Trevor, where did I ask you to disclose who you work for?You have asked people to disclose such information. Not me, although in June you implied that I was paid by the drug companies to post here.
Please post the quotes here, or to retract your statement.
...ennir fixed link
From the CBC, "The final picture of how the vaccine works won't be clear until well after Canada's largest immunization program is underway."
Your link doesn't work. The quote only says what we already know. Information from flu immunizations increases as the immunization program moves along. We do testing to find out as much of the picture as we can and we continue to learn more after the testing. That says nothing about whether this vaccine was rushed or not tested.
Couldn't be [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/humanities-science/25-billion-spent-no-alter... one[/color][/url], could it?
Trevor, your thoughts on the safety of our medical watchdogs - Health Canada and the FDA - would change forever if you looked at the work of Dr. Shiv Chopra. His book, CORRUPT TO THE CORE, will open your eyes.
http://www.kospublishing.com/html/corrupt_to_the_core.html
So will the story of the death of Terence Young's daughter -
http://www.truemantuck.ca/articles.php?command=show&cID=47
And, without pointing any fingers, I'd like to note that some people may get paid to derail discussions of prescription drug dangers and leave pro-pharma comments on discussion boards.
Couldn't be [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/humanities-science/25-billion-spent-no-alter... one[/color][/url], could it?
Trevor, your thoughts on the safety of our medical watchdogs - Health Canada and the FDA - would change forever if you looked at the work of Dr. Shiv Chopra. His book, CORRUPT TO THE CORE, will open your eyes.
http://www.kospublishing.com/html/corrupt_to_the_core.html
So will the story of the death of Terence Young's daughter -
http://www.truemantuck.ca/articles.php?command=show&cID=47
And, without pointing any fingers, I'd like to note that some people may get paid to derail discussions of prescription drug dangers and leave pro-pharma comments on discussion boards.
And who is named in the post? Is someone accused? No.
"This is a repeat request. I don't have any connection to the health industry, functions of government or the marketing of health products. How about you, Caissa? Declaration of conflicts of interest is standard today. See the BMJ. Anything to declare?"
"If participants in this thread have interests that could interfere with their ability to be impartial and loyal to Canada, please declare now."
"Response to Pogge: 1. Please declare if you have any conflicts of interest in the matter of health products in Canada."
And clearly directed at me on June 15th "And, without pointing any fingers, I'd like to note that some people may get paid to derail discussions of prescription drug dangers and leave pro-pharma comments on discussion boards."
From the same CBC article, "Worldwide trials of the vaccine began in September, mostly small groups of adults. Canadian vaccine trials started this week and the results won't be available until next year."
You may disagree with the methods of which flu vaccine trials are carried out. However, that is how they are done. The most relevant information is acquired immediately when the trial participants receive the vaccination. What has occured for this H1N1 vaccine is no different than other influenza vaccinations. The claim you are making that THIS vaccination has been rushed and untested. That is not true. It has undergone the same testing as all influenza vaccines.
Trevor, to ask if someone has a conflict of interest is not the same as asking them where they are employed.
"And, without pointing any fingers," meant exactly that.
Also, if I had interests in or were employed in an alternative health profession, I would have had to recuse myself.
Stop looking for conspiracies everywhere, Trevor.
"And, without pointing any fingers," meant exactly that.
You and everyone present know exactly what it meant. There was a reason why you said it and it is a fairly common "debating" tactic among conspiracy theorists.
If the results won't be available until next year then is that standard practice? That just sounds like the testing is done on those who volunteer to take it.
"And, without pointing any fingers," meant exactly that.You and everyone present know exactly what it meant. There was a reason why you said it and it is a fairly common "debating" tactic among conspiracy theorists.
Trevor, we know that debating conspiracy theorists is a hobby of yours. But claiming someone is such without more than an opinion does not advance the pursuit of truth. In fact, claiming someone is a conspiracy theorist is a debating tactic.
But claiming someone is such without more than an opinion does not advance the pursuit of truth. In fact, claiming someone is a conspiracy theorist is a debating tactic.
Ok, you are not a conspiracy theorist. You just post conspiracy theories all over the forum. The difference? Beats me.
If the results won't be available until next year then is that standard practice? That just sounds like the testing is done on those who volunteer to take it.
People who get a flu shot understand that they are getting a vaccination which has had decades of study, trials, and been given to millions of people. They also understand that while the vaccine they are getting is well tested, the specific strain of influenza in the vaccine has not been tested to the same degree because such testing would not be possible on a virus that mutates every year. Each flu vaccine has many trials throughout the world where people are given the vaccination and are part of a trial which goes on for an extended period of time which is mainly to monitor for the effectiveness of the vaccine at preventing illness. The results of any side effect which occur at the time of vaccination or in the following weeks are known before the vaccine program is started. Those in the trial are also followed for subsequent months to monitor for any significantly delayed side effects. In the history of influenza vaccines I have heard of no cases of this occuring, but it is standard practice for obvious reasons. The side effects which occured with the 1976 flu vaccine all would have occured well within the time frame of the length of time between the current trials and the start of the vaccine program. Those side effects were not identified early because of poor tracking. No side effects beyond the usual minor side effects at the time of injection such as soreness have been reported from the trials. That includes not just the ones in Canada, but the trials conducted in other countries. Claims of the H1N1 vaccines effectiveness at preventing becoming ill with the flu are unknown at least to me. I am assuming the trials will shed light on this information over the coming year.
Thanks, Trevor. We all search for truth, have questions and struggle to find answers to make a better Canada and a better world.
Possible effects of swine flu vaccine? Video - LiveLeak
One in a million - or the shape of things to come?
http://angelacorrias.blogspot.com/2009/10/possible-effects-of-swine-flu-...
Ron Paul, MD, and former presidential candidate, speaks out against dangerous vaccines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJiTStZtrlE
No reason why Canadians should pay any attention, right?
Looks like you can take folks out of the village, but not all the village out of some folks. :D
One in a million - or the shape of things to come?
http://angelacorrias.blogspot.com/2009/10/possible-effects-of-swine-flu-...
Yes one in a million...
Short of proving it was the adjuvant that caused some of these problems its very likely she and others would have gotten this problem falling ill with the flu itself. Ive seen some people fall ill with the flu and get Guyllain Barre or pneumonia or some other complication that affects a handful of people every year. But H1N1 is not a flu we can gamble with. If it becomes a pandemic like 1918 it will be far worse than a few people sadly winning out on the genetic or immune deficiency syndrome lottery.
If it was up to me this vaccine would be obligatory. There is no way we will be able to take care of even a small fraction of people who fall ill with this. The health care system works at capacity or close to it most of the time already. If the vaccine means you can simply stay at home for a few days vs desperately need hospital care you have to understand how vital it is most people take it. At least anyone under 50 years of age.
Well, I am very glad it is not up to you, that you could dismiss what happened to that young woman with a 'well she would probably have had the same thing happen if she got the flu anyways' is unacceptable in my opinion. Personally I have never seen or even heard of anyone who now walks backwards as a result of the flu.
As I understand it the WHO is calling it a pandemic now and another poster just explained that defining it as a pandemic does not mean it is a killer flu just as the 1918 one was, it just means that a lot of people are getting it.
Fear, fear, fear, just keep feeding us all fear and pretty soon regardless of flu or not we will be sick from fear.
The 1919-1920 flu killed mostly by setting up folks for pneumonia and there was no antibiotic available. Pierre ignores such distinctions.
The 1919-1920 flu killed mostly by setting up folks for pneumonia and there was no antibiotic available. Pierre ignores such distinctions.
Influenza sets you up for pneumonia by damaging the epithelial lining of the lungs, making it "stickier," (simplifying greatly here), and also affecting immune responses. It also increases your chances of developing Staphloococcus aureus pneumonia, which is virulent and can lead to abscesses and something called necrotizing pneumonia, and if it's MRSA, it can be hard to treat.
Basically, your lungs are severely damaged and fill up with pus, and then you die.
So...whether you die of the flu or of a 2ndary pneumonia that the flu set you up for, I'm not sure what distinctions need to be made, unless you feel there are different kinds of dead.
As to not commenting on some links and asking me to give my opinion on the credentials and opinions of a virologist who was fired by the FDA over 30 years ago, I think it was Trevor who said it only takes a couple of seconds to link to a discreditable site, and a fair bit of time to refute. I do appreciate that babblers respect my opinions, but I have to sleep sometimes, people. I'll drop by when I can.
Regarding the woman who came down with a severe neurological disorder after getting a flu shot - I looked into that, and it's yet another example of crap reporting. Underneath headlines saying, "Woman disabled by flu shot reaction," it says she developed this condition 10 days after getting the shot, and causality has not been proven; she could have developed a viral infection of the brain that had nothing to do with the flu shot.
Ron Paul, MD, and former presidential candidate, speaks out against dangerous vaccines:
Now you're quoting right-wing xenophobic libertarians and conspiracy theorists at us?
Got any videos of him denouncing abortion?
"So...whether you die of the flu or of a 2ndary pneumonia that the flu set you up for, I'm not sure what distinctions need to be made, unless you feel there are different kinds of dead."
I guess I was trying to bring some perspective to it by saying antibiotics were absent back when, sineed. Breathing slowly will help relax.
As I understand it the WHO is calling it a pandemic now and another poster just explained that defining it as a pandemic does not mean it is a killer flu just as the 1918 one was, it just means that a lot of people are getting it.
Fear, fear, fear, just keep feeding us all fear and pretty soon regardless of flu or not we will be sick from fear.
Basically the criteria used by the WHO is if it's a disease that is widespread and has killed people. I don't know if it's a matter of what the media is paying attention to, but given AIDS, malaria, tuberculosis etc, I have to wonder why the World Health Organisation is paying particular attention to H1N1.
Regarding the woman who came down with a severe neurological disorder after getting a flu shot - I looked into that, and it's yet another example of crap reporting. Underneath headlines saying, "Woman disabled by flu shot reaction," it says she developed this condition 10 days after getting the shot, and causality has not been proven; she could have developed a viral infection of the brain that had nothing to do with the flu shot.
Thank you for the perfect example of how parents of children damaged by vaccines are dismissed so easily, and why I do not trust those who dispense them.
Now you're quoting right-wing xenophobic libertarians and conspiracy theorists at us?Got any videos of him denouncing abortion?
Yep, there was even a link to Wing Nut Daily in the previous thread chunk.
Speaking of, I should head over there to see what the teabaggers take on vaccination is. If I don't come back, assume I've been shot.
As I understand it the WHO is calling it a pandemic now and another poster just explained that defining it as a pandemic does not mean it is a killer flu just as the 1918 one was, it just means that a lot of people are getting it.
Fear, fear, fear, just keep feeding us all fear and pretty soon regardless of flu or not we will be sick from fear.
Basically the criteria used by the WHO is if it's a disease that is widespread and has killed people. I don't know if it's a matter of what the media is paying attention to, but given AIDS, malaria, tuberculosis etc, I have to wonder why the World Health Organisation is paying particular attention to H1N1.
I'd say that the media and the fact that this particular influenza is a newer strain. WHO does pay attention to all those diseases, and at least with HIV/AIDS does talk about it in terms of a pandemic. I think arguements can be made for and against what they do regarding those diseases but to say they aren't paying attention to them is false. In regions such as Africa there is also a connection between AIDS and tuberculosis as a large percentage of people who have aids end up with TB and dying from it. TB for the most part is a treatable disease which is why we don't see it the numbers that it once was. However new antibiotic resistant strains have been showing up which are causing some concern that if not tackled it could emerge once again into a form that could once again take on pandemic porportions.
The WHO's definition of pandemic is merely that an outbreak of something appears in more than one country or WHO region, so by those criteria, the new strains of TB are probably also "pandemic".
Ron Paul, MD, and former presidential candidate, speaks out against dangerous vaccines:
Now you're quoting right-wing xenophobic libertarians and conspiracy theorists at us?
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Ron Paul seems like a kind, reasonable and sensible person to me.
I imagine that Tommy Douglas had a similar character.
Update: Ron Paul calls Obama's flu progam a total failure.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/10/ron-paul-federal-rese...
The health care system works at capacity or close to it most of the time already.
Works? Not so sure about that... e-health on Ontario comes to mind.
Ontario's Ministry of Health had $1B for "consultants" in a budget of $40B - but not even $200/mo. for a food allowance for the poor, disabled, elderly, children... though nutrition is the basis of good health and prevention.
No, not "working".
Tigana, that's not what I wrote. That quote is from Aristotleded24.
Ron Paul seems like a kind, reasonable and sensible person to me.
No surprise there.
Ron Paul seems like a kind, reasonable and sensible person to me.
No surprise there.
Yes, no surprise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
"On the heels of his historic three-day rally in Minneapolis that drew over 12,000 attendees, Congressman Ron Paul will make a major announcement next week in Washington at the National Press Club."[132] The congressman had reportedly invited presidential candidates Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader to the press conference, leading some to speculate that they would endorse Paul running for president on the ticket of either the Constitution, Libertarian or other third party.[132][133]
America and the rest of the world got some unpleasant surprises with Obama. Drones, bombings, ongoing wars...
Aristotleded24 wrote
"Basically the criteria used by the WHO is if it's a disease that is widespread and has killed people. I don't know if it's a matter of what the media is paying attention to, but given AIDS, malaria, tuberculosis etc, I have to wonder why the World Health Organisation is paying particular attention to H1N1."
Marcia Angell wrote at length about academe selling out. Now Proctor and Gamble has established a partnership with the CDC, the Pasteur Institute and other groups that should be independent.
http://www.pg.com/pghsi/collaborations/
And if you download the PDF
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/512634
from the Journal of Infectious Diseases you will see an impressive list of corporate multinational sponsors.
There's no reason to think that the WHO is different.
http://www.essentialaction.org/access/uploads/igwg.contributorlinks.pdf
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/
Never underestimate the power of a lobbyist.
http://www.harperindex.ca/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=0062
Canada challenged over pharma bias
http://www.communicationagents.com/sepp/2004/02/28/health_canada_challen...
I am a perfect candidate now for death by flu or h1n1 because I have a blood disorder and just had pnumonia but there is no chance of getting the h1n1 vaccine not because of panic and a stampede to get it. A very young kid (13 or 14) died of it after just a couple of days! and another few kids had to go on ventilators in BC. Reality bit and panic set in. I know a guy (about 40) who has been sick for a whole month wiith it. He is at the doctor almost every day.
When I got out of hospital, the hospital doctor said I had to get the normal flu vaccine and the h1n1 vaccine. (H1N1 because it is so weird and hits people so differently). Anyway, last week, my lungs were filling up with blood and I could not even cough it up. 4 times I got up some "pflegm" but it was pure blood.
(Much like what h1n1 will do) .
So do you want to risk up to 2 weeks of smothering in your own blood or a vaccination?
Lets pretend a 20% chance of getting severe swine flu if you do not get vaccination. And a 1 in 500,000 chance of complications from the vaccine jab.
Which option carries the greater risk? And any of these people who are worried about the vaccine do pot or smoke or drink strong alcoholic beverages?
Because if you do, your body is not such a temple after all.
Brian
Remember Cabbage Patch Doll riots?
http://www.laleva.cc/choice/sars/sars.html
INFLUENZA AND PNEUMONIA IN CANADA
"In Canada, it has been estimated that there are between 70,000 to 75,000 hospitalizations and 6,000 to 7,000 deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza in an average year[iii]. [In 1997, the last year that free information is available, 8032 people died from pneumonia and influenza.[iv]] These numbers could be multiplied several times in an epidemic year. Thus, the impact of influenza should not be underestimated both in terms of morbidity and mortality, and the economic costs associated with illness. [v]"
Note that SARS is not even close to making the list of leading killers in Canada. The fifteenth leading cause of death in Canada in 1997 was HIV, with 626 deaths, a full 616 above SARS. Curiously, lightning kills an average of 16 people per year in Canada[vi].
Further, those who have (supposedly) died of SARS in Canada have been in the high risk category (elderly), with the exemption of one 43 year old male whose medical history may also put him in the high risk category. The median age of death was 70.2 years old[vii]. This illness is not killing the young and healthy.
MANUFACTURING EPIDEMICS
So, why is there so much media and government attention being given to SARS, in a country where more people die of lightning strikes, and avalanches, (not to mention falling off bar stools)? A compelling explanation has been made by Dr. Leonard Horowitz in his article SARS: Great Global Scam. He is the author of thirteen books including the national bestseller, Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola-Nature, Accident or Intentional? And Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare.
"Rather than a public health emergency, the "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome," generally called SARS, is best diagnosed as a "Sickening and Repulsive Scam." This article argues that this unprecedented viral attack is, alternatively, an ingenious social experiment featuring institutionalized bioterrorism for widespread psycho-social control." Full article available at http://sarsscam.com/
What better way to sell newspapers, then war and disasters? What better way to boost budgets for hospitals and staff than have another "health emergency" that demonstrates the inadequacy of current funding levels?
What better way to boost sales for vaccine manufacturers then come up with broad definitions for new diseases such as SARS, scare people into believing that these diseases are rampant in their community and that their best hope is a harmless inoculation. Stay tuned for the SARS vaccine, and watch people line up around the block.
Thank you for the perfect example of how parents of children damaged by vaccines are dismissed so easily, and why I do not trust those who dispense them.
So you'd rather medical people made decisions on the basis of no evidence?
It's Hallowe'en, so I've got rubber leeches all over my face as I'm handing out candy to the kids, both because it's gross, and as a tribute to the history of medicine.
I am from europe and that means my genes are set up for a knockout by certain ilnesses. If I was from asia, it would be a different set of ilnesses. If sars killed 10% of people it hit in canada, that is a big percentage. Good job it did not hit a million people, in canada then, isn't it? And that's why they hit it so hard at the start. If they just wanted to sell vaccine, it would have been better to turn it lose across the country, wouldn't it?
So your conspiracy theory makes no sense at all. Remember how many people were killed when swine flu broke out first. I guess it mutated to be less deadly and get around more.
Now, it might mutate the other way to be more deadly. This mutation might hit white people worse, or black people or asians. Nobody knows. Better to be vaccinated and protected, and slow the spread and mutations down, I think.
Thank you for the perfect example of how parents of children damaged by vaccines are dismissed so easily, and why I do not trust those who dispense them.
So you'd rather medical people made decisions on the basis of no evidence?
It's Hallowe'en, so I've got rubber leeches all over my face as I'm handing out candy to the kids, both because it's gross, and as a tribute to the history of medicine.
The fact that you would dismiss it so quickly is shocking to me but when I think about it, it is not surprising at all and it is precisely why I have so little confidence in what you call medicine.
I read they were bringing leeches back, seems like they do have some benefits after all not that I am going to line up for that treatment either.
A compelling explanation has been made by Dr. Leonard Horowitz in his article SARS: Great Global Scam. He is the author of thirteen books including the national bestseller, Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola-Nature, Accident or Intentional? And Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare.
"Rather than a public health emergency, the "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome," generally called SARS, is best diagnosed as a "Sickening and Repulsive Scam." This article argues that this unprecedented viral attack is, alternatively, an ingenious social experiment featuring institutionalized bioterrorism for widespread psycho-social control."
Still touting the [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/humanities-science/shame-suzanne-somers#comm... conspiracy theorist Horowitz[/url], I see.
Oh, excuse me, that's "Dr." Horowitz - since he is an ex-dentist, after all! He quit dentistry when he figured out he could make more money selling his conspiracy theories to the gullible.
LEECHES? We have lots in MoHLTC 
Still touting the [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/humanities-science/shame-suzanne-somers#comm... conspiracy theorist Horowitz[/url], I see.
Oh, excuse me, that's "Dr." Horowitz - since he is an ex-dentist, after all! He quit dentistry when he figured out he could make more money selling his conspiracy theories to the gullible.
M. Spector is, I think, referring to this:
"And the kicker is that this guy Leonard Horowitz, who made the video In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism from which that excerpt with Hilleman was taken, doesn't even agree with Tigana's theory that AIDS came to America from vaccines!
His particular conspiracy theory is the better-known one that AIDS was created as a biological weapon by defence contractors working for the Pentagon and somehow got loose into the population."
M. Spector, please note that I refuted this statement doesn't even agree with Tigana's theory that AIDS came to America from vaccines!
several threads back.
I posted to a flu flunky that SARS had been a non-event in Toronto. In fact, some were so unconcerned
that they rocked on at a Rolling Stones concert. If Dr. H agrees with me, great.
Might it be that H left dentistry because it is a hazardous career? My dentist doesn't use mercury because it is poisonous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)
I refuse to be afraid.
tiganna - what exactly, in the simplest way possible(without links) do you believe the H1N1 flu is ? In other words your opinon. Is it a virus that exists and can make people have more severe flu symptoms and in some cases even cause death?
I believe the reason for the hype is because that's what "news" stations do these days - they hype stuff. I think the reason medical agencies and different goverments around the world are concerned is because of the possiblity that without people taking the vaccine that if half the population of a city or a country(worst case scenarios must be planned for) were off sick that it would be very difficult to even keep basic services running, let alone businesses and would overwhelm the hospitals with sick worried people(many people go to emergency when it's not really necessary) I don't think vaccines should be mandatory, and most who won't get it are the same type who wouldn't go to the hospital when sick so it works out, however offering it to people makes sense because the fewer people at risk of getting sick helps everyone.
I get the feeling many of you believe there must be some sinister motive behind the vaccinations and this is what causes the acrimony from other babblers who look at this as a public saftey and well being issue and don't think of everything official as an automatic lie or cover up.
So is the virus real?
Are the vaccinations just to keep people from catching this strain of flu?
If not what is it?
that's it for me.
M. Spector is, I think, referring to this:
You [b]think[/b]? Of course that's what I was referring to; the biggest clue was that I linked directly to it!
But, of course, you don't even bother reading links that anyone else posts.
M. Spector, please note that I refuted this statement doesn't even agree with Tigana's theory that AIDS came to America from vaccines!several threads back.
Refuted? You did nothing of the sort. [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/humanities-science/shame-suzanne-somers#comm... you said[/url] was "I have no interest in Horowitz in this matter."
You may have "no interest" in what Horowitz says, but yet you relied on that excerpt from his conspiracy-theory video [i]In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism[/i] to "prove" that AIDS was introduced to the USA through vaccines! Horowitz doesn't even believe that himself, as I have demonstrated in the other thread.
You may have "no interest" in what Horowitz says, except when you like to cherry-pick his crackpot theories to suit your own purposes.
So why was Anthony Morris fired from the FDA? Was it for AIDS denial, or was it for some other reason? What exactly did he say on Phil Donahue's show that upset big pharma's apple cart?
The fact that you would dismiss it so quickly is shocking to me but when I think about it, it is not surprising at all and it is precisely why I have so little confidence in what you call medicine.
I read they were bringing leeches back, seems like they do have some benefits after all not that I am going to line up for that treatment either.
Yeah; they use leeches sometimes in microsurgery, like if they reattach a severed ear. The leeches secrete an anti-clotting substance to help keep tiny blood vessels open.
There are a lot of reasons why people may get sick. Finding the answer means not jumping to conclusions, which is what so many people did when they assumed that cheerleader developed a neurological syndrome from the flu vaccine.
I am open to the possibility that the flu vaccine did cause the cheerleader's illness. But I consider the possibility that it did not, and think about what else it might have been.
The anti-vaccine movement in the States is like a religion: these people will not listen to any evidence contrary to what they concluded on the basis of zero evidence, and have even taken to threatening doctors who say otherwise.
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience
Then there are the threats. Offit once got an email from a Seattle man that read, “I will hang you by your neck until you are dead!” Other bracing messages include “You have blood on your hands” and “Your day of reckoning will come.” A few years ago, a man on the phone ominously told Offit he knew where the doctor’s two children went to school. At a meeting of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, an anti-vaccine protester emerged from a crowd of people holding signs that featured Offit’s face emblazoned with the word terrorist and grabbed the unsuspecting, 6-foot-tall physician by the jacket.
This is not the behaviour of people who are open to pursuing the best care for their children. This is the behaviour of people who feel their belief system is being threatened. Think religious fundamentalists.
At the heart of evidence-based medicine is the willingness to throw away orthodoxy if new evidence emerges to contradict it - such is how improved treatments are made. But people like certainties. And unethical people will give them these certainties.
Fidel - Anthony Morris was fired by the FDA for exposing that vaxx did more harm than good
http://whale.to/vaccines/morris_h.html
"Every Second Child" - 50% vaxx death rate amongst Australian Aboriginal children, preventable with Vitamin C -
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/every_second_child.html
Dr. Archie Kalokerinos
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos.html
drift - Kalokerinos on methadone detox
Brian, sorry I jumped over your post - good health to you - and to us all.
So your conspiracy theory makes no sense at all. Remember how many people were killed when swine flu broke out first. I guess it mutated to be less deadly and get around more.
Brian, would you please pull up the stats on mortality you refer to?
And this - "If sars killed 10% of people it hit in canada,"
I see less than 500 probable cases and less than 50 deaths cited here
http://bodyandhealth.canada.com/channel_section_details.asp?text_id=2235...
"explorations of truth"? Ha!
Archie Kalokerinos MBBS PhD FAPM is an Australian physician. In 2000 he was awarded the title Greek Australian of the Century by the Melbourne-based Greek newspaper Neos Kosmos. He held controversial opinions on a number of medical issues. [b]He was a supporter of Linus Pauling's very controversial theory that many diseases result from overproduction of free radicals and can accordingly be prevented or cured by Vitamin C;[/b] this led him to treat many conditions with high intravenous doses of vitamin C. [b]He also believed that vaccination schemes have been used for deliberate genocide (among indigenous Australians, and in spreading HIV in Africa); and that the US government systematically planned to get rid of undesirables such as criminals by encouraging people with known heart problems to be vaccinated.[/b] He is considered an authority by anti vaccinationist organisations, and is quoted as [b]claiming that "...the unofficial policy of the World Health Organisation and the unofficial policy of the 'Save the Children's Fund' ... is one of murder and genocide."[/b]
[url=http://en.allexperts.com/e/a/ar/archie_kalokerinos.htm]Source[/url]
