York U Student Investigated for Anti-Semitic Website

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Mon, 2010-03-08 13:16

Dillon123

York University is taking "appropriate disciplinary actions" against a student being investigated by hate crimes units of the Ontario Provincial Police and Toronto Police Service for anti-Semitic postings on a conspiracy-theory website that advocate genocide against Jews.

The National Post first reported in a Tuesday, March 2 article that only months after Ontario Attorney General Chris Bentley decided not to press ahead with hate crimes charges against Salman Hossain - a decision that Canadian Jewish Congress CEO Bernie Farber partly blamed on the length of time it took to conduct the investigation - the York student is back on police radar for new online hate writings.

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Mon, 2010-03-08 13:40

Prophit

I see today in the National post that the student in question has been suspended. Good call!! http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2654831

Mon, 2010-03-08 13:54

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Congratulations, you've hunted down a real honest-to-goodness anti-semite; of arab extraction, no less. As opposed to all of the other muslims you've stained with your brush - not to mention anyone else who dares to question the actions and policy of the Israeli government.

So what makes this 'National News', in your mind?

Or babble-worthy at all?

Here's a hint for you: If you have to link to an apartheid-supporting site in order to post, you're probably making a mistake here.

Mon, 2010-03-08 14:31

Caissa

Was that really necessary, LTJ?

Yes, it should probably have been in Central Canada news rather than National News.

News of a university taking action against a student for anti-semitic comments isn't "Babble-worthy', LTJ?

As a university employee, I found it interesting and really want more information to think it through.

Mon, 2010-03-08 14:50

Gus Williams

Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

Congratulations, you've hunted down a real honest-to-goodness anti-semite; of arab extraction, no less. As opposed to all of the other muslims you've stained with your brush - not to mention anyone else who dares to question the actions and policy of the Israeli government.

So what makes this 'National News', in your mind?

Or babble-worthy at all?

Here's a hint for you: If you have to link to an apartheid-supporting site in order to post, you're probably making a mistake here.

I have now read both articles and they were disturbing. LTJ do you not think it newsworthy that a student at one of Canada's largest universities established a very sophisticated website that calls for a genocide of all Jews in North America and Europe? I cewrtainly do and I wonder why it took so long to suspend him.

Secondly why bring up his ethnic background? Seems more than unecessary to me.

Mon, 2010-03-08 15:21

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

What was so 'very sophisticated' about said-website, Gus?

Mon, 2010-03-08 15:44

Michelle

I agree entirely, LTJ.

Mon, 2010-03-08 15:57

E.Tamaran

I too agree that this deserves to be discussed. But Dillon, Caissa. Prophit, be prepared to be shouted down by the old guard here. They do it regularly regarding FN issues that don't conform to their views on how FNs should behave. Just saying.

Mon, 2010-03-08 16:14

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

E.Tamaran wrote:

I too agree that this deserves to be discussed. But Dillon, Caissa. Prophit, be prepared to be shouted down by the old guard here. They do it regularly regarding FN issues that don't conform to their views on how FNs should behave. Just saying.

I've italicized your offensive 'addition' to your post, E.Tamaran. I must say that your characterization of this particular member of the old guard goes beyond offensive and into mendacious territory

if you're not prepared to support your slander with examples, I expect an apology.

Mon, 2010-03-08 16:15

#10

E.Tamaran

Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

E.Tamaran wrote:

I too agree that this deserves to be discussed. But Dillon, Caissa. Prophit, be prepared to be shouted down by the old guard here. They do it regularly regarding FN issues that don't conform to their views on how FNs should behave. Just saying.

I've italicized your offensive 'addition' to your post, E.Tamaran. Might I say that your characterization of this particular member of the old guard goes beyond offensive and into mendacious territory?

if you're not prepared to support your slander with examples, I expect an apology.

I presume you want examples of Old Guard shouting down posters who offer differing views on FN activities? 'Cause I gots lots. You really want to go down that road?

Mon, 2010-03-08 16:44

#11

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

I don't particularly care what you want to presume. There are exactly two 'members of the old guard' here. You owe us each an apology.

Mon, 2010-03-08 16:45

#12

E.Tamaran

No, you owe me an apology. Old Guard is anyone who's been here a long time and can get away with stuff "normal" members couldn't. But you know what? You've proven my point. This thread is at risk of being derailed, which is what I suspected would happen. Any future discussion of the meaning of Old Guard, apologies, etc can be dealt with via pm.

Bye.

Mon, 2010-03-08 16:56

#13

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:06

#14

Jaku

I saw the offending website and while I wouldn't use the word "sophisticated" to describe it, the site has a "professional" feel to it. In other words its not a simple Google/blog that anyone, even a technodinosuar like me, can put together. It is much more than that giving it a feel of authenticity....that is till you read it.

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:07

#15

Unionist

This could be huge. Has anyone advised B'nai Brith?

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:21

#16

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Jaku wrote:

I saw the offending website and while I wouldn't use the word "sophisticated" to describe it, the site has a "professional" feel to it. In other words its not a simple Google/blog that anyone, even a technodinosuar like me, can put together. It is much more than that giving it a feel of authenticity....that is till you read it.

Anyone can put a 'professional' looking website together using standard software templates, often provided with webhosting services today. So you're pointing out that the lone anti-semite in question is as web-literate as any average 18 year old.

How very frightening. Call CSIS, pronto.

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:21

#17

johnpauljones

I would hope that other universities would follow suit if it was foudn that a person did similar posts.

I can only hope that should this type of thing ever arise again and it is another group targeted -- maybe women or other minorities that universities will use this as a precident.

no but i am wrong this poor young man should not be punished ... maybe he did not mean it.

if calling for a genocide against an entire race is not suspension worthy -- what is?

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:22

#18

SparkyOne

Old guard?

I think we should start a new guard too.

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:24

#19

Unionist

johnpauljones wrote:

no but i am wrong this poor young man should not be punished ... maybe he did not mean it.

if calling for a genocide against an entire race is not suspension worthy -- what is?

Pardon my question, but maybe I missed it:

Has anyone suggested that this piece of shit anti-Jewish scum should [b]not[/b] be removed from the University community?

My only concern is that the precedent this sets might lead to the "Jewish" Defence League being thrown out as well.

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:32

#20

johnpauljones

Unionist i was responding to LTJ who stated in a post above

Quote:

So what makes this 'National News', in your mind?

Or babble-worthy at all?

of course i may have misudnerstood the discussion of why discussing this on babble for being against the result.

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:35

#21

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Are you implying that I said this hatemongering moron should not have been suspended?

If so, you too owe me an apology.

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:37

#22

johnpauljones

LTJ i was not sure what you were saying that is why i questioned it.

I could not udnerstand why you would be against this being discussed on babble. it is a racism issue. therefore it prob belonged in anti-racism thread if any.

but you questioned why at babble at all.

so if your feelings were hurt or motive impuned i of course will apologize but still question why you would nto want it discussed here on babble?

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:38

#23

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Any thoughtful person will understand the value of this 'revelation' to the supporters of apartheid during this week.

Mon, 2010-03-08 17:40

#24

johnpauljones

what do you mean ltj?

i dont think timing has anything to do with this. a racist ass was suspended. period.

Mon, 2010-03-08 18:04

#25

Jaku

Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

Jaku wrote:

I saw the offending website and while I wouldn't use the word "sophisticated" to describe it, the site has a "professional" feel to it. In other words its not a simple Google/blog that anyone, even a technodinosuar like me, can put together. It is much more than that giving it a feel of authenticity....that is till you read it.

Anyone can put a 'professional' looking website together using standard software templates, often provided with webhosting services today. So you're pointing out that the lone anti-semite in question is as web-literate as any average 18 year old.

How very frightening. Call CSIS, pronto.

Am I missing something here? Why are you playing this down LTJ? Perhaps you are right about the site but this hateful person has called for the mass murder of Jews. Its on a blog site that potentially can be seen by thousands. What if of those thousands, three people chose to act on his call? You get my drfit. I think JPJ may have asked you the right questions. Your seeming desire to underplay this hatemonger is curious for sure.

Mon, 2010-03-08 18:06

#26

Unionist

johnpauljones wrote:

Unionist i was responding to LTJ who stated in a post above

Quote:

So what makes this 'National News', in your mind?

Or babble-worthy at all?

of course i may have misudnerstood the discussion of why discussing this on babble for being against the result.

JPJ, this whole "news" story is diversionary, and I have little doubt that the timing is suspect. The more Israel's fawning apologists associate Israel's crimes with the "Jews", the more we will see incidents of some pathetic scumbags firebombing a Jewish school because their twisted excuse for a brain is upset about something in the Middle East. What I find astounding is not this - it's the absolute puny quantity of this to date. I can only hope and pray that the (ever growing) number of Jews who renounce the Israeli criminals and declare "NOT IN MY NAME!!" will outpace the spontaneous generation of hateful scum like those mentioned in the OP.

Mon, 2010-03-08 18:19

#27

Prophit

Unionist I'm not sure how you come to suggesting the story itself is diversionary. It is news and the reporter has reproted it as such. Salman Hossein has been in the news before so its hardly a shock that a follow-up report given his hateful prediliction would be printed.

Mon, 2010-03-08 18:23

#28

miles

this story is shocking. not for the timing as others have questioned and not for the stupidity of the comments but rather that as was just posted this is not a 1 off

this guy has posted things like this before and nothing happened.

i am glad that this scum -- because that is what he is -- he is racist scum was suspended.

as far as the ltj jpj talk...this thread has to be discussed on babble because we do discuss racist incidents against all groups here. but maybe a moderator can look at this thread to determine if it belongs in national news or should be moved to the anti-racism thread.

Mon, 2010-03-08 18:24

#29

Unionist

Jaku wrote:

Am I missing something here? Why are you playing this down LTJ? Perhaps you are right about the site but this hateful person has called for the mass murder of Jews. Its on a blog site that potentially can be seen by thousands. What if of those thousands, three people chose to act on his call? You get my drfit. I think JPJ may have asked you the right questions. Your seeming desire to underplay this hatemonger is curious for sure.

Wow, LTJ - what's your secret motive here? Jaku has unearthed a threat of mass murder of Jews - as she points out, it only would take three (3) web surfers out of several thousand who read this "professional" site to act on its call and perpetrate a new Holocaust - and how many Jews would die before they could be stopped? The law of averages doesn't lie!!! It's the law!!!!!

This is Jaku - remember - who diligently monitors, exposes, and denounces to the police every hint of danger to Palestinians.

So, LTJ, you have much to answer for. A vast anti-Jewish network has been unearthed in Canada. Admittedly, it is now halted dead in its tracks, by potential disciplinary action against some piece of shit student. And you make [b][i]light[/i][/b] of this threat?

Next you'll be telling us that Sderot suffered less than Gaza.

Mon, 2010-03-08 18:28

#30

Unionist

Prophit wrote:

Unionist I'm not sure how you come to suggesting the story itself is diversionary. It is news and the reporter has reproted it as such. Salman Hossein has been in the news before so its hardly a shock that a follow-up report given his hateful prediliction would be printed.

Ok, it's not diversionary.

But it certainly is being used that way by the sycophantic fan club of the Israeli mass murderers.

As for Salman Hossein being in the news before, how about compiling a list of everyone in the world who has posted on the internet saying "Mavet la'aravim" or the equivalent. You'll be awfully busy with "news" stories.

Mon, 2010-03-08 18:57

#31

Jaku

Unionist wrote:

Jaku wrote:

Am I missing something here? Why are you playing this down LTJ? Perhaps you are right about the site but this hateful person has called for the mass murder of Jews. Its on a blog site that potentially can be seen by thousands. What if of those thousands, three people chose to act on his call? You get my drfit. I think JPJ may have asked you the right questions. Your seeming desire to underplay this hatemonger is curious for sure.

Wow, LTJ - what's your secret motive here? Jaku has unearthed a threat of mass murder of Jews - as she points out, it only would take three (3) web surfers out of several thousand who read this "professional" site to act on its call and perpetrate a new Holocaust - and how many Jews would die before they could be stopped? The law of averages doesn't lie!!! It's the law!!!!!

This is Jaku - remember - who diligently monitors, exposes, and denounces to the police every hint of danger to Palestinians.

So, LTJ, you have much to answer for. A vast anti-Jewish network has been unearthed in Canada. Admittedly, it is now halted dead in its tracks, by potential disciplinary action against some piece of shit student. And you make [b][i]light[/i][/b] of this threat?

Next you'll be telling us that Sderot suffered less than Gaza.

What a strange response. First, I unearthed nothing, the Natioanl Post reported on this. Second your belittling the fact that extremists can act out is fooloishness on your part. Third your response suggests well frankly its just odd.

Mon, 2010-03-08 19:08

#32

Unionist

Jaku, I'm just indicating to others here the irony: You and B'nai Brith jump up and down at the anti-semitic incidents in Canada - which pale into insignificance by comparison with (say) attacks on indigenous people, women, pick your marginalized group - while you both ardently defend the real racist arch-criminals, the Israeli regime, against every hint of criticism. Maybe you didn't get the Sderot - Gaza comparison, but shutting one's eyes tight and stumbling through the ethical pathways of life can have that effect.

Mon, 2010-03-08 21:39

#33

Jaku

Unionist, I have never "jump(ed) up and down" at anti-Semitic incidents here in canada. Perhaps you have mistaken me for Frnak Dimant but I assure you sir I am not in that league.

And I have noted in the past and will repeat, the Israeli occupation of the WB must end. I am heartsick at the treatment of palestinians in what seems a neverending crisis. However I continue to support Israel's right to exist as a jewish state while being critical of policies I find distasteful and at times even abhorent.

Mon, 2010-03-08 22:41

#34

synthome

And I was beginning to think a tad hyperbolical calling a segment of babblers rabid and intolerant for their deranged response to having the term apartheid in IAW called into question.

Am I the only one who thinks this thread not only has become completely derailed, but borders on insane?

BTW, has anyone cross-referenced IP addresses between the offending site with Cheri DiNovo's? I'll bet they are one and the same. DiNovo was so intent on proving that incendiary language such as apartheid is not the most ethical and compassionate approach to achieving justice, that she orchestrated a diversion from the wonderfully successful and accommodating "dialogue" happening across campuses this week. She insinuated fear and trepidation where none existed before. Jews fearful and trepidatious at York? Perish the thought. That's almost as ridiculous as CUPE3903 members afraid to speak at variance with the Stalinist wing of the union at a general membership meeting.

Although there is a way for IAW essentialists to spin this in their favour: old school scapegoating. You see the reluctance to diverge with the opinion of IAW orthodoxy has nothing to do with the event itself. The intimidation and fear stems squarely from this one psychopathic anti-Semite.

Speaking truth without love leaves you with truth but no justice. The hatred and bile around here can only be debilitating.

Mon, 2010-03-08 22:45

#35

Unionist

synthome wrote:

... rabid ... intolerant ... deranged ... insane ... Stalinist ... hatred ... bile ...

I think it's time someone were synt home for a long rest.

Mon, 2010-03-08 23:34

#36

Jaku

Yes that's the ticket ban those whose with whom you disagree .... Lord Lord Lord!!!!

Mon, 2010-03-08 23:42

#37

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

I believe Unionist was suggesting a mental health break rather than a banning.

Did synthome make any sense to you, Jaku?

Mon, 2010-03-08 23:42

#38

Unionist

Jaku, you can't take a joke. The hallmark of our people is our sense of humour - our key to survival through eons of persecution - along with our solidarity with others and not taking ourselves too seriously. You just ain't got it.

Tue, 2010-03-09 07:39

#39

Jaku

Unionist wrote:

Jaku, you can't take a joke. The hallmark of our people is our sense of humour - our key to survival through eons of persecution - along with our solidarity with others and not taking ourselves too seriously. You just ain't got it.

Your pomposity is breathtaking. You make a wrongheaded comment and you try to shuffle it off as a joke. Ya right, the only ones who will believe that are those here who believe in banning as a way to stifle discourse. You are a piece of work but a Lenny Bruce you will never be.

Tue, 2010-03-09 07:40

#40

Ken Burch

Unionist was clearly joking, Jaku. Everyone ELSE got it.

Tue, 2010-03-09 07:59

#41

Unionist

Yes, I was clearly jaking, Joku.

I charge you formally with having had your sense of humour surgically removed at puberty. In the immortal words of Émile Zola:

[i][b]Jakuse![/b][/i]

Tue, 2010-03-09 08:11

#42

Jaku

"Jakuse", now that is funny...and as I predicted the ones coming to your defence are those with whom you have a symbiotic union.

Tue, 2010-03-09 08:36

#43

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Clearly, a conspiracy is afoot....

Tue, 2010-03-09 15:39

#44

Ken Burch

They removed Jaku's FOOT, too?

Tue, 2010-03-09 17:11

#45

Jaku

From whose mouth Ken?

Tue, 2010-03-09 18:33

#46

KeyStone

Update:

B'Nai Brith is calling for the Attorney General to charge this student with hate crimes.

Tue, 2010-03-09 20:34

#47

Ken Burch

Jaku wrote:

From whose mouth Ken?

How should I know? It was YOUR foot!

Tue, 2010-03-09 22:11

#48

Slumberjack

Open apologists of the former South African apartheid system, defenders of everyday systemic forms of oppression in this country, and those who excuse and support violent colonialism in other places traditionally have been ushered to the exits here. Can anyone explain the lenient standard applied in terms of the level of tolerance for hate against Palestinians and support for tyranny against them in threads of this nature? What any sensible person can clearly define as brutal oppression apparently is a matter of debate and merely comes down to ones point of view.

Instead of isolating them from meaningful dialogue as the pariahs they are, spitting distain without regret through the act of expelling their reprehensible excuses and ideology from a community which speaks of valuing human decency over the monstrosity that these interlopers pathetically represent, they are continuously permitted to assault reason, honesty, justice, and dignity with every fetid post that documents not only their shame, but our own in not calling for their immediate removal whenever they rear their ugly heads on this board.

Wed, 2010-03-10 07:36

#49

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Hear, hear SJ but we're just all anti-semites.

Wed, 2010-03-10 08:37

#50

Jaku

KeyStone wrote:

Update:

B'Nai Brith is calling for the Attorney General to charge this student with hate crimes.

How do you feel about that keystone? Others?

Wed, 2010-03-10 08:57

#51

skdadl

Jaku wrote:

KeyStone wrote:

Update:

B'Nai Brith is calling for the Attorney General to charge this student with hate crimes.

How do you feel about that keystone? Others?

Oh, not again. The ritual demand for ritual denunciation. Everyone step up and salute. Tomorrow we're doing loyalty oaths!

I'm a civil libertarian -- I'm opposed to our silly hate laws. I believe that incitement is a crime (if a judgement call), and if there is evidence of incitement that can be taken to court, then so it should be.

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