not more healthy even if it is a little quicker.
The definition of natural is such an interesting one: arsenic is natural; petroleum is natural; Tuberculosis is natural. Not everything that exists is good and not everything made by humans is bad.
Tue, 2009-10-27 17:58
#12
ElizaQ
I have been on the couch for the past three days with flu symptoms. The symptoms themselves aren't too bad they're managable, but yeah, maybe not hit by a bus, but maybe a big SUV. Doing anything is exhausting and if I go outside I start coughing and feeling way more ill. It's not fun. I know several other people that were hit with flu like symptoms last week and they're basically saying the same thing. It's the tiredness that's the big issue.
Anyways the nurse I talked to said it's likely H1N1 but unless tested they can't be sure. It is some sort of 'flu' whatever it is.
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:00
#13
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthanalysis/wendymesley/2009/10/todays...'s Question: Who's cashing in on swine flu?[/url]
I had to laugh at Wendy Mesley going to the book store in her H1N1 survival suit.
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:04
#14
ElizaQ
Well I know another 'who' that's cashing in, the juice producers. I've gone through litres of the stuff in the past few days. It's the only thing I've felt like eating/drinking.
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:08
#15
Disaster capitalism strikes again.
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:14
#16
Stockholm: Would they also refuse a smallpox vaccination during an epidemic???
Or a warm blanket at low cost from a friendly settler?
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:16
#17
I don't understand these nutty people who refuse to get vaccinated. It seems like a no-brainer to me - the risks from the vaccine are something like 1 in a million, compared to the huge risk of actually getting H1N1 and being bed-ridden for a week and possibly dying!
What is it with these people. Would they also refuse a smallpox vaccination during an epidemic???
Why would you get vaccinated?
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:19
#18
saganisking wrote: that blanket/small pox story is widely believed to be a myth now...
I thought wide beliefs - as opposed to historical records - were characteristic of myths.
Lord Jeffrey Amherst's letters discussing germ warfare against American Indians
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:29
#19
And all those accusations from North Korea and China that the US Army waged germ warfare in the 1950's is largely a myth, too. Or at least, that's the official story here in the west. Meanwhile, Ralph Nader says publicly funded universities in the US have been contracted by the military to do basic r&d for creating the deadliest biological weapons ever conceived of.
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:47
#20
Boom Boom
I haven't had the 'flu since getting vaccinated yearly for it, and that's been a long time. I still get the common cold like clockwork every year, however. Yes, I will get vaccinated for H1N1 and as soon as possible, because I suspect my immune system is compromised with all the other medications I am taking right now. I'm not aware that H1N1 has made an appearance here, but it's surely just a matter of time with sick people on our one transport plane and our one transport/freight cargo ship. This community gets the flu badly every year - why everyone doesn't get the flu shot is a mystery to me.
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:48
#21
Tigana
We all struggle for the truth. It's true that in health matters, good nutrition can be a great help - a lifesaver.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, October 27, 2009
Shots or Not?
The Plague, the Flu, and You
(OMNS, October 27, 2009) Swine flu. Bird flu. The media has everyone worrying about epidemics and pandemics. Yet there is nothing said about one of the great communicable diseases of all time: the plague. The Black Death. No, it is not extinct. There are new cases of plague in the United States every year, totaling over 400 cases since 1950.
And yes, there is a vaccination for it. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00044836.htm
So have you had your plague shot?
You haven't?
Why isn't your doctor urging you to get one? Do you know anyone who has had a plague vaccination? Then why is there no plague epidemic? And why is vaccination supposedly the only way to stop a flu epidemic?
One proffered explanation is that the diseases are dissimilar, because influenza is viral, and plague is bacterial. But tetanus is bacterial, and we aggressively vaccinate against that. Indeed, the CDC http://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html
specifies a considerable number of Vaccine Preventable Diseases http://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html#meningvpd
which are bacterial. These include, among others: anthrax, bacterial meningitis, diphtheria, Haemophilus influenzae serotype b, and, of course, pertussis (whooping cough).
Plague is not even on the CDC's list. Wait a minute! The Black Death, the disease that killed at least a quarter of Europe, hasn't even made the list of Vaccine Preventable Diseases?
Worldwide, there are over 2,000 cases, and hundreds of deaths, every year from the plague. In the United States, human plague cases average about 10 to 15 per year. http://www.dhpe.org/infect/plague.html
Most cases are in the Southwest. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm
CDC states that "persons who have regular contact with wild rodents or their fleas" in areas in which plague has occurred should be vaccinated. That's right, it isn't just rats that carry the fleas that carry the plague. Squirrels, mice, rabbits, coyotes, woodchucks, cats and dogs all carry fleas. Fleas are found everywhere. Then why isn't plague everywhere?
One explanation is that plague is climate related. This map shows plague distribution in the US: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm
If incidence were related merely to the heat of the day, we might expect a fair share of plague cases in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and Alabama. But there aren't. If plague is temperature-dependent, it is a confusing illness to say the least: how come almost all USA cases are in the warm, dry Southwest and yet plague decimated Europe in the 1300s? Most of Europe is a lot cooler than the American southwest. Indeed, too warm a climate may actually stop the spread of plague. http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL24636220080902
Perhaps plague does not spread because disease-carrying insects don't migrate very much. You wish. Insects spread rather rapidly. The Japanese beetle is an example. First discovered in the US in 1916, and seemingly limited to a one-half square mile area, in less than five years it had spread to 213 square miles of New Jersey. http://www.mosquito.rutgers.edu/jb.htm
. In far less than a human lifetime, these insects took over twenty states, from Maine to Montana to South Carolina. Insects are everywhere. That does not exclude fleas.
Unfortunately, rats have spread everywhere, too. No major city, town or farm is free of them.
What is striking about the plague is that it is still around and practically no one gets it. One must keep in mind that this disease killed 50 million people. Eventually, the great Black Death epidemics ended. Somehow. The epidemics were not stopped by killing every flea, every rodent or every house pet. The epidemics were not stopped by antibiotics, nor were the epidemics stopped by mass vaccination. Neither were available.
So if you, and the entire population of the USA, are not vaccinated against the plague, why doesn't it spread now in 2009 the way it spread in the past, killing at least one in four?
Generally, improved sanitation and improved nutrition are credited with such a victory.
If these work with plague, they might make a rather big impact on the flu.
Flu shots can have serious side effects. Perhaps even more importantly, they are largely ineffective. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n17.shtml
There is a ready alternative: to build up our immune systems, we can utilize large, orthomolecular doses of nutrients. Vitamin D, niacin, thiamine (vitamin B1), and vitamin C reduce the duration and severity of influenza. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n04.shtml
Many physicians consider high doses of vitamin C to be so powerful an antiviral that it may be considered the "other" immunization for a variety influenza strains. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n12.shtml
Flu shots are big news, and not a few would say that they are big business. But there has been no governmental push whatsoever for plague vaccination.
How come we supposedly need the one shot, and not the other?
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Tue, 2009-10-27 18:54
#22
Martin
I can't give links because I tend to still read more hard copy than on the web - fighting a losing battle to keep the publishing industry afloat 
- but that is what I had read in I think it was a recent issue of Harpers Magazine(could be wrong)
I tend to try to qualify my opinions on any topic because I don't claim to be correct in everything I state and dislike others who talk as if they speak "the truth", some may see that as a weakness but I'll admit when I learn something
thanks for the link
Tue, 2009-10-27 18:58
#23
I'm sure the death of the young boy in the Ottawa area today, will have more of an imapct on people decisions than any new age mumbo jumbo.
Tue, 2009-10-27 19:03
#24
No. I didn't vote for Mexican swine flu.
In 1987, the majority of Canadians voted against the trade deal between Canada and the Unitied States. The majority governing political party with a minority of the votes put through the trade deal anyways. Overnight, Canadian companies moved to Mexico.
To escape litigation in Florida, a pig farm moved it's operations to Mexico to avoid environmental laws in the United States. H1N1 came from, or at least nearby, this particular pig farm in Mexico.
In 1975, there was a swine flu. I don't think anyone died from this particular strain of flu, but many people who took the vaccine died. So, I am not surprised that many people won't be taking a vaccine for the 2009 Mexican swine flu aka H1N1.
Perhaps, my Canada Pension Plan is now poised to rake in profits for recent investments in the military and big pharmaceutical companies. My British Columbia health information is kept by a big military corporation in the United States. Unbeknownst to me, I am probably heavily invested in the big military industrial pharma corpse. So, I don't think it really matters one way or another whether or not one takes a vaccine because this is already a done deal for Big Pharma. They've made the maximum amount of profit by making the maximum amount of vaccine whether or not everyone takes it or not. And, the government of Canada has backed up Big Pharma, so that if anything does go wrong, Big Pharma won't be liable at all. I guess my Big Pharma investments must be safe.
Let's see if I can spell listeriosis.
Maybe someone planted H1N1 in Mexico to try and scare people from going to Mexico. Certainly from the bellowing of the news corpses, you might think it was unsafe to go to Mexico. I don't know about H1N1, but the circus is coming to town this winter, and Mexico sounds like a great place to escape to.
I guess Mexico is in my area. I didn't vote for that either.
Tue, 2009-10-27 19:12
#25
I'm sure the death of the young boy in the Ottawa area today, will have more of an imapct on people decisions than any new age mumbo jumbo.
Right you are. More shock and awe for the masses.
Almost sounds like Meningitis. A friend of mine passed away like that at 18. He had flu-like symptoms and a sore neck/back.
There is now danger of misdiagnosis of H1N1 - it may be easier to write it off as such and move on to the next patient. Diseases such as Meningitis can still be lurking with similar symptoms.
Certainly a sad loss - but as parents keep an eye on all symptoms and just don't assume it is H1N1
Tue, 2009-10-27 19:27
#26
Our hospital emergency rooms in Northern Ontario are filled with people suffering from run of the mill flu every year at this time. I think statistics show that air pollution kills as many or more people in Canada.
There was an underreported story on CBC news last night about a new multivaccinal resistant superbug discovered by a doctor in Alberta. The remarkable thing about it is that it's being found in urine samples of otherwise healthy people.
Tue, 2009-10-27 19:49
#27
McGill students hit by H1N1 (Could they have had a hand in developing that superbug?) Anyway, they are demanding special treatment - an on-site vaccination clinic, no less - cuz the golden sons and daughters of the aristocracy don't have time to go wait in line at a regular clinic off campus. Privilege as usual. The Quebec government is saying no, so expect the usual suspect to yell blue murder.
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:13
#28
Polly B
**Nutty person alert***
I am not getting the vaccination. I doubt that it's necessary given the risk factors, and in any case I think I may have already had the flu.
Further, I am definitely not in the groups identified to be "at risk" - pregnant, elderly, babies, immune compromised, health workers etc. So if I did feel there was some benefit to the shot, to me it would feel pretty damn self serving to take a dose that could potentially go to someone who needs it worse than I. I don't know if they have rectified it, but earlier this fall WHO had reported that they were certain that there would not be enough vaccine for everyone.
Meh, it's a flu.
I find this a hell of a lot scarier.....http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/10/27/teens-heart-risk-factors-ont.html
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:15
#29
I am still really confused about what to do. I am 19 weeks along and the recommended adjuvant-free vaccination won't be available here until Nov 9th. Today they are saying that women at 20 wks or over [url= http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/index.cfm?sid=298054&sc=98] should get [/url] the one with adjuvant.
It is spreading here - lots of absences from schools, etc. I don't want to risk it, but I also don't want to take something that has never been tested
on pregnant women. All of the information being put out is conflicting and confusing a lot of people. My co-workers are confused, the media doesn't seem
to be of any help and I have heard of some bad reactions from the vaccine.
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:18
#30
RevolutionPlease
Nice post Polly B, I agree.
Careful Ghislaine, you don't want to be labelled here as "nuts" or "crazy"
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:27
#31
I don't want health officials to not take this seriously if it serious. BUT where is all the freaking out over cancer rates? And all of the things that we know are causing them. One thing I have found with being expecting is all the things that you are supposedly bad for the baby, but for some reason okay for everyone else? It just seems so weird. Don't eat fish with mercury...but we swear it is okay for you in a few months! If it is bad for babies - it must be bad for everyone, right?
Sorry for the drift, but it would be nice to get 1/4 of the concern/action over the things causing cancer or preventable diseases.
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:27
#32
You're not nutty, Polly; I used to not get it - and as you know, I'm deep in the pockets of Big Pharma 
But I have mild asthma that has worsened as I've gotten older, and I work in a facility with a lot of vulnerable people: our patients are 5x more likely to be HIV +ve, and 12x more likely to have hepatitis C, and there's emphysema, asthma, cardiac problems, etc.
I don't believe in coercion. But I might mention the concept of herd immunity, where transmission of a disease goes down if enough people get innoculated.
Your point about not being enough shots to go around is certainly valid.
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:32
#33
Ghislaine, here's a valid link to the kind of information you need:
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/alert-alerte/h1n1/index-eng.php
Re: side effects. There's a disorder called Guillaine-Barre syndrome that is a rare complication of the flu vaccine. However ... your chances of getting Guillaine-Barre from being infected with the flu are actually higher than getting it from the flu shot.
Here's a link to information from the CDC - that's the Centre for Disease Control in Atlanta, GA (their vaccines are a bit different stateside, but risks/benefits the same).
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr58e0724a1.htm
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:41
#34
The particular combination of H1N1 vaccine and AS03 adjuvant was [url=http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/10/21/h1n1-vaccine-us-uk.html]approv... based on a clinical trial of 130 people. That [i]is[/i] a small clinical trial. FWIW, the AS03 adjuvant has [url=http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/newsreleases/2009/H1N1Adjuvant.htm]previo... been tested[/url] in clinical trials involving 39,000 people and avian flu vaccines using AS03 have been approved "in both the European Union and some Asian countries." As far as supply is concerned, the Canadian government [url=http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/media/nr-rp/2009/2009_0806-eng.php]ordered 50 million doses[/url] so I don't think we'll run out -- at least not in the long run. I don't know if any of that helps anyone make a decision but there it is.
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:45
#35
Polly B
Hmm. I can see where they may have ordered that many, but I can't find anything that says that they presently have anywhere near that amount on hand.
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:47
#36
No, I don't think they've taken delivery on the entire order. That's why I added "in the long run."
Tue, 2009-10-27 20:51
#37
Tigana
The CDC is plagued with scandals and has not shown itself to be a group that takes much interest in the common good, but at least they admit the approved tests cannot show if you actually have H1N1.
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/guidance/rapid_testing.htm
"None of the currently FDA approved RIDTs can distinguish between influenza A virus subtypes (e.g. seasonal influenza A (H3N2) versus seasonal influenza A (H1N1) viruses), and RIDTs cannot provide any information about antiviral drug susceptibility."
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:03
#38
The particular combination of H1N1 vaccine and AS03 adjuvant was [url=http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/10/21/h1n1-vaccine-us-uk.html]approv... based on a clinical trial of 130 people. That [i]is[/i] a small clinical trial. FWIW, the AS03 adjuvant has [url=http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/newsreleases/2009/H1N1Adjuvant.htm]previo... been tested[/url] in clinical trials involving 39,000 people and avian flu vaccines using AS03 have been approved "in both the European Union and some Asian countries." As far as supply is concerned, the Canadian government [url=http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/media/nr-rp/2009/2009_0806-eng.php]ordered 50 million doses[/url] so I don't think we'll run out -- at least not in the long run. I don't know if any of that helps anyone make a decision but there it is.
It wasn't tested on pregnant women though - that was my point. That is why they are telling pregnant women to get the non-adjuvant version...until today for women more than 20 wks along.
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:09
#39
Tigana
I'm sure the death of the young boy in the Ottawa area today, will have more of an imapct on people decisions than any new age mumbo jumbo.
What mumbo jumbo? Don't be dissing the Canada Food Rules.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/res-rech/res-prog/eat-aliment/guiding_cdn_l...
Update:
Dr. Frederic Calon of Laval University observed in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, on Feb14, 2006, that the price modern medicine pays for its ignorance about nonpatentable drugs is simply unsustainable. Calon is a molecular endocrinologist and oncologist who criticizes the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on researching patentable molecules for cancer and Alzheimer’s when, in fact, “it is quite possible that suboptimal consumption of [essential] fatty acids … will soon translate into increasingly more patients with Alzheimer’s disease.”
Calon goes on to support what was once heresy: “Folic acid, mineral and vitamin supplements are good examples of low-cost nonpatentable drugs commonly recommended by health professionals. Americans experience osteoporotic fractures each year, with an annual cost of US$14 billion in health care alone” while “a 400 UI vitamin D and a 1,000 mg calcium supplement reduces the risk of fracture by at least 15% [and] costs less than CN$200 per patient per year.”
http://www.vitalitymagazine.com/the_orthomolecular_universe_-_where_natu...
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:10
#40
Oh yes, it's here. Local Facebook friends are reporting having come down with it. Now I know not to talk to them in real life. 
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:14
#41
"shock and awe" ??? if he had had the shot in time he mostly likely would be alive right now. Scepticism is totally fine but it can cross a line into paranoia. Herd immunity is important for everyone, so while the decision to not vaccinate yourself or your children might be a personal choice it doesn't just affect you.
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:16
#42
It wasn't tested on pregnant women though - that was my point.
Didn't realize that was the specific point though I probably should have put two and two together from your post. I don't know of any testing information regarding pregnant women offhand. And that's certainly one of the reasons they ordered a small quantity of non-adjuvanted vaccine.
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:18
#43
Tigana
Doug
Flu shots can have serious side effects. Perhaps even more importantly, they are largely ineffective.................http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n17.shtml
There is a ready alternative: to build up our immune systems, we can utilize large, orthomolecular doses of nutrients. Vitamin D, niacin, thiamine (vitamin B1), and vitamin C reduce the duration and severity of influenza.http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n04.shtml
Many physicians consider high doses of vitamin C to be so powerful an antiviral that it may be considered the "other" immunization for a variety influenza strains.............. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n12.shtml
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:20
#44
RevolutionPlease
Ghislaine, there may be some non-adjuvanted vaccine next week.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/10/27/11536691-sun.html
On the first day of a countrywide public immunization campaign, Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq said the unadjuvanted vaccine, manufactured by CSL Australia, should be available as early as next week.
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:25
#45
. . . What is striking about the plague is that it is still around and practically no one gets it. One must keep in mind that this disease killed 50 million people. Eventually, the great Black Death epidemics ended. Somehow. The epidemics were not stopped by killing every flea, every rodent or every house pet. The epidemics were not stopped by antibiotics, nor were the epidemics stopped by mass vaccination. Neither were available.
So if you, and the entire population of the USA, are not vaccinated against the plague, why doesn't it spread now in 2009 the way it spread in the past, killing at least one in four?
Generally, improved sanitation and improved nutrition are credited with such a victory.
If these work with plague, they might make a rather big impact on the flu.
Thanks for this, Tigana. Very interesting. Interesting too that reserves have been hit harder than non-reserve populations. Knowing the condition of some of these reserves, many in Manitoba with ongoing boil-water orders, do ya think water and general community health might have something to do with it?
Also, re: plague: not just santitation, but those who survived passed their genes on - genes which survived plague. This is how herd immunity works, too, folks. Not as herds of cattle or sheep stampeding to the public health clinics, but in building up natural immunity via natural immune response (and yes, I know what vaccines do: these are still induced immune responses - not the same).
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:28
#46
ElizaQ
bleh...post didn't work and I'm too tired to rewrite it...
carry on... :)
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:54
#47
Why are there still people suffering from leprosy when there was a cure decades ago? We have new people to Canada with leprosy tucked away in isolation hospitals. Why is this the case if big pharma just wants to rid the world of sickness and disease? Why don't they let those countries run a tab for the white powder pills and potions and ask them to pay whenever they pick themselves from the gutter and up to the sewer in terms of failed and failing versus becoming successful and self-sustaining nation states? They could tell them, Take our pills and potions now. And call us when there arent so many of you dying of this capitalist economic long run our western institutions are foisting on you and hundreds of millions of other human beings.
Tue, 2009-10-27 21:59
#48
remind
Hope you feel better soon eliza...
Wed, 2009-10-28 00:15
#49
Tigana
Why are there still people suffering from leprosy when there was a cure decades ago? We have new people to Canada with leprosy tucked away in isolation hospitals. Why is this the case if big pharma just wants to rid the world of sickness and disease? Why don't they let those countries run a tab for the white powder pills and potions and ask them to pay whenever they pick themselves from the gutter and up to the sewer in terms of failed and failing versus becoming successful and self-sustaining nation states? They could tell them, Take our pills and potions now. And call us when there arent so many of you dying of this capitalist economic long run our western institutions are foisting on you and hundreds of millions of other human beings.
Thanks for bringing up this point, Fidel.
One day it came to my attention that a certain young actress was volunteering with an organization for "neglected diseases".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neglected_Diseases
One medication covers a wide spectrum of parasites that this group is concerned with, has a good safety record, and can be used by animals and people. It costs pennies for a cure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albendazole
Time to cut out the middlemen....
Wed, 2009-10-28 02:42
#50
The trouble is that orthomolecular vitamin treatment usually doesn't do anything useful and sometimes causes harm.
http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/08/orthomolecular-medicine-big-talk-little...
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Orthomolecular_Medici...
Wed, 2009-10-28 05:09
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Tigana
The trouble is that orthomolecular vitamin treatment usually doesn't do anything useful and sometimes causes harm.
http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/08/orthomolecular-medicine-big-talk-little...
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Orthomolecular_Medici...
Doug, the sources you cite are the American Cancer Society and a veterinarian's blog.
Vitamin harm? Where are the bodies?
http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitsafety.html
Cancer treatments of radiation, chemo and surgery may be unneccessary. Check out these Canadian health resources.
http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ - hemp oil for cancer
http://www.essiacinfo.org/ - Native herbal cure for cancer
http://www.whale.to/c/hoffer.html - orthomolecular treatments for cancer used by Dr. Abram Hoffer, Saskatchewan physician
http://web.archive.org/web/20070929195456/http://www.islandnet.com/~hoffer/
This cancer site is not Canadian, and it's not about vitamins, but it is very neat.
http://www.cancerisafungus.com/