The Afghan people will win - part 15

http://original.antiwar.com/glantz/2009/12/09/afghanistan's-bravest-woman-pins-hopes-on-usa-not-obama/

This is curious.

When it comes to air strikes against the Taliban, there's something about the number 30, says the Security Crank blog.

The unnamed military affairs blogger has published a list of recent air strikes against militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and an amazing pattern has emerged: It seems that just about every time an air strike is reported in the news, the Taliban casualty figure cited is 30.

Webgear wrote:

Ceasefire.ca is saying that on 12 December 1979 the Soviet Politburo took the decision to send Soviet troops into Afghanistan. 

 

Of course this is incorrect because there were at least 3 Soviet Infantry Battalions in Kabul prior to the summer of 1979, and there were hundreds of military advisors in Afghanistan years before that this order was signed.

In his memoirs, "From the Shadows", former CIA director Robert Gates admits that the US was funding Islamic gladios in Afghanistan six months before the Soviets intervened. Brzezinski acknowledged that truth in an interview. What really happened was that Jimmy Carter approved a CIA plan to topple the Afghan government in July of 1979.

And every time the mooj blew up a girls school, and every time the CIA made deliveries of money and weapons to the druglords and Arab-Afghan, Tajik and other warlords and their mercenaries from over 40 countries -  cold war hawks in the US high-fived one another. And when Kabul finally fell to the mooj over two years after the Soviets pulled out, the CIA bypassed the Pakistani ISI and began funding lunatic warlords like Gulbuddin Hekmaytar and Osama bin Laden directly. The CIA never did cut ties with their Islamic gladios after 1992. http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1997/iran.htm  

Well our stooges in Ottawa have decided to deputize US military personel in times of military-security manouvers on Canadian soil. Does that mean the US is destabilizing Canada? Were the Diefen-Tories trying to destabilize Canada when they bought dud missiles from the Yanquis in the 1950's and almost transformed Canada into a nuclear missile bulls'eye for the Sovs? And then our stooges handed an entire aircraft industry and thousands of jobs to the Yanks. We could have made our own aircraft for civilian and defence purposes. I think old Dief was a US stooge like all the rest.

The Russians and Chinese and SCO countries have military advisors in one another's countries on a regular basis during manouvers and war games. Does that mean they are trying to destabilize one another's countries? Is what they do on that side of the world any of our business? What you're saying, Webgear, sounds like Yanqui bullshit.

Webgear wrote:

Fidel, lets try to concentrate on the facts. The Soviets had ground forces in Afghanistan prior to July 1979. It is highly likely they were conducting counter-insurgency operations, because since 1949 the Pashtun tribes had at least 12 jihads declared against Kabul.

Well our masters in Warshington have already admitted to intervening in Afghanistan six months before the Sovs intervened militarily. Our US masters, in fact,  have contradicted what your bullshit history link is claiming. They make no mention of the fact that our own imperialist masters in Warshington were aiding and abetting whacko extremists, and some of who would later be implicated in the first WTC bombing in the 1990's, terrorist attacks on US embassies in the Middle East and Africa. And the CIA and US military helped create a militant-Islamic base in Bosnia during the Clinton administration years. The Republican Party Senate Committee have provided us with evidence of US intervention all over Central Asia and the edge of Eastern Europe, from the late 1970's and continuing today apparently.  

If you can't believe what comes from the horse's mouth wrt our imperial masters, who in turn are instructing our stooges in Ottawa and therefore your bosses in the Canadian military, then who can you believe, Webgear?

Webgear wrote:

Fidel are you saying there were not three Soviets Battalion of infantry in Kabul prior to July 1979?

Its a freaking fact my friend.  

So what? Our Yanqui imperialist masters have anywhere between 700 and 1000 military bases and communications installations etc around the world today. And they are the only country to have their nukes stationed on foreign soil.

Yanquis had military advisors and thousand of US army personel all over the Honduras and El Salvador in the 1980's. We didn't see the Sovs intervening in Uncle Sam's backyard then, because there would have been hell to pay.

And had the Sovs intervened in the brutal US-backed military dictatorship of Pakistan in the 1980's, it probably would have meant the start of WW III.

By 1977 the Soviet Union had provided Afghanistan with the equivalent of US$600 million in military equipment. It had been necessary to send 3,700 officers and NCOs to the Soviet Union to teach them to use the sophisticated hardware. These Afghans not only were exposed to the Soviet belief system, but some were, according to observers, also recruited to serve as Soviet intelligence agents.

Fidel, the whole country was against the Soviets and thier ways. Look at the number of uprisings in the provinces in late 1978/79. The only people who welecomed the Soviets were Soviet lackies in Kabul.

Webgear wrote:

Fidel, the whole country was against the Soviets and thier ways. Look at the number of uprisings in the provinces in late 1978/79. The only people who welecomed the Soviets were Soviet lackies in Kabul,

That's not the way [url=http://www.michaelparenti.org/afghanistan%20story%20untold.html]American Michael Parenti[/url] describes recent history in Afghanistan.

 And it's not how [url=http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/104.html]Canadian John Ryan[/url] described the same events.

What you're spewing here is pure Yanqui bullshit, webgear. And it's not surprising coming from a member of the Canadian military. They're all US lackies in that outfit as are our US-friendly stooges in Ottawa.

Similarly, our imperial masters in Warshington tried to pass off a lie that they had political base in South VietNam during that immoral US military intervention in SE Asia. And that was a lie.

And US tabloid newz agencies have told the exact reverse of that lie wrt Afghanistan - that the Sovs had no political base in Afghanistan. They did. And the evidence of that cold war lie, which you repeat here unashamedly, is that vicious toadies in the Pakistani and western world newz agencies predicted the PDPA government forces would fall within six months of the Soviet pullout. The men and women volunteers of the Afghan PDPA army held out against the US-backed mujahideen for over two years and defeated the well-armed mooj in major dustups at Jalabad and other battles. And the Yanks were supplying the mooj and paid mercenary whackos from from all over the world all the while. Finally. the likes of Gulbby Hekmatyar(and who is now talking with the CIA and Brits, Saudis, ISI etc again in hotel rooms of Islamabad and and Lahore) rained rockets down on Kabul and destroyed much of the city. Millions fled the country.

Please, Webgear, we're Canadians here. We are able to think for ourselves. No more Yanqui bullshit, please. You're only embarrassing yourself as well as vicious toadies in the Canadian military taking orders from their bosses in liar-liar land.

Webgear wrote:

Now if roughly 95% of the population is rural and they believe in the old ways

Well if read professor Parenti's essay, you'd realize that the feudal druglords and warlords themselves were about 3% of the population and whose feudal ways were being challenged by democratic revolutionary forces in Afghanistan. The cultural and tribal relations within Afghanistan were left undisturbed throughout the Stalinist era to the 1960's and 70's when Afghans themselves sought changes in their own country.  Iow's, they were Afghans who wanted change, and Amin had suddenly become an oppressive tyrant, and who, according to John Ryan who lived there for a number of years, says he was told by Afghans that Amin had become a US stooge at some point during his visit to America. The Taliban have also been to America a number of times during their US-backed government rule from 1996 to 2001. 

Webgear wrote:

... no one likes having their drugs fucked with.

And especially [url=http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/08/28/soldier-sailor-cocaine-drug.ht... of the Canadian[/url], military as well the [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html]CIA and their good friend Wali Karzai[/url] CIA's the biggest dope delivery service in the world according to US historian Alfred McCoy.

Webgear wrote:

However even Michael Parenti sums up the reason why there were rebellions in 1978/79:

But serious opposition arose from several quarters. The feudal landlords opposed the land reform program that infringed on their holdings. And tribesmen and fundamentalist mullahs vehemently opposed the government's dedication to gender equality and the education of women and children.

And? Are you trying to suggest that the revolutionary base in Afghanistan comprised of Afghans had no legitimacy? Canadian John Ryan is quoted in the article as saying that not even the CIA blamed the Soviets for that happening. The Afghan's democratic rebellion was entirely an indigenous affair.

The mullahs of Iran said themselves that religious leaders have no idea how to run a country. And yet this is what the US and British orchestrated and encouraged to take place in that country as well as Afghanistan. It seems that none of the CIA, the bipartisan war parties in Warshington, or their lap poodles in Ottawa understand how to run a country either.

Fidel, wasn't there a NDP candidate that was running in the last election that is a known drug user and trafficker?

Webgear wrote:

 Fidel, your first article by Michael Parenti even outlines why the people were not happy with the Soviet back Afghan government:

a. Destruction of the poppy crops.

b. The emancipated women from their age-old tribal bondage

c. Major land reformation programs.

Now if roughly 95% of the population is rural and they believe in the old ways then point B is enough to piss them off. If the land is owned by the tribal leaders (the same people as the feudal landlords) which most of the rural people respect and follow (see the first sentence) then there is another reason to be pissed of with the communist government.

The last reason to be pissed off is because no one likes having their drugs fucked with.

However even Michael Parenti sums up the reason why there were rebellions in 1978/79:

But serious opposition arose from several quarters. The feudal landlords opposed the land reform program that infringed on their holdings. And tribesmen and fundamentalist mullahs vehemently opposed the government's dedication to gender equality and the education of women and children.

Isn't this the same bullshit that the U.S., U.K., Canadian, etc. governments are telling their people to sell the war?

95% of the people? 95% of the war lords/drug lords, more like it.

What people want their families to starve because poppies are grown instead of food so that the drug lords can get rich? What people want to see their families addicted to opium due to its cheapness and availability?

When Britain left and Afghanistan became independent in 1919, the Soviet Union was the first country to recognize its independence. The Soviet Union invested in Afghanistan's economy and infrastructure ever since. The Soviet Union (now Russia) has done a lot more good and did it a lot longer than we have ever done for Afghanistan. That's for sure.

And where were NATO gangsters then? They should have been there helping these women and the millions of Afghans who eventually fled the country while the CIA's Islamic gladios tore the country apart from 1992 to 1995. Instead the "democratic" western world turned our backs on the carnage. Shameless bastards that they are anyway.

Webgear, you are led by followers and US lackies in the Canadian military. Quit while you are still able to think for yourself

[url=http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=2336499]Afghanistan pullout to cost hundreds of millions of dollars[/url]

Quote:

Although nobody will yet hazard a guess about what the pullout from Kandahar will cost, getting everything back to Canada will cost many hundreds of millions of dollars...

Canada does not possess nearly enough military airlift for an operation on this scale, so hundreds of flights by outsized Russian and Ukrainian cargo jets will have to be chartered at a cost of as much as $1.5-million per trip. Those aircraft will take home 1,072 vehicles and dozens of helicopters and other very large or dangerous items such as artillery guns

What a dreadful thought pulling out of Afghanistan would be for lackies in the Canadian military. And here they are telling the truth:

Quote:

"Our commanders have been very clear. The military part is leaving," said Lt.-Col. Scott Mackenzie of Edmonton, who was Canada's chief logistician in Kandahar until last month. "Everyone knows at the back of their heads that there is a chance that this could change somewhat at some point, but moving all the stuff home is all that we are looking at right now.

"The military part is leaving" and things "could change somewhat at some point." Our stooges can't even expect a straight up answer from their masters in Warshington as to what our colonial troops will be doing in the near future. Miserable vicious toadies that they are! The follicles of their nose-hairs must ache from being led around the world like that.

Frmsldr

If you reread the posts you will see Fidel and I are talking about the Soviet/Afghan War. At the beginning of the war in 1979/80 the countryside was not devastated the average Afghan was able to produce large amounts to feed food themselves.

However after 1981 the Soviets began to target locations where food was being grown, they targeted farms in order to stop the locals from producing food which they were getting to the insurgents.

 If you look at the UNAMA minefield maps of southern Afghanistan, you will see the Soviets targeted those green belts with massive minefields. The wage a war on the local population, in order to prevent them from helps the mujahedeen.

Fidel

Is it very disappointing and discouraging to try and discuss issues with you when you talk like this

Fidel wrote:

Webgear, you are led by followers and US lackies in the Canadian military. Quit while you are still able to think for yourself.

Please, Webgear, we're Canadians here. We are able to think for ourselves. No more Yanqui bullshit, please. You're only embarrassing yourself as well as vicious toadies in the Canadian military taking orders from their bosses in liar-liar land.

If you can't believe what comes from the horse's mouth wrt our imperial masters, who in turn are instructing our stooges in Ottawa and therefore your bosses in the Canadian military, then who can you believe, Webgear?

Can you not discuss issues in a civilized manner? You have not once address any of the facts presented to you.

Every other word out of mouth is "Yanqui this", "northern Port Rico that" can you please stop it.

I am not even sure why I try.

Webgear wrote:

Can you not discuss issues in a civilized manner?

You do realize that what Canadian soldiers are doing in Afghanistan since Paul Martin would be considered illegal if they were to murder people on Canadian soil? Over there, "it's counter-insurgency." Here in the "civilized" world, it's murder. Murder has nothing to do with civilized society. Murder is the ultimate expression of insanity. The CIA and Brits and Saudis and ISI, Taliban officials, Hekmatyar etc - they talk in a semi-civilized manner behind closed doors all the time. Meanwhile, Canadian soldiers merely follow orders from Warshington to carry on with the "counter-insurgency" on a need to know basis. And no one else needs to know but the druglords and CIA and Saudis and Pentagon capitalists.

Webgear wrote:

You have not once address any of the facts presented to you.

The Canadian military doesn't deal in facts just orders from Warshington. Trust and obey, it's the only way.

Webgear wrote:

Again you do not address the facts presented to you.

Osama bin Laden, the mooj, ISI, Saudi royals, and Al CIA'duh all are our friends. In the same way that the Nazis were. 

They wouldn't lie to you about putting Canadian lives on the line for a bit of brown sugar, some smack, and great game bullshit. Would they? It's more noble than all that. Isn't it? We could be their proxies again someday with laying siege to St Petersburg and Moscva, Tehran and Beijing. We could cannibalize corpses to stay alive in the middle of Russian winter. Making a grab for corporate living space would be glorious sometime down the road. And, of course, we would be making way for civilized society and their right to be surrounded by nuclear weapons. Real civilized for sure.

Russia, Nato and Afghanistans: High Stakes Great Game

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/russia-nato-and-afghanistan-high-stake...

"US President Barack Obama's now expanding war against the Taliban is garnering support from liberals and neocons alike, from leaders around the world, even from Russia..."

Afghan Resistance Statement Regarding the Invader's Recent Brutality

http://www.alemarah.info/english/

"The people of the world, particularly our countrymen know that the invading forces usually detain miserable Afghans under various pretexts and then torture them. These atrocities have been continuing at the hands of the invaders for the past eight years..."

IED kills Canadian and Afghan soldiers in Afghanistan

"Lt. Andrew Richard Nuttall, along with an Afghan soldier, died when an improvised explosive device detonated in the town of Nakhoney, the military said early Thursday.....

The death was the first in almost two months, when Sapper Steven Marshall was killed, and the first since Menard took over as top commander in Kandahar province."

Afghanistan Is A Testing Ground

http://canada.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/69980

"If Afghanistan is a trial test of NATO in its sixtieth year, it is not so for the NATO of 1949 but of what leading Alliance officials and other proponents in recent years have referred to as 21st century NATO, expeditionary NATO, global NATO: The first attempt in history to forge an international military alliance..."

Four Canadian soldiers and a journalist killed by an IED blast.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/12/30/kandahar-soldiers.html

Jason Ditz covers both stories:

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/12/30/eight-americans-killed-in-afghan-bomb...