Prison Building Spree Expected
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Prison+building+spree+expected/2659425...
"The head of Canada's prison system says there will be 'major construction initiatives' in the coming years to cope with the impact of federal legislation to imprison more offenders longer.."
Goddamn I hate the Cons. Pure unadultered hate. Backwards thinking asshats.
This is a golden opportunity to make them look like FOOLS.
Let them build all their big fancy prisons, then NOBODY COMMIT ANY CRIMES! Think of how stupid they'll look!
Who's in?
Dude...totally.I'm in.
But.....does this mean I have to give up the embezzlement? Damn!
Got shares in the industrial prison complex boys?
Crime rates, for the most part, have been decreasing for decades.
Then we see people like your Jaffer get off, so we know white collar criminals are going to get their usual pass by their peers.
Uh, "[url=http://www.rabble.ca/comment/1121403/Well-I-can-only-assume]my[/url]" Jaffer??
I think his kid gloves treatment is an abomination. And I thought so two hours ago too, when I made that post.
...read that post snert, and what I read was your stating the white powder was baking soda, and the breath analysis was wrong, making it appear as if it was sarcastic, means little. Plausible denability was just added to by you....in that thread.
Having said that, I was more indicating hyprocritical heywood, than you, as we kbow for sure, he is directly connected to them all, and of course was/is completely abscent in the Jaffer thread.
Management went to my partners union a few years back to ask for marijuanna piss tests, the union said "sure, as long as we get to do coke tests on the management." The whole thing was dropped......
...read that post snert, and what I read was your stating the white powder was baking soda, and the breath analysis was wrong, making it appear as if it was sarcastic, means little. Plausible denability was just added to by you....in that thread.
Good lord. Just learn to read.
Okay Remind, I've tried to clarify for you in the new Jaffer thread.
There's also the original Jaffer thread in which I said:
But in this case, Jaffer was toting around some blow, and it's not at all impossible that she was going to be honking on some of that, had the po-po not taken it away from him. Wasn't he stopped on his way home?
I think that in keeping with the strong moral fibre of the Conservative party, she should take a voluntary urine test, to assure her constituents that she's not too high to represent them. Then I think she should set a good example by applying a "Zero tolerance" policy and kicking Jaffer to the curb. :)
and
I genuinely don't believe that this is the first time that a party animal like Jaffer has driven drunk, nor the first time he's purchased illegal narcotics.
And it's my opinion that you don't get your "second chance" after you (eventually) get caught. You get your second chance the day you wake up after driving home drunk, and have the opportunity to make a different choice next time. In that context, I believe he will have had more than just a second chance; he will have had many chances.
... among other comments.
Good grief, just learn how to stop being "sarcastic" and write directly what it is you meant.....
Good grief, just learn how to stop being "sarcastic" and write directly what it is you meant.....
Sometimes your dreams verge on the impossible. Besides that would spoil his "fun" now wouldn't it?
What can I say? Sarcasm is endemic to this and every other discussion board. If yoiu can't understand it, you'll always be at a disadvantage.
But be honest, Remind, this didn't come about because my sarcasm was unintelligible to a normal adult. It came about because you wanted to believe that I had some kind of sympathy for Jaffer because he's a Conservative, and even when I pointed out that I had none, you really didn't want to believe that.
But be honest, Remind, this didn't come about because my sarcasm was unintelligible to a normal adult.
Maybe the problem is you think you are normal and anyone who doesn't understand your drivel isn't. You might want to think about whether you have that equation ass backwards.
To be fair to the conservatives, this seems to be a case of prudent planning. They're actively pursuing policies that will see a higher inmate population so they have to build more jails. Think of it as their way of lowering the unemployment rate. They know that anyone who points out that longer prison sentences don't lower crime rates can be dismissed as a "bleeding heart liberal". Apparently, we Canadians have a case of collective myopia because anyone who looks around the world (or even south of the border) will recognize instantly that the places with the harshest criminal systems don't necessarily have the lowest crime rates.
I think the Cons are playing to their bible-thumping base. When you know people are naturally evil beings who have to be "saved", it becomes entirely natural that more of them should be in jail. It makes perfect sense. But it goes beyond longer prison sentences.
The policies of lowering taxes, dismantling government services, and allowing "free markets" to generally do whatever the hell they want, will result in greater societal inequality. It's as natural and inevitable as water flowing downhill. And there is very good evidence to show that greater societal inequality is linked to all kinds of social problems including crime.
So by pursuing their policies, the Cons will help to reverse the disturbing downward trend in crime and restore their followers faith in the capacity of people for evil. Win-win, I say.
So by pursuing their policies, the Cons will help to reverse the disturbing downward trend in crime and restore their followers faith in the capacity of people for evil. Win-win, I say.
Some babblers cannot comprehend sarcasm, so in the interest of accessibility, please refrain from using it.
Maybe krops problem is he thinks hes normal and snert is not. Im pretty sure Im not normal and nor is anyone on this board.
And thats a good thing 
So by pursuing their policies, the Cons will help to reverse the disturbing downward trend in crime and restore their followers faith in the capacity of people for evil. Win-win, I say.
Some babblers cannot comprehend sarcasm, so in the interest of accessibility, please refrain from using it.
Don't try to drag me into your debate with Remind - I've had my own. You're on your own, pal.
Being normal is quite overrated. The site below however is both the old and the new norml.
But that norml would lead to less demand for prisons.
Can't have that, krop. It would violate the Conservatives core values on any number of fronts. Drug legalization would remove one of the leading tools in the war on poor people. It would generate untold wealth for governments - and the great unwashed might expect it to be spent on them. It would instantly lower the crime rate, making it much harder to instill fear in the population. And worst of all, if people had control over what substances they could put in their bodies, why they might get other crazy notions, like wanting to control the government.
krop, you've got some dangerous ideas. Best keep them locked up.
No mandatory minimums for pot in NL;-)
Holland rents jail space to Belgium
ReutersFebruary 6, 2010
Supplementing one's income by renting out a spare room is hardly a novel concept, but the Netherlands took it a big step further on Friday when, in a European first, it officially leased a prison to Belgium.
With plenty of prison cells to spare, the Netherlands has agreed to admit 500 Belgian inmates into its prison in the southern Dutch city of Tilburg. Belgium will pay the Dutch $44 million a year for the favour under a three-year deal.
Spearheaded last year by former Belgian prime minister Herman van Rompuy -- who is now president of the European Council -- the initiative should provide relief to Belgium's overcrowded prisons until new ones come into operation in 2012.
I don’t think people understand what is going on regarding prisons. It all has to do with conservative legislation that doubles or triples the amount of time a criminal spends in prison. Double bunking is the first step and as they are going to double or triple the time a criminal spends in them (excluding conservative criminals of course) …new prisons are required. It has nothing to do with crime.
So while conservatives are busy trying to keep their “tough on crime” supporters happy and the government cuts back on social spending etc. they will be spending billions of dollars they don’t have building prisons. I hope the conservatives that end up in the bread lines are happy when they have to resort to crime to pay their bills.
By then they should have privatized the entire corrections Canada to the American company “ super prison” and all the tough on crime workers that supported the conservatives will then become rent-a-cop waged minions of the conservatives.
I hope the conservatives have alloted money for all the riots that will occur due to overcrowding. Riots sometimes cost millions of dollars.
Oh, btw, I was being sarcastic about the money.
Gah! Please don't exclude some babblers by encrypting your thoughts in sarcasm!
Another factor if they go the privatization route is that prisons will become a business , much like the US. The name of the game will be stuffing prisons with prisoners for money and profit.
All the potheads might want to consider getting their heads out of the bong and vote these neocons out before they start stuffing prisons with them. I can see Mr conservative counting the money now ..say what ? $30,000 a head ..we got lots of potheads in Canaduh . Maybe that will be the motivating factor to get young people to vote and the crowd that doesn’t vote, that say while smoke is coming out their ears “ It doesn’t matter who you vote for , they are all the same ..(cough , cough, hack, hack)”
In the Excited States they like pot heads since they are often reasonably well educated and make great customer service employees for the corporations that use prison labour.
So which party to you think Dana should try to run for next time?
This is a golden opportunity to make them look like FOOLS.
Let them build all their big fancy prisons, then NOBODY COMMIT ANY CRIMES! Think of how stupid they'll look!
Who's in?
If they can't get enough prisoners legally, they will come up with some trumped up crimes and make them "stick". Like property/poverty crimes or (conspiracy to commit) 'acts of terrorism', for instance.
I think the Cons are playing to their bible-thumping base. When you know people are naturally evil beings who have to be "saved", it becomes entirely natural that more of them should be in jail.
[Sigh] Well, I've never accused the religious right of being intelligent. Prisons are not 'reformatories'. The current Canadian (and American) penitentiary system is not designed this way. If anyone serves their time and gets released "reformed", "rehabilitated" or "saved", it will be in spite of the system rather than because of it.
I hope the conservatives have alloted money for all the riots that will occur due to overcrowding. Riots sometimes cost millions of dollars.
Attica, anyone?
[url=http://www.ndp.ca/press/us-style-mega-prisons-wrong-for-canada]NDP: US-style mega-prisons wrong for Canada[/url]
“The Conservative plan is to spend 43% more on building prisons,” said Davies. “They are pushing a US-style approach that is expensive and totally ineffective at bringing down the crime rate.”The Conservative spending plan tabled this week shows a 43% increase in the budget for prison construction, from $230 million in 09/10 to $329 million in 10/11.
“At the same time as they are pouring money into prisons, they have failed to invest in priorities to keep communities safe,” said Davies. “There is not one new penny for crime prevention. There is nothing to put more officers on our streets, or to stop the closure of police detachments in rural areas.”
“This budget just goes to show that this government isn’t interested in the people and programs who are working to stop crime before it happens.”
American woman gonna mess your mind
American woman gonna mess your mind
American woman gonna mess your mind
Steve the lap poodle has to get an agenda of his own one of these days.
The Treasury Board President also faced questions about the Conservative government’s commitment to cutting the deficit while spending billions of dollars on new prisons while the crime rate is, in fact, declining.
Mr. Day doesn’t buy the view that crime rates are declining. Rather, he maintains crime is going unreported in Canada at “alarming” rates.
“It shows we can’t take a Liberal view to crime which is, some would suggest, that it is barely happening at all,” Mr. Day said. “Still, there are too many situations of criminal activity that are alarming to our citizens and we intend to deal with that.”
Reporters were left scratching their heads.
“I will follow up on that because I am baffled,” Sun Media’s Ottawa bureau chief David Akin said. “There is a statistic about unreported crimes? I mean if they are not reported by definition we have no idea about these crimes.
“You are just not making sense or I may be just a dolt and I don’t understand. Help me out on this one.”
More prisons needed to lock up perps of "unreported" crimes, says Stockie Day
considering he believes the world is only a few thousand years old, it's not surprising Stockwell doesn't think rationally when it comes to anything else.
obviously reality is not a factor when it comes to his decision making.
What a idiot day is and proves yet again who owns the Conservatives, they build prisons so they can then privatize them.
For unreported crimes nonetheless.
BTW the link is unstable using IE, perhaps they are trying to deter people from finding out just what idiots they are.
Seeing that Canada's crime rate has been on the decline year after year for the past 15 years,this has little to do with 'public security'
The Reform Party is not going to create new laws designed to fill new prison cells,the Reform Party will only revive out-dated,failed and proven unconstitutional laws.All one has to do is see the new ad campaigns making their way to our televisions,buses and metro systems..A Ronald Reagen style 'just say no to drugs' campaign that has nothing to do with rehabilitation and clearly the preventitive portion of this farce will be an iron fisted punishment approach.
This is something documented and PROVEN to be a collossal failure that wastes billions of tax payers dollars every year,destroys more lives than it saves,turns our neighbourhoods into police states ,protects organized crime and bolsters their profits and doesn't decrease drug use by even 1%..This is why some states in the U.S. have given up this approach...Massachusetts passed a law a little while back effectively decriminalizing possession of 30 grams or less of cannabis...'Offenders' are now subject to a fine..Ironically,Canada was going to pass the same law in 2003 but was bullied and threatened by the then Republican Party to back off of any idea of doing this.
California will be taking the issue to the electorate and have a referendum this Fall,not to decriminalize cannabis but to LEGALIZE cannabis.
The Harperites 'get tough on crime' bill is crystal clear when you read between the lines...Mark my words,it will be a full out assault on cannabis users,INCLUDING those who use it for medicinal purposes.
Certainly a waste of taxpayers' money and counter-productive to reducing crime but definitely a winfall for multi-national firms like Sodexho, Compass Group and perhaps Aramark who have all gotten on the prison services gravy train.
Seeing that Canada's crime rate has been on the decline year after year for the past 15 years,this has little to do with 'public security'
No, the reported rate of crime is declining. There are only 2 crimes for which the stats give an accurate reflection of what is happening: murder and car theft.
Having said that, I don't see how building more prisons is going to make more people report crimes, especially considering that sometimes when you report a crime the police won't even send anyone out and instead tell you to make a report at the station.
The majority of unreported crimes are crimes against women.
What are the Cons. going to do to reverse this problem?
The majority of unreported crimes are crimes against women.What are the Cons. going to do to reverse this problem?
Put the women in prison! Problem solved.
I should run as a Conservative in the next election...
considering he believes the world is only a few thousand years old, it's not surprising Stockwell doesn't think rationally when it comes to anything else.
obviously reality is not a factor when it comes to his decision making.
Doris seems to be blissfully unaware that the entire country is laughing at him. 
The majority of unreported crimes are crimes against women.What are the Cons. going to do to reverse this problem?
Put the women in prison! Problem solved.
I should run as a Conservative in the next election...
Funny but brutal, funny but brutal.
Anyone who thinks Canada has a crime problem should visit Detroit,Chicago,DC,Philadelphia,Newark or Oakland..Doesn't really matter what time of the day or night.
Then come back to Canada and THEN complain about our supposed crime problem...Even the Cons are now scrambling to MAKE UP statistics to justify the police state they are planning to turn Canada into.
Canada = safest country in the world (a statement that will be very hard to argue against...unless you're Stockwell Day or a Harperite,ofcourse)
NDPPMAKE UP statistics to justify the police state they are planning to turn Canada into.
That is exactly what this prison building scheme is. This is the same bunch that dropped a billion of your tax dollars on the G8/20 piggie fest extravaganza don't forget...but don't worry - in the Canadian police state you'll get to keep your 'loyal' opposition parties....
@NoDifference...
You're right..Where are the opposition parties?
You'd figure someone in the opposition would be jumping all over this...But ofcourse they're not.
I guess we're now in the American political dilemma where the opposition will never do the right thing because they fear they will come across as 'soft on crime'...Which is absolute bullshit but that's the only thing that can explain their apparent approval of this.
So it looks like we're fucked.
This is not ONLY about the purpose of the prisons. There are three purposes to this policy:
1) build more prisons because they want them -- which everyone here understands well
2) build them because it is politically useful- motivate the base etc. Doesn't matter for this purpose if people actually are in them
3) Dump public money on this and other right-wing friendly initiatives so there won't be money left for the kinds of spending people actually want but that the Cons are opposed to. again for this it does not actually matter if people populate those prisons. The key is to break the ability of the government to deliver public services people want that the Cons are ideologically opposed to.
@Sean...I agree BUT if you follow what the Cons have been up to and that is delivering the policy to the letter of the Republican Party,clearly the next step will be to privatize these new prisons.
Once that happens,police and courts will become employees of this new industry and have quotas to meet.There will then be profits to be made by incarcerating as many Canadians as possible.
If there is a sharp drop in crime,the only alternative to protect the viability of this new industry will be to impose harsh sentences on victimless crimes...Hence a war on drugs in the carbon copy of the Reagen/Bush era of the 1980's and early 90's.
Also,watch out for a hefty increase of funding to our major cities 'morality squads'.
This translates into a police state and police states are generally defined by fascist governments. ..I know,people are uncomfortable with the 'F' word but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's most likely a duck.
@ Sean in Ottawa
There is a fourth reason.
How much do you want to bet they might include a factory floor in the plans for these new prisons?
Look at the situation in the U.S. Who wouldn't be jealous of a pool of 2.5 million workers guaranteed to show up on time and not quit, no union problem, no benefits, no pensions and all subsidized by the taxpayers?
@ Sean in Ottawa
There is a fourth reason.
How much do you want to bet they might include a factory floor in the plans for these new prisons?
Look at the situation in the U.S. Who wouldn't be jealous of a pool of 2.5 million workers guaranteed to show up on time and not quit, no union problem, no benefits, no pensions and all subsidized by the taxpayers?
Excellent point.
As much as I am horrified at the thought I am unable to disagree with either of you-- good points both of you!
@ Sean in Ottawa
I wish I could say I'm a visionary genius, but in fact I have read news reports about prision job fairs in the U.S. (basically prisons selling their slave labour to the highest corporate bidder). I expect it has been big business down there since the days of the chain gang... which, come to think of it wasn't too long after the days of slavery.
I've heard of this in the US-- just not here but I could see them doing it
