Canadian Parliament Prorogued again, Part 5

Frmrsldr wrote:

Why don't they act like it and assume the responsibilities for their actions?

Perhaps they are afraid that they might someday be restricted from travelling to some parts of the world for fear of being arrested. 

Ha.  It's a "publicity stunt" now?  If the NDP had dreamed it up, it would be tireless defenders of democracy, rolling up their sleeves for "working families"! :D

The people who have joined the FB group are calling for MPs to get back to work.  And when I was reading the wall, a good number of them were saying that the MPs from other parties should show up on January 25th as usual.  In fact, that's where I first heard about the Liberal plan to go back to Parliament Hill and people were cheering.  And I was thinking, geez, where on earth is the NDP on this?

"The NDP will have its own response"?  Really?  Were they planning on doing that anytime in the next month or two, because last I heard, the momentum is happening NOW.

Just because they're Liberals doesn't mean their idea is a bad one.

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Everybody knows that Parliament was prorogued in order to shut down the Afghan inquiry, and the trouble is that the government doesn't want to explain why that was necessary.

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/01/flanagan-lays-into-pms...

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The NDP will have its own response"?  Really?  Were they planning on doing that anytime in the next month or two, because last I heard, the momentum is happening NOW.

The Layton gang must be a little wary of teaming up again with their turf rivals, the Liberanos.

Buddy said....Maybe during this prorogue period the nDP can start a facebook petition to have Harper and his band of war criminals investigated by the Hague.

No Difference Par said ....Lawyers Against War, upon finding their extensive and exhaustive application to the government of Canada to act according to law with regards to the 'credibly suspected' war criminal George Bush in March 2009 - requested that Jack Layton take up the matter of their application's stonewalling and refusal to act by the government

This is the problem ...you can't depend on the legal or the justice system or even a political party...so maybe the nDP can't do it as, they too are bound by oaths to serve the queen etc...the same with the security agency's and the same with government departments....how many levels of secrecy? An action like that will have to come from the "chattering classes" or from the grassroots where oaths and secrecy laws don't matter...only the criminal code. That's why the facebook effort is doing more than one can imagine.

The government is quite capable of providing disinformation and misinformation campaigns to muzzle the people who aren't bound by oaths etc. misleading everyone into thinking that a committee is looking into it or a group of lawyers will do it-all window dressing and misleading.

What LAW was asking was merely that Layton do his job.

What stops the ndp or the other politicians from taking action on issues of such importance to people as accountability of war criminals, is not 'oaths to serve the queen etc' but  their own desperate, overriding objective - gaining  political advantage and taking power.  Virtually anything and everything they claim to be concerned about is merely instrumental.

In this prorogation case, as in all others, the trust and concern of the people will be exploited, used and abused for their own political gain. If grassroots people deal with political parties they need to realize principle or justice is irrelevent - all that matters is carrot or stick.

NorthReport wrote:

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Everybody knows that Parliament was prorogued in order to shut down the Afghan inquiry, and the trouble is that the government doesn't want to explain why that was necessary.

 

 

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2010/01/flanagan-lays-into-pms...

   Ya, that slap in the face from Flanagan was a tipping point for this debacle, as Flanagan showed that PM Harper was speaking nonsense about "the market performance", and then Flanagan also said out loud that "Harper is using prorogation to dodge the torture bullets".

Here is the Flanagan quote on Harper's "that the instability of the current minority Parliament hurts the markets" , as a reason to stop opposition critics from talking [golly Harper is getting goofy eh?} -

   Flanagan: "Well, you know, it actually doesn't make much sense to me. The market just in this past year had, I think, its greatest increase in a single year, and that was in, during a minority government. I don't think the antics of politicians have actually that much to do with the market, i think that's based on economic fundamentals as investors see them. So I think the prime minister is stretching a bit when he made that comment."

Those interested in pursuing the prorogation/prisoner detainee issue should see the letter of Lawyers Against the War to the Parliamentary Special Committee on the Canadian Mission to Afghanistan:

http://www.lawyersagainstthewar.org

"On Feb1, 2004 LAW sent a legal brief to the Ministers and other Members of Parliament advising that the transfer of prisoners in Afghanistan violated the law..."

Wow.  So the NDP response is going to be to attack the Liberal Party?

There is a huge outpouring of anger against the Conservatives, even by some Conservative voters, and the NDP's response is to attack the Liberals?

That's really something.

1988 election?

Free trade?

Anyone remember the NDP campaign?

I do!

Oh my oh my.

So the NDP agrees with the Conservative government that this is just business as usual.  Nasty business but nothing to be too excited about since it has happened before. 

oh my oh my the lost opportunities.  Even Ignatiff can figure out it is better to get up near the front of the parade instead of telling the paraders that it is all been done before. Makes me want to cry.

Thank goodness the NDP is not allying with the Liberals. The NDP already tried that and we  have seen how that turned out. 

I regret taking out an NDP membership already - first on the gun registry vote, now this stupidity. Oh, what the hell, they're still better than the Liberals.

And the thing is, they're not WRONG about what they say about the Liberals.  It's just that it's not the time right now.  It's just plain bad strategy.  It makes them look bitter and petty over the Liberals coming up with an action that people can relate to, for a change.

The NDP have been out flanked and cut off from its support base. Their actions will likely cause a conservative victory in the long run.

Webgear wrote:

 

The NDP have been out flanked and cut off from its support base. Their actions will likely cause a conservative victory in the long run.

Webgear this doesn't make any sense to me.  If the Cons win it will be because enough Canadians voted for them.  By your logic we have a Conservative government right now because of the Liberals and the Greens, specifically Dion, Martin and May for their hamfisted campaigns and attacks on the NDP when they should have been on the Conservatives thus losing some crucial seats.  Frankly I think such theories aren't worth much whomever you want to blame.

The NDP does not have to do much to avoid screwing this up-- avoiding attacking other opposition parties would be one thing-- just for a few weeks so there is a solid hit scored on Harper and then trying to show some policy leadership while avoiding the political games-- so far they are off madly in the wrong direction. Yahoo-- irrelevance here we come.

BA, at this point of time when the conservatives could be removed from power or their power greatly decreased, the opposition is not united in their cause.

The people have no party/collation to rally behind in a united effort to remove Harper or at least make him look bad.

I believe this recent activity will hurt Harper however as each day passes Harper will likely retain his power.

I am not placing total blame on the NDP by any means but all political organizations. Harper has out maneuvered the opposition again.

He is also getting a lot of help from Jack this time.

All politicians are connected by various means financial, educational, organizational (big business, unions), class and social.

They all seek the same item. They all want power.

"They all want power" 

But the superrich and multinational corporations want it more and have monopolized power more than anyone else in Canada since the country was formed.

What does the NDP being in power having to do with how politicans are connected?

ha ha Everything?

Fidel, I have listed how they are connected.

You have made the point they are not connected however you have not offered any proof to your statement.

The NDP has links to Bay Street stooges and kleptocrats, incorrigible lying liars and the like.

Follow the money, education, the social gathering they attend, make the link analysis yourself. They are all connected.