Time for a donor boycott of the BC NDP

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Tue, 2010-01-12 14:33

havana

Mean Moe wrote:

Well your generation blew it, it's time to step aside, retire, and let the next generation take their shot at fixing it. And we will fix it as we see fit, we will fix it without massive disruption in peoples lives, without destroying the economy, and by getting ELECTED.

I am working on my local NDP executive, working on every EPC, waiting for you non-Boomers to show up. So far it hasn't happened. Should I sit down and wait for a revolutionary take-over ? I would welcome it. That's what we did 25 years ago. So what's happening now ?

This is just one local perspective, I have no idea what is happening elsewhere in the Province.

Tue, 2010-01-12 15:42

#103

Mean Moe

I am talking overall the boomers have overstayed their welcome and to a large extent caused this financial crisis trying to get their pensions bigger. Within the BC NDP, we need to stop appointing and electing boomers to the executive positions and Provincial Sec. If you want the younger generation to step up and step in, you did to show that it isn't just lip service. In each constituency you should ask the younger members to run for President, etc. Otherwise when your old and need medical care, etc., you won't have people that resent you managing the system. At this point, I know many under 40s that advocate sarcastically for boomer death panels to save money. How long until it's no longer sarcasm?

Honestly, your no better then your parents generation and their iron grip on society in the 60s and 70s. As for the revolution, we lack the numbers. Remember 5 to 1, they've got the guns but we have the numbers. Well now, you got both so the rest of us will wait you out.

Tue, 2010-01-12 15:44

#104

Mean Moe

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Great MM and thus you and the BC NDP need nothing from me. With that attitude why would anyone want to work on behalf of your party?

Yeah your probably better off helping the CPC-ML.

Tue, 2010-01-12 15:50

#105

Fidel

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Tue, 2010-01-12 16:31

#106

kropotkin1951

Mean Moe wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Great MM and thus you and the BC NDP need nothing from me. With that attitude why would anyone want to work on behalf of your party?

Yeah your probably better off helping the CPC-ML.

Nope I will probably act like the vast majority of the age group you support. I will not volunteer, I will not give the other Moe and Carole any money and maybe if there is nothing at all to do on election day I just might go vote. That is if I am inspired by a party who tells me they have no vision of their own but they have written down a mish mash of suggetstions from the population that they have cobbled into a platform.

Your suggestion to a poster with the handle Kropotkin to be involved in the CPC-ML shows me that you have no understanding about socialism and its history and various strains. To you even know the difference between a CCF'er and a Communist? How about a BC NDP'er and Ujhal Dosanje?

Personally I see now that reading and educating myself on politics, economics and history was just a waste of time. I only needed to go to Kelowna and ask people there what they would do and the best answer will pop up without any reference to old passe ideas.

I can tell you already that the majority will say more services and less taxes just as they have been trained to by the MSM and the BC NDP. Of course if they ever get elected they will not be able to lower taxes ands enhance services so we know that they will be under attack until they are thrown out of power for breaking one or both of their above noted promises. And they will never have to discuss anything about economic systems.

Tue, 2010-01-12 16:36

#107

havana

Mean Moe wrote:

I am talking overall the boomers have overstayed their welcome and to a large extent caused this financial crisis trying to get their pensions bigger. Within the BC NDP, we need to stop appointing and electing boomers to the executive positions and Provincial Sec. If you want the younger generation to step up and step in, you did to show that it isn't just lip service. In each constituency you should ask the younger members to run for President, etc. Otherwise when your old and need medical care, etc., you won't have people that resent you managing the system. At this point, I know many under 40s that advocate sarcastically for boomer death panels to save money. How long until it's no longer sarcasm?

Honestly, your no better then your parents generation and their iron grip on society in the 60s and 70s. As for the revolution, we lack the numbers. Remember 5 to 1, they've got the guns but we have the numbers. Well now, you got both so the rest of us will wait you out.

Yikes. This is what I would call an angry, irrational comment: blind rage about a ficticous generation gap.

Also it is off topic. This thread is about the strategic question of a donor strike against the BCNDP.

From my experience the donor strike is already in progress. The "boomers" are withdrawing until we can see something we can believe in. MM is that what you are seeing ?

Tue, 2010-01-12 16:56

#108

Mean Moe

First of all, I have met and had dinner with Tommy Douglas, Ed Schreyer, Ed Broadbent and Dave Barret. My families roots with the party go back to the Regina Manifesto. If there is one thing these men have taught me is that each time period has its own approaches to social policies and the best social program is a good job. I fully understand the ideological differences from communists to social democrats and on. However, ideological dogmas and electoral politics are two different games and scenarios. One is theory and the other reality. You can't implement your dogmas without electoral success but your dogmas inhibit electoral success. So you choose, and your choice seems to be to lose and bitch. Mine is win and change.

As for my fictious generation gap, it's more real then your class war.

As for the boomer withdrawing, I wish. Unfortunately, they just won't retire.

Tue, 2010-01-12 17:03

#109

RosaL

Mean Moe wrote:

You can't implement your dogmas without electoral success but your dogmas inhibit electoral success. So you choose, and your choice seems to be to lose and bitch. Mine is win and change.

Where and when has that ever happened? It always seems to be win and be changed or, alternatively, change and win.

Tue, 2010-01-12 17:37

#110

Mean Moe

When has that happened? You mean just about every CCF and NDP provincial government?

Do you think Doer or Romanow would have won on a platform of mass nationalization?

But when they did win, it prevented further sell offs of the commons and in some cases the expansion of it. Had they not won, I strongly believe that all the crowns in those provinces would be gone. Look at us in the BC NDP, some vocal members continue to bitch about the fact that we are too centrist. This gives the public the impression that these extreme views are the majority of the party so they vote for the Liberals. This has lead to one of the biggest sell offs of crown assets in history. Some may even say that these vocal members are responsible for it by hurting the NDP's chances of forming government. I tend to agree.

Tue, 2010-01-12 18:02

#111

Fidel

So what's the NDP lead over the Liberals according to polls? 10 percentage points? 13? I think even a new leader won't help the BC Liberals next election. According to the polls and trends today, British Columbians are angry with Campbell, and Carole James will be the next premier of British Columbia. I think B.C. needs a woman at the helm to repair the damage done to British Columbia since Campbell and Liberals were elected. Carole James is twice the leader that Campbell can ever hope to be.

Tue, 2010-01-12 18:22

#112

havana

Mean Moe wrote:

First of all, I have met and had dinner with Tommy Douglas, Ed Schreyer, Ed Broadbent and Dave Barret. My families roots with the party go back to the Regina Manifesto. If there is one thing these men have taught me is that each time period has its own approaches to social policies and the best social program is a good job. I fully understand the ideological differences from communists to social democrats and on. However, ideological dogmas and electoral politics are two different games and scenarios. One is theory and the other reality. You can't implement your dogmas without electoral success but your dogmas inhibit electoral success. So you choose, and your choice seems to be to lose and bitch. Mine is win and change.

As for my fictious generation gap, it's more real then your class war.

As for the boomer withdrawing, I wish. Unfortunately, they just won't retire.

Wow those are great credentials ! Are you a "boomer" or were you 12 years old when you had your dinners with Tommy Douglas, Ed Schreyer, Ed Broadbent and Dave Barret ? Tommy Douglas died in 1986.

It's not a question of the "boomer's withdrawing" it is a question of the boomers waiting for somebody else to show up on the campaign trail. This is not about "class war", it is about doing the work, raising money and keeping the Party accountable to a credible platform.

Your boomer rant is an idiotic and divisive commentary. We don't win by creating those kind of false divisions.

Tue, 2010-01-12 18:40

#113

RosaL

Mean Moe wrote:

When has that happened? You mean just about every CCF and NDP provincial government?

I guess it depends on what kind of change you have in mind.

Tue, 2010-01-12 19:09

#114

Fidel

Oi! Somebody start a new thread. I'm choppin' veggies here.

Tue, 2010-01-12 19:20

#115

kropotkin1951

News flash May 24 1984

The BC NDP adopts centrist approach under Bob Skelly.

Yawn!! Same old same old. I now understand where you got your in depth understanding of politics. It wasn't from reading it was from having dinner with celebrity NDP'ers. Who cares if you met Tommy or Roy or Alan. I've met Roy and told him his uranium development was wrong. I've spent dozens of hours debating and discussing politics with Blakeney and I've heard Tommy speak but that is nothing compared to studying history and reading about policy options and trying to come to terms with what is the best direction on specific issues. That to me is the essence of political democracy. You tell me to shut my mouth because I will hurt your chances of being elected. This is a thread about donating to the BC NDP. I get your message loud and clear and will make sure I am never associated with the party in any manner. Good luck on getting elected.

Tue, 2010-01-12 19:43

#116

Mean Moe

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Yawn!!

It's time for bed cogger.

Tue, 2010-01-12 19:48

#117

Michelle

I'm going to pretend this thread never happened and close it... ;)

(I'm closing it because it's over 100 posts, btw, not because I want to pretend it doesn't exist. Feel free to start a new one.)

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