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What is Prime Minister Harper's next lie going to be?
Wed, 2009-12-02 16:21
#1
What is Prime Minister Harper's next lie going to be?
Wed, 2009-12-02 16:26
#2
Will it be about climate change?
Will it be about the federal government's stimulus package?
Will it be about Canada's role in Afghanistan?
Will it be about the opposition?
Will it be about the Coalition?
Will it be about Canada's Defense role in the Arctic?
Will it be about unemployment?
Will it be about Canada's deficit and debt?
Take a guess: What do you think Harper's next lie is going to be?
Wed, 2009-12-02 16:32
#3
All the world can now see we have a prime minister that is prepared to smear what once was Canada's good international reputation.
It's embarrassing to be Canadian now
George Monbiot is right – Canada has become a corrupt petro-state most of us are ashamed of. But all is not lost
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/02/embarrassing-canadian-corrupt-petro-state
Wed, 2009-12-02 16:33
#4
Canada's image lies in tatters. It is now to climate what Japan is to whaling
The tar barons have held the nation to ransom. This thuggish petro-state is today the greatest obstacle to a deal in Copenhagen
Wed, 2009-12-02 18:01
#5
Take a guess: What do you think Harper's next lie is going to be?
About not being turned on by sweater-vests.
Wed, 2009-12-02 18:19
#6
That Ignatieff is an evil repitilian kitten eater from Havard. It worked for Eves.
Wed, 2009-12-02 18:26
#7
What to believe? Or better yet what not to believe as it gets so confusing all those lies but not for Harper because he can always count on his government blacking it out when the story is said and done. For the safety of the country? Or the safety of the Conservative party? I'm betting if the story wasn't true about the torture it would be an open book and the rest is lies. And there you go, Bad Canada and its Petro State and Human Rights Violations as world takes note. When do you think Canadians might notice?
Thu, 2009-12-03 04:55
#8
What bullshit essentially misrepresents is neither the state of affairs to which it refers nor the beliefs of the speaker concerning that state of affairs. Those are what lies misrepresent, by virtue of being false. [...] The bullshitter may not deceive us, or even intend to do so, either about the facts or about what he takes the facts to be. What he does necessarily attempt to deceive us about is his enterprise. His only indispensably distinctive characteristic is that in a certain way he misrepresents what he is up to.
That is the crux of the distinction between him and the liar. Both he and the liar represent themselves falsely as endeavoring to communicate the truth. The success of each depends upon deceiving us about that. But the fact about himself that the liar hides is that he is attempting to lead us away from a correct apprehension of reality; we are not to know that he wants us to believe something he supposes to be false. The fact about himself that the bullshitter hides, on the other hand, is that the truth-values of his statements are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor to conceal it. [...]
Someone who lies and someone who tells the truth are playing on opposite sides, so to speak, in the same game. Each responds to the facts as he understands them, although the response of the one is guided by the authority of the truth, while the response of the other defies that authority and refuses to meet its demands. The bullshitter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.
- Harry G. Frankfurt, On Bullshit
Thu, 2009-12-03 04:57
#9
When the Harpers have their eyes open and blinking - or when their lips are moving. That's how we know when they're lying.
You can't hide your lyin eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes
There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes
Honey, you can't hide your lyin' eyes
Thu, 2009-12-03 10:17
#10
The next lie-- after using the stimulus as cover for a massive round of pork barrel politics spenidng much of the money without need, we will be told we can't afford basic social programs and the infrastructure the stimulus should have been spent on in the first place.
Very sad for our people.
Thu, 2009-12-03 15:28
#11
What bullshit essentially misrepresents is neither the state of affairs to which it refers nor the beliefs of the speaker concerning that state of affairs. Those are what lies misrepresent, by virtue of being false. [...] The bullshitter may not deceive us, or even intend to do so, either about the facts or about what he takes the facts to be. What he does necessarily attempt to deceive us about is his enterprise. His only indispensably distinctive characteristic is that in a certain way he misrepresents what he is up to.
That is the crux of the distinction between him and the liar. Both he and the liar represent themselves falsely as endeavoring to communicate the truth. The success of each depends upon deceiving us about that. But the fact about himself that the liar hides is that he is attempting to lead us away from a correct apprehension of reality; we are not to know that he wants us to believe something he supposes to be false. The fact about himself that the bullshitter hides, on the other hand, is that the truth-values of his statements are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor to conceal it. [...]
Someone who lies and someone who tells the truth are playing on opposite sides, so to speak, in the same game. Each responds to the facts as he understands them, although the response of the one is guided by the authority of the truth, while the response of the other defies that authority and refuses to meet its demands. The bullshitter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.
- Harry G. Frankfurt, On Bullshit
One of the better posts around here in a long time. I thought i was the only one who saw it that way.
Thank you montrealais
Thu, 2009-12-03 19:24
#12
This one will take some time to arrive:
Greenpeace ads featuring aged politicians in 2020 apologizing for climate change
Thu, 2009-12-03 20:08
#13
I don't what WHAT Harper's next lie is going to be...but when?
The next time we see his lips move!
Sat, 2009-12-05 16:26
#14
stellersjay
Next lie? That the monumentally stupid agreement we’re on the brink of entering into with the US so that a few Canadian companies can enjoy the remote possibility of an outside chance at a government contract south of the border is a good deal for Canada. The agreement would bind provincial and municipal governments to a WTO procurement agreement that forbids discrimination against foreign companies when awarding contracts.
Sun, 2009-12-06 10:29
#15
I don't know what the next lie will be but I am very tired of seeing him use dead Canadian soldiers for photo ops. Are there Canadian soldiers buried in Korea. If so expect to see the man marching around in their gravesite with his photographers. It would be different if I thought he cared one iota about them really, but power is what he cares about and he will go to any lengths to get it.
Sun, 2009-12-06 10:32
#16
Oh, yes and check again the Straussian idea of lying to the masses for their own good. Handy little philosophy, isn't it. And Harper buys into it.
Sun, 2009-12-06 20:23
#17
This is when Harper will get into the big lies:
Dirty' image puts Canada in climate doghouse at Copenhagen
Not everyone thinks Canada's shabby image is justified. Matthew Bateson, director of energy and climate for the World Business Council for Sustainable Development (whose members include B.C. Hydro and Canadian oil sands giant Suncor) says “It's unfair to paint Canada with a black brush.”
He notes that Canada is one of the world leaders in developing carbon capture and storage (CCS), a new technology that strips carbon dioxide from the flue gases of coal-burning plants or refineries and buries it underground. “CCS is one of the technologies needed to transition to a new, low-carbon economy and Canada is putting its money where its mouth is,” Mr. Bateson said.
Still, there is no doubt Canada will have a lot of explaining to do at the two-week-long Copenhagen summit and that much of its task lies in trying to dab green onto the grubby oil sands – or at least convincing others that the some green exists.
For a task that carries national and international implications, however, Canada's efforts have been decidedly low-key and ineffectual. To the public, the image of the oil sands has been shaped by Greenpeace campaigners.
Even some of Canada's respected business leaders acknowledge that they have fallen behind in the image campaign.
“The industry has to accept some responsibility,” said Murray Edwards, vice-chairman of oil sands miner Canadian Natural Resources Ltd. of Calgary “It has not been as pro-active as it should have been or could have been over the last decade in making sure the public understands the balance in the oil sands between the economy and the environment.”
One company, Cenovus Energy Inc., has bought TV spots aimed to show the benefits of its products. The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers delivers representatives to various debates to help shape the “conversation” and works to correct inaccuracies in anything written about the oil sands.
But even strong voices aren't getting much attention.
“This clearly has the hallmarks of being a situation in which the reputation is under siege and it needs to be managed,” said Niraj Dawar, a professor of marketing communications at the Richard Ivey School of Business. “A picture of a dead duck [1,606 died in an oil sands tailings pond] is far more powerful than the data or information that they can provide. What they need to come up with is pictures of their own.”
Others say the oil patch needs a complete rethink of its strategy.
“We need to position our industry as one that prioritizes the value of people more than anything else,” wrote Jeremy Dietz, a communications specialist in Calgary, in a letter to the CAPP this summer. “In essence, we need to position ourselves as the human rights friendly oil industry.”
But not everyone thinks a marketing campaign is the way to go. “I don't think you can solve the challenge solely by putting money into marketing,” Mr. Edwards of CNR said. “You have to put the money into actually making advancements in terms of the impact on the environment. The facts do matter.”
Sun, 2009-12-06 20:34
#18
More lies will come from Harper and his polluting business friends over this cap & trade bullshit.
12/6/2009 8:10:46 PM
Lize, the Cap and Trade plan is anything but a green solution so quit blaming those who want to clean things up for that fruad.If you had half a brain you'd understand the Cap and Trade plan is a scheme by Wall Street types to broker deals between real poluters like the tar sands projects and clean industry.
For every carbon credit the dirty company buys from the clean company, the broker gets a piece of the action.
Cap&Trade is a greedy capitalist effort to profit at the expense of the rest of us, plain and simple.
You sound like a typically naive fool that has bought into this climategate farce and is now reiterating every piece of garbage those conspiracy theorists spew.
Grow up and learn to do your own research.
Sun, 2009-12-06 21:41
#19
Oh, yes and check again the Straussian idea of lying to the masses for their own good. Handy little philosophy, isn't it. And Harper buys into it.
What Plato called the "noble lie" in the "Republic". Only difference, Harpo ain't no philosopher king.
Sun, 2009-12-06 22:24
#20
Here's one of Harper's biggest lies.
The ol' vanishing deficit trick
http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/greg_weston/2009/12/06/12054621-sun.html
Mon, 2009-12-07 15:32
#21
stellersjay
NorthReport, it looks like the G&M will be right there “facilitating” Harper’s deception, just as we’ve come to rely on them to do. Typical of the industry to see the problem as one of perception and PR, as in “We haven’t spent enough money on this, so we haven’t got the high-quality, really effective lying that only scads of money can buy in place yet.”
You gotta love that quote from Jeremy Dietz about how they have to position the industry as one that prioritizes the value of people more than anything else. That would be the industry that used its influence to have the federal Ministry of Health charge Dr. John O’Connor, who was trying to get their attention about disturbing cancer clusters in his community of Fort Chipewyan, downstream from the tar sands, with “causing undue alarm”, among other things. Incidentally, Dr. O’Connor was finally cleared of that last outstanding charge last month, and as of last month is on the board of the Council of Canadians.
Wed, 2009-12-09 10:45
#22
Lots of lies. Read Globe article today about his communication spending. Left me speechless. Still don't know how to embed addresses.
Wed, 2009-12-09 10:52
#23
One of the current lies by Harper is that Canada will be out of Afghanistan by 2011. It's just BS to appease those who want out troop out. When 2011 has come and gone, Canada's troops will still be there.
Canada preparing a military role in Afghanistan beyond 2011, say experts
Wed, 2009-12-09 17:44
#24
The main lie that the 3 opposition parties exposed today has been the Conservatives' statements on the Afghan prisoner detainee controversy.
Peter MacKay and Stephen Harper have been caught.
Thu, 2009-12-10 09:53
#25
The Afghan war is one big lie made up of a series of lies.
Sat, 2009-12-12 10:30
#26