Is the LPC (Liberal party of Canada) dead?

The LPC definitely has problems now. It will at best take them a long time to work out enough of them. And at some point, even not getting worse would be enough to start tipping them towards being critical.

But that in my opinion is a very long way from calling them 'critical'. [Now.]

If for no other reason, the presently diminished amount of attention paid to and credibility invested in the timeless bullshit noise put out by the LPC, amplifies the opportunity for the NDP to make a breakthrough.

But it only amplifies it. The Liberals persistent problems are not themselves the opportunity. 

Whether the NDP seizes its opportunity really has almost nothing to do with the Liberals.

True that the PC party died, but in reality, it split and then re-united. I can't see the libs splitting in the same way since they cover the middle ground. Disaffected libs can join either the NDP or the Cons but don't count on any of them to start a new party. 

The liberal party of canada is probably more resilient that some give them credit for. 

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If you don't think they are dead, what do you think that they have to do to resurrect themselves and when do you see this resurrection occuring? 

Probably find a new leader who's bullshit will resonate.

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  Also, do you think that the CPC will ever be as stupid as the Liberals were with sponsorship thus giving their opponents the opening that they needed to finally gain power?

Yes. Greed, cronyism and arrogance are powerful forces in politics. 

Rumours of its death are greatly exaggerated, I think. but it's not healthy. The Liberals have been in a worse spot before. The 1984 election left them with only 40 seats. Could they do worse than that? Maybe, but it seems unlikely.

What is with this proliferation of Liberal threads? Who cares that much about the Liberals?

Far from dead, the Liberals are about to launch one of the most vicious assaults one can imagine against the NDP, and the Cons will be laughing all the way to a majority government.

Ohhhh.....maybe they can have re-enactments like the Civil War and the Plains of Abraham...  ;)

If the LPC isn't dead yet, they should be after today's inexcusably shoddy performance as Parliamentarians.

We are presented with allegations of probably the most serious dereliction of our international human rights obligations as a country since Somalia, and what do the Liberals do ...

... They send their leader out of town where he's virtually incommunicado, and then drop a gainesburger accusing the Conservatives of engaging in ... gasp ... patronage.

It's left to the NDP to once again behave like adults and serious parliamentarians, and call for a public inquiry into Richard Colvin's testimony.

Seriously, if holding the government to account on serious matters like this is not what the Liberals think they ought to be using their parliamentary mandate for, then I say to hell with the irresponsible bastards. They have no business whatsoever being there. I can't wait for the first Liberal to make a strategic voting argument to me after this fiasco. BOY will they get a piece of my mind!

The only release they issued today was on the 233 patronage appointments. I'm sure based on the reaction to that clunker and the NDP's call for th inquiry, they hastily revised their QP list.

Who would have ever decided on patronage as the message of the day this morning, I'd like to know. What a bunch of incompetents. And where the heck is your leader? It's not like the date or content of this testimony was unknown last week!

Little late to the party and it was noted as such in news reports today

see this thread

 

Debater wrote:

I don't have a leader, ottawaobserver.

Interesting admission. That says a lot about the state of your party.

As for the Where's Iggy question, he clearly taken McKenna's advice and is travelling across the country "exposing himself to Canadians".

Scott Piatkowski wrote:

Debater wrote:

I don't have a leader, ottawaobserver.

Interesting admission. That says a lot about the state of your party.

I don't have a party - I am unaffiliated at the moment, and may be so for the immediate future.

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ottawaobserver, I'm not sure which Question Period you are watching, but today Bob Rae, Ralph Goodale and Marlene Jennings all hammered the Conservatives on the torture allegations that were revealed yesterday.

I wouldn't expect the apologist for torture to be asking the tough questions. It is better for Ignatieff to be out of town rather then decipher if this torture fell in or out of his allowed theory of acceptable pain and discomfort.

The LPC have replaced a chicken with a turkey.

 

 

Its my party and I'll cry if I want to.  It can all change in a split of a second if the right scandal comes along or Canadians really start to feel the pinch as job loses and bankrupticies continue to climb.  Reality Check!  No party is dead, members just have to wait until things work in their favor and its no surprise governments especially the Conservatives have a great deal to hide.   Like take the present scandal with Conservative Minister over soilders partaking in torture as part of their duties.  Wasn't there a big scandal with the Conservatives in the past where the Minister got caught up in the same kinda lies just before Conservatives dropped out of existance for years?  So you just never know, you know.

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It can all change in a split of a second if the right scandal comes along or Canadians really start to feel the pinch as job loses and bankrupticies continue to climb.  Reality Check! 

If Canadians get a Reality Check on Job Losses and Bankruptcies, then there is no way in hell they would vote for the Liberals. A reality check requires one to investigate into why those job losses and orchestrated bankruptcies are occurring. Any minimal investigation will see the Big Red Machine behind the changes that caused the bloodletting of our trade and technology. Stupid is as stupid does. 

Reality Check! NEVER VOTE FOR A LIBERAL.

There isn't a trade deal they don't like. There isn't a corporation for whom they won't do their dirty work. There isn't a bank they won't coddle. There isn't an employee they won't screw over first.

 

Anyone ever involved in bankruptcies or job losses won't vote Liberal. EVER!!!

EVER AGAIN!!!  LOL

This is an issue where those who investigate will see the divide between the NDP Vs the LPC/CPC.

Only the most ill informed Nortel employee could ever think of Voting Liberal, let alone CPC.

Liberals better hope that the public let alone people affected by job losses or bankruptcies, don't get a reality check. Because then there is blind faith they will receive votes on an issue they deserve NONE.

 

The world wide recession is the culprit, collapsed oil and gas prices, venture capital dried up.  Every country in the world has been affected, Canada has suffered the least according to the IMF and OEDC.  Now the 75% increase is a huge increase, but what were the numbers based on.  If there were only 4 bankrupcies which then jumped to 7 that is a 75% increase looks bad, but what is the relationship of the bankruptcies to people and companies not in bankruptcy, what sectors, industries, occupational skill levels did the bankruptcies occur in.  A blanket statement of increases of 75% is miseading if the parameters are not fully known.

Albertan are free enterprisers, they frown on government involvement in the economy.  Just because some tough economic times have come will not change their culture of leave me alone I can manage.  They really hate the nanny state mentality.

This is a foriegn caused event, imagine what would have happened under the Canadian internally developed event of the Green Shaft on Alberta. The NEP devastated Alta. and had longer concequences than this economic trouble will cause.  Insanity is doing the same thing over and over hoping for different results to occur and that is what regressive government policies that target regional areas are, insane.  Now the Green Shaft might have worked if the money stayed in the region directly paying the shot, but that was not the case.  Sorry for the digression.