Ignattieff: Hey kids, don't smoke pot - dig ditches instead!

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Ignattieff: Hey kids, don't smoke pot - dig ditches instead!

You don't have to be Marc Emery to shake your head at these comments.

 

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"If I had to tell you as a parent or as someone who has spent his whole life working with young people, the last darn thing I want you to be doing is smoking marijuana," the federal Liberal leader said.

"I want you to be out there digging a well, digging a ditch, getting a job, raising a family ... doing stuff, instead of parking your life on the end of a marijuana cigarette."

Noting he likes an occasional drink and having a good time, Ignatieff didn't seem concerned if his anti-weed stance made him appear conservative.

"Given the things we need to do together, that's what I think," he said, adding that legalizing marijuana would create problems in dealings with the U.S. because the drug would remain illegal there."

 

al-Qa'bong

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I want you to be out there digging a well, digging a ditch..

Ganja's one aid that helps make jobs like this tolerable and interesting; sorta how glue sniffing and leading Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition seem to complement each other.

remind remind's picture

My does this come out of the "tinker's conference"?

Michelle

He told a bunch of high school kids to start raising families?  Ha!

Hey kids!  Don't smoke weed!  Get pregnant instead!  Never too soon to start a family!

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Ha ha ha. This will help him connect with the "average Canadian." I wonder if he will be doing a BBQ tour this summer?

Michelle

Interesting - I posted my little throwaway joke on twitter with a link to this thread, and got a couple of annoyed responses from Liberals there, including one whose tweets I have enjoyed throughout the prorogue protest stuff.  Some people are so defensive about their parties! :D (I'd have laughed like hell if Layton had said it, too, btw, but then, I'm not a member of the NDP, I just vote for them.)

Anyhow, one of them brought up a point that hadn't occurred to me, and that's that the "digging ditches" thing might have been referring to public service - so my guess is that they figure he was encouraging kids to do some kind of relief agency work where you go somewhere and dig ditches or wells.  And of course, if that WAS the context, you can count on the National Post to take it out of context.

But the raising families thing was still hilarious.  Who tells a bunch of teenagers to raise families instead of smoking weed?  How about "consider putting off raising a family until you're through post-secondary education or training for a trade"?

Anyhow, perhaps one of them will follow the link here and post the quote in context if they have access to it.

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

Michelle, oh I think you are too generous in entertaining the public service angle... I think it is more likely that it was a general reference to the dirty manual work that "other people" do... the ones that never get profiled in the "Working" section of newspapers... people without offices - you know, the Tim Horton's crowd they were talking about on CTV the other night...Wink

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Vansterdam Kid

Who calls it a Marijuana Cigarette? Also, why did he say "darn?" What's next, "dang," "golly," "gosh," or "gee?"

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Laughing

TheEtobian

Vansterdam Kid wrote:

Who calls it a Marijuana Cigarette?

Obviously someone who was a square in the sixities. He used to be roomies with Bobby Rae, I can only imagine what that was like.Iggy with a glass of sherry deeply engrossed in some Nietzsche.Rae stoned blaring some Hendrix.

Probably wrong about this andthey were both totally dull and stuffy. Anyways, what the hell is talking about. Dig ditches and wells, start a family and he was sayingthis to high school kids? Talk about aiming high and you can be anything you want.Especially coming from Mr Harvard.Or maybe he knows something about the future ofthe job market that we don't know. Oy Vey.

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milo204

he's starting to sound like sara palin

bonzo

Kinda different from ol' Chretian who'd have his joint in one hand and money for his fine in the other.  If you remember that quote.

 

After living as long as I have, having children, whatever else, I have concluded that marijuana is a natural part of the human experience.  Yes, of course there are some concerns, but there is nothing criminal about responsible marijuana use.  Actually, I can see an upside to it.  Ever notice how nearly all our social heroes (like music and movie stars, not to mention people like Carl Sagan) have a positive view of it?  It's only fuddy duddies, governed by fear and accusation that do.

 

 Ol' Iggy might think it's best to never touch the stuff, I hope he doesn't think it's a crime to.

 

The day is coming when it will be legal.  There is no good reason for it not to be.  

 

 

remind remind's picture

Think some here have missed the meme being shoved at just finished high school students, and Iggy's words fit right into it.

 

Not been watching "18 to Life" on the CBC? And all the other teen age Canadian content dramentory shows?

 

They are selling early marriage and early pregnancies to white kids, think they are worried about the population demographic change that is set to hapen in 20 if they don't get on it.

 

Excellent pictorial about the propaganda shedding occurring, -=+=-!

 

Some quite apparently do not want people going and getting an actual education you know, to much competition I would say for those who  shut the door behind them, they want it to stay closed.

 

adma

Doesn't make sense.  He like puffins, yet he doesn't like puffin'

kropotkin1951

If they start smoking pot the odds go down that they will join up to be cannon fodder for the empire.  So why is it that some people think the liberals are a progressive party?  He as much said that the American War on Drugs is here in Canada to stay and we should get used to it.  

It is consistent with his believe that a little torture can go a long way and is justifiable in the right circumstances apparently unlike smoking a little pot.

ottawaobserver

adma wrote:

Doesn't make sense.  He like puffins, yet he doesn't like puffin'

Gold medal winner for "quote of the day"!

Slumberjack

This brings back teenage memories...digging ditches while smoking grass.  Ahh the good times we had.

Doug

As if Michael Ignatieff ever dug a ditch in his life.

Slumberjack

I'll give him this.  He's certainly an authority on the subject of digging holes.

Tommy_Paine

As if Michael Ignatieff ever dug a ditch in his life.

Can't blame him though.  Can you imagine work like that with a stick that size up his butt?

Webgear

Has any politican ever dug a ditch before?

ss atrahasis

New Iggy policy perhaps. If you get caught with the weed, you get sent to mandatory work camps to dig stuff. Mandatory minimum shoveling.

ottawaobserver

I guess they could always tinker with that idea at their Montreal conference...

demagogue

What an inspirational speech. Ignatieff is starting to remind me of Rodin's Thinker.  

Always in thought and never says anything. 

Frmrsldr

kropotkin1951 wrote:

If they start smoking pot the odds go down that they will join up to be cannon fodder for the empire.

Very good point!

kropotkin1951

As well it occurred to me last night that one of the places with the highest percentage of pot smokers are construction crews. Just shows he knows nothing about either construction or young people.  

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

Webgear wrote:

Has any politican ever dug a ditch before?

Strangely enough, they tend to specialize in digging holes.

Snert Snert's picture

Does this even need to be said?  I mean, sure, I'm old and out of touch with the youth, but don't kids actually prefer digging holes in the hot sun, to getting high on an illegal drug like Marihuana?  There's just something so perfect and so rewarding about a well-dug trench that, IMHO, rivals some brief, 3-4 hour feeling of "euphoria" or "relaxation".

West Coast Greeny

That's not quite how one wins over the youth vote.

Ditch-digging jobs aren't an alternative to getting high. The fact you might wind up with a stupid-ass ditch-digging job is the reason YOU DON'T GET HIGH IN THE FIRST PLACE.

kropotkin1951

I much prefer to have my heavy equipment operators sober.  Not many jobs these days for young people who want to dig wells or ditches by hand.  And those kind of construction jobs in BC are often done by companies who import their workers on temporary worker permits.  Does Iggy know anything about the real world?

conrad yablonski

Slumberjack wrote:
This brings back teenage memories...digging ditches while smoking grass.  Ahh the good times we had.

Well I dug some dtiches planted some trees built some houses and fought some forest fires but we always waited until after work for our pleasure.

 

kropotkin1951 wrote:
As well it occurred to me last night that one of the places with the highest percentage of pot smokers are construction crews.

I know what you mean see/smell it all the time.

 

BTW-whoever is buying those Olympic village condos on the south shore of False Creek is in for some nasty surprises when they see what the Stoner Crews have wrought.

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

Snert wrote:

Does this even need to be said?  I mean, sure, I'm old and out of touch with the youth, but don't kids actually prefer digging holes in the hot sun, to getting high on an illegal drug like Marihuana?  There's just something so perfect and so rewarding about a well-dug trench that, IMHO, rivals some brief, 3-4 hour feeling of "euphoria" or "relaxation".

I'm trying to picture in my head Cheech & Chong saying to each other "like hey man...wanna score some shovels so we can oh...like...dig some trenches man"...."hey...yeah...far out...like trenches man".

melovesproles

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Well I dug some dtiches planted some trees built some houses and fought some forest fires but we always waited until after work for our pleasure.

Haha, were you in one of the Christian treeplanting camps then?  I've planted a lot of trees and I can't say I've worked on any crews that operated on that philosophy and most of the lifers I've met were bowl a bagup.  And it's not about pleasure, it's about adding a little insta-perspective to a mindnumbingly boring repetive task that someone could do perfectly and often better stoned.  Repetitive manual labour is a gateway drug.

Frmrsldr

"You know kids, I wish every mom and dad would make a speech to each of their teenagers and say, 'Kids, be free. Be whatever you are. Do whatever you wanna do. Just so long as you don't hurt anybody.' And remember kids, I am your friend." - Hair The American Tribal Rock Musical.

Yeah, I'll take Margaret Meade over Iggy any day!Laughing

ottawaobserver

If Iggy keeps coming up with these kinds of bizarre statements, watching him in the next election campaign is going to be like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Sounds like something you'd need to get wrecked to fully appreciate the detail of, actually.

conrad yablonski

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Repetitive manual labour is a gateway drug.

Point taken!

kropotkin1951

I remember in the early 70's watching a labourer in a tiny market in Khandahar go from sifting sand out of a large pile of gravel for the "renovations" taking place.  He would sift for half hour or so and then go over to one of the shops smoke some drugs and then go back to the mind numbing work.  I hope Iggy keeps talking so people can see that not only does he look like a patrician who is out of touch but he is actually completely out to lunch.

Slumberjack

conrad yablonski wrote:

Slumberjack wrote:
This brings back teenage memories...digging ditches while smoking grass.  Ahh the good times we had.

Well I dug some dtiches planted some trees built some houses and fought some forest fires but we always waited until after work for our pleasure. 

Some activities require a clearer mind than others.

Stargazer

remind wrote:

Think some here have missed the meme being shoved at just finished high school students, and Iggy's words fit right into it.

 

Not been watching "18 to Life" on the CBC? And all the other teen age Canadian content dramentory shows?

 

They are selling early marriage and early pregnancies to white kids, think they are worried about the population demographic change that is set to hapen in 20 if they don't get on it.

 

Excellent pictorial about the propaganda shedding occurring, -=+=-!

 

Some quite apparently do not want people going and getting an actual education you know, to much competition I would say for those who  shut the door behind them, they want it to stay closed.

 

 

remind, this is a great post. I think we should start a thread topic on this. Have you heard of the TV show 16 and Pregnant? I hadn't thought about it in terms of concern of white population decline. I think that's an entirely valid and probably very accurate assessment of what is going on.

 

Back to Iggy - hypocrisy again. hey kids, I'm having a refreshing alcoholic beverage. Follow my lead. Don't smoke weed.

remind remind's picture

melovesproles wrote:
  Repetitive manual labour is a gateway drug.

 

OMG that is funny, I snorted coffee out my nose, type of funny.

 

Having said that, it really irks me that people continually demean blue collar jobs, as they are demeaning the workers who have to, or want to, take those jobs, ya know.

 

Was watching a program on the Knowlege network, a couple of days ago, about a family in the Netherlands who have a market farm for plants, where the family is extremely hands on on all aspects of the farm.

 

The featured fellow really made a statement to me when he said, paraphrased, that  there is nothing more relaxing and rewarding than working with your hands to create something.  He also advocated  getting back to  using nature to provide for us as opposed to chemicals from science based farming that is destroying the global environment. He was a perfect example of knowing that his "blue collar" actions are worth more to society than middle management white collar jobs. ;)

 

Disparaging "jobs" is disparaging and diminishing the people who want to, or have to, take "blue collar" jobs really, really is quite lacking in progressiveness, and social  equity and justice. It is classist as well, and indicates that perhaps blue collar workers would be better off leaving their white collar  'brethern'  separate and apart, from any actions that they undertake, as it seems solidarity is only going 1 way.

 

And we can readily see examples of that  white collar superior class mentality also, other than with Iggy's blatherings, with the recent example of the Canadian Red Cross using slave labour for their  rebuilding efforts in Indonesia after the quake.

remind remind's picture

Stargazer wrote:
... Have you heard of the TV show 16 and Pregnant? I hadn't thought about it in terms of concern of white population decline. I think that's an entirely valid and probably very accurate assessment of what is going on.

No, but there from your and P4's descriptions, lays more evidence of the push for "white girls" to get pregnant and pretty damn quickly too.

been watching the propaganda shedding on this for awhile, to see if there really was a pattern emerging about it.

 

 

 

 

PraetorianFour

that show 16 and pregnant is horseshit.

I caught it twice in passing. I figured it would be a show about how being 16 and pregnant is bad and something you should you know try to avoid.

Well the show has some bad moments but the producers have jazzy upbeat music. Show clips of happy mommies pushing their new borns around the mall or for groceries talking with "BFFs" about the latest rumor gossip at school. Animation and graphics thrown in.  Adults can see between the lines but to a 16 year old? I can imagine one watching this show and thinking of how cool and fun it would be. A&E or whoever whipped up this show did a bad job.

Sorry for the rant. I know how hard it is to have a kid at 15/16 and shows like this irk me.

relic

I would rather see my children grow up to be a  honest marijuana smokin ditch digger than an insensitive hypocritical politician.

 

Makes me think of a line from a song, "his clothes are dirty but his hands are clean".

Stargazer

I love that, "honest marijuana smoking ditch digger". I am so using that line! Thanks relic.

wage zombie

West Coast Greeny wrote:

That's not quite how one wins over the youth vote.

Ditch-digging jobs aren't an alternative to getting high. The fact you might wind up with a stupid-ass ditch-digging job is the reason YOU DON'T GET HIGH IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I suspect there are multiple socio economic factors that have much more effect on future employment than getting high.

The term "stupid ass ditch-digging job" is problematic.

And I very much doubt that you have any data which would demonstrate that there's higher use of marijuana in blue collar demographics.

 

Stargazer

Oh how did I miss WCG's post??

Most of my profs were pot smokers. Some of the most intelligent and hard working people I know are pot smokers.

How insulting to insinuate that pot smokers are destined to be "stupid ass ditch diggers" because they smoke pot.

Seriously, I've heard this crap my entire life. Are you employed by the DEA? (jk)

 

Hey kids, listen up, if you don't want to be a blue collar worker who digs ditches, you better not try pot. Clearly pot leads to heroin, all night raves and a mind incapable of computing coherent thoughts.

 

 

kropotkin1951

Stargazer wrote:

Oh how did I miss WCG's post??

Most of my profs were pot smokers. Some of the most intelligent and hard working people I know are pot smokers.

How insulting to insinuate that pot smokers are destined to be "stupid ass ditch diggers" because they smoke pot.

Seriously, I've heard this crap my entire life. Are you employed by the DEA? (jk)

 

Laughing Cool

That has been my life experience as well. With that attitude she could work for the RCMP since I have noticed a tendency lately for them to be on the public air waves preaching not the illegality of pot but the immorality of it. 

Stargazer

Ohhhhh....the pits of hell are a callin' Cool

remind remind's picture

personally have more issues with the classist bs of it all,  and the disparaging of workers, who actually you know work, than I do with the pot smoking commentary, but then that is typical BC GP ideology anyway.

 

meanwhile, it is hard to be an angry leftie, as I have scads of deer all over my back yard and one with a beautiful little babby entow. Which I watched being born a few days back.

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