Neo Nazi Rally Planned for Vancouver March 21
http://mostlywater.org/neonazi_rally_planned_vancouver_area_two_articles
"The activist group No One is Illegal - Vancouver is preparing to confront what it says is a neo-Nazi rally being planned for March 21, the International Day for the Elimination of Racist Discrimination...The white-pride rally will start at 11:00 AM at the Braid Sky Train Station in New Westminster. Anti-racist protesters will gather at the same location..."
Why not just let the police handle it.
Because it's chance for the righteous to show their colours.Why not just let the police handle it.
I predict the media will outnumber the righteous on either side.
BTW-It's hard to imagine a more obscure location than the Braid Skytrain station-a stop on the road to nowhere.
Ya, and why New West?
Why not just let the police handle it.
All over the world, wherever Nazis gather, progressive forces have massed to show that they will never tolerate the rise of such poison in their society. I want to hail the progressive people of Vancouver for continuing this tradition.
Smash fascism!
Nonsense. This isn't Nazi Germany. We have a police force to handle illegal disturbances.
North Report, I'm not sure their rally is illegal. That's the thing. I'm sure they would LOVE to have the police take them down for just showing up with their signs as despicable as they are. Unless they actively hate speeching under the legal definition of hate speech then what they're doing isn't illegal.
All around the world, anti-racist and anti-fascist forces arrive in huge crowds, vastly outnumbering the Nazi scum, and do their very best to expose and disrupt their "legal" attempts to assemble and spew their venom.
You want to rely on the police to stop the spread of Nazism and racism, NR - more power to you. Stay home.
[url=http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=bolton-race-clash-riot-74-arres... race clash riot: 74 arrested in street demonstration[/url]
[Thousands of anti-fascists vs. a handful of Nazi scum.]
[url=http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=20381]"We won't let these EDL racists riot again"[/url]
The racist English Defence League (EDL) wants to riot against Muslims in Bolton on Saturday 20 March.
This follows their rampage through the streets of Stoke last month in which they smashed up Asian shops and homes.
But activists are mobilising to stop them.
“We have to tell those bigoted thugs they shall not pass,” says Barry Conway, secretary of the Bolton NUT teachers’ union.
Lamia Zasrani, a student from the borough, agrees. She says people should not be scared into staying at home.
“If we don’t protest on the streets, the EDL will have free rein,” she says.
Trade unionists from across the north west of England have joined the call to stop the racists.
And the police to the rescue:
[url=http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=20389]Activists condemn demobilisation of anti-fascist protests[/url]
Anti fascist supporters are angry at attempts by police and local councils to stop the Asian community and young people from joining protests against the racist English Defence League (EDL).
Activists were speaking at the recent Unite Against Fascism conference in London about building a mass campaign to confronting the EDL and the Nazi British National Party (BNP).
“Police went to mosques, schools and anti fascists meetings to stop people joining the Manchester protest last year”, Mark Krantz, a local activist told the meeting. “We didn’t see them out at the football grounds telling people not to join the EDL protest!”
An activist from Stoke said that the police organised activities for Asian youth to take them away from the protest. This was echoed by a Leeds activist—“Youth workers literally stood on street corners, and some went door to door, to deter them”, said Katie Wheatley.
“They even put on coaches to Alton Towers to take youth out of the area. Their actions expose the Islamophobia that still exists in state institutions”, she argued.
The Nottingham delegate spoke about how the police encouraged local Mosques to use their Eid message to stop people coming out.
And a babble thread last month:
[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/neo-nazis-outnum... outnumbered by counterdemonstrators at Dresden rally[/url]
That's the one where the Mayor led the civil disobedience to smash the fascists. She didn't wait for the cops to prevent the rise of Nazism in Germany like they did in the 1930s...
I think by other groups confronting these idiots, sickos, whoever they are, you give them the additional publicity they seek. The Lower Mainland within a couple of decades with have 60% visible minorities. I doubt very much there is much of a market for this kind of stupidity in this area.
Stay home and let the police handle it, NR. These "idiots, sickos, whoever they are" need to be stamped out before they spread.
Now I could agree with you if you said these brownshirts need to be stopped.
Reining in U.S. rent-a-Rambos
Scandal has shone the light on America's dirty little secret armies in Afghanistan and Iraq wars
What, then, about the army of U.S. mercenary Rambos that are running amok, who wear no uniform, kill at will and have no legal oversight? http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/eric_margolis/2010/03/19/132...
NR, our job is to ensure that Canada withdraws from Afghanistan; gives no support whatever to U.S. crimes in Iraq or elsewhere; and stops fascism and such forces from growing here. In that way, we look after those things that we are responsible for and that we can control, in solidarity with the people of Afghanistan and Iraq and the U.S. and other countries who are fighting for the same cause.
Regarding the publicity angle. In many cases I would agree with North Reports concern about giving additional publicity to awful things like this. I don't when it comes to these folks. They do want publicity. That's why they hold rallies like this in hopes that it will be covered. However for them getting publicity such as 'white pride holds rally' with the addition of 'white pride hold rally' and 'counter demo holds rally and outnumbers white pride demo' is not the sort of publicity they want. They want to be able to suggest that the lack of people caring is indicating support by ommision, that they really represent the 'silent majority'. It's a recruiting angle. That's why actions in Dresden that Unionist brought up are really important. It works to takes some of the wing out of those sails. Plus I know from experience that it really pisses them off when they can't claim that so many'white' people secretly support them. It's hard to do when they're standing next to more 'white' people countering the BS then they have in their own group. And yeah I bring up 'white' people on purpose. These types could care less about the numbers of non-whites that show up, not that I'm in any way saying that whoever people are that they shouldn't. That's just the reality of the way these folks think.
hear hear Eliza Q and unionist! These thugs need to be encountered and exposed like the scum they are.
"Let the police handle it" would be nice..if the police actually "handled" these issues. They are usually too busy trying to harass OCAP. Great priorities the police have.
Yes, Vancouver cops are too busy beating up people of colour to stop neo-nazis from marching.
Press Release re Planned White Supremacist March
http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/newsrelease/3005
"Racial hatred must be opposed in all its forms; and the public has a right to know when individuals in their community are disseminating its propaganda..'
What White Supremacist Rally?
http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/News/2010/03/21/13308501.html
"The fear of a white supremacy rally in the Lower Mainland drew hundreds os anti-racism supporters to New Westminster Sunday. The coalition of diverse groups - from labour unions, communists, anti-racism advocates and social rights groups--showed up in force for a rumoured rally by a neo-Nazi group.
They never showed up. So instead of confrontation, demonstrators staged an upbeat rally to celebrate multiculturalism..."
Yes, Vancouver cops are too busy beating up people of colour to stop neo-nazis from marching.
Bah, so call in the Geheime Staatspolizei.
I wonder how many government spooks will be there with cameras rolling on the anti-fascistas. Provocateur time?
Beautiful! Cowardly scum stayed in their holes. Fear works.
Beautiful! Cowardly scum stayed in their holes. Fear works.
Methinks their tactics are a tad subtle for one such as you, they got the publicity they wanted without having to even get out of bed.
Also-when will people learn the names of Vancouver suburbs-New Westminter is not Vancouver.
Beautiful! Cowardly scum stayed in their holes. Fear works.Methinks their tactics are a tad subtle for one such as you, they got the publicity they wanted without having to even get out of bed.
Regular folks would say that the many anti-fascist forces that linked arms to confront them on an urgent basis got the publicity, but then your interest seems to lie elsewhere. You were convinced that more media would show up than anti-fascists - you'll just have to learn to live with disappointment.
Also-when will people learn the names of Vancouver suburbs-New Westminter is not Vancouver.
Shouldn't that read, "New Westminter is not Vanouver"?
lol @Conrad. Yes, New Westminster residents never refer to themselves as Vancouverites...
Anyway, as Unionist mentions, no-show Nazis stayed abed today.
Nonsense. This isn't Nazi Germany. We have a police force to handle illegal disturbances.
Remember that in the Weimar Republic, the German Army and police beat, arrested, tortured and shot/murdered communist and socialist demonstrators. They were often sympathetic/supportive/members of the NSDAP and other racist/fascist/right wing organizations.
My apologies for misspelling New Westminster.
You were convinced that more media would show up than anti-fascists - you'll just have to learn to live with disappointment.
Not sure why you think I'm disappointed-I didn't get out of bed either.
Not sure why you think I'm disappointed-I didn't get out of bed either.
Well, I just thought people who make predictions tend to be disappointed when they're so totally wrong:
I predict the media will outnumber the righteous on either side.
But maybe you're happy that you were so totally wrong. My mistake.
Beautiful! Cowardly scum stayed in their holes. Fear works.Methinks their tactics are a tad subtle for one such as you, they got the publicity they wanted without having to even get out of bed.
Also-when will people learn the names of Vancouver suburbs-New Westminter is not Vancouver.
Conrad, why have you spent this ENTIRE thread mocking and belittling the importance of standing up to racism and fascism? Is there a reason you're being so derisive and dismissive about this issue? The fact that these people didn't appear today doesn't mean that no one needs to worry about them showing up in the future. They didn't show up because it became clear that they'd be so badly outnumbered by antifascists that they'd look pathetic and ridiculous. Isn't that a good thing by you? It would be by most people.
They didn't show up because it became clear that they'd be so badly outnumbered by antifascists that they'd look pathetic and ridiculous.
As I posted above-I very much doubt they care about those who oppose them and having the righteous show up and shout about something that didn't happen probably fits their plan to a Tee-what's so hard to understand about that.
The fury of the righteous sometimes blinds them to simple reality.
Whatever. Next time we organize an anti-fascist demo, we'll carry one small sign reading:
DISCLAIMER: Conrad wishes it known that he thinks this is just what the Nazis want, so he stayed at home.
They didn't show up because it became clear that they'd be so badly outnumbered by antifascists that they'd look pathetic and ridiculous.As I posted above-I very much doubt they care about those who oppose them and having the righteous show up and shout about something that didn't happen probably fits their plan to a Tee-what's so hard to understand about that.
The fury of the righteous sometimes blinds them to simple reality.
Then you don't understand them very well.
North Report, I'm not sure their rally is illegal. That's the thing. I'm sure they would LOVE to have the police take them down for just showing up with their signs as despicable as they are. Unless they actively hate speeching under the legal definition of hate speech then what they're doing isn't illegal.
I agree. Even though I hate what they stand for they have the right to peaceful protest. Their not stupid, they know the difference between what is considered hate speech and what's not and will skirt that line.
They love nothing more for police and counter-protesters to show up which attracts the media.
My personal views are that the best thing to do with idiots like this is to ignore them. I would love for no one to show up [including the media] and let them gather and shout and be ignored by the rest of the world.
Oops looks like it was a fop anyways.
as did they this time, as that is what they apparently "wanted"!
Good grief....
As it turned out I was correct in my assessment and they did not even show up.
That absolutely does not go to follow.
Each of has a right to our own opinion about what issues are most important and their degree of importance. Personally I thought going out to protest these flakes was a waste of time, plus why give them additional publicity. As it turned out I was correct in my assessment and they did not even show up. Wake me up when there is something serious to address, as we have police forces for arresting people who break the law. Who was the source of information that said they were going to demonstrate?
They didn't show up because it became clear that they'd be so badly outnumbered by antifascists that they'd look pathetic and ridiculous.As I posted above-I very much doubt they care about those who oppose them and having the righteous show up and shout about something that didn't happen probably fits their plan to a Tee-what's so hard to understand about that.
The fury of the righteous sometimes blinds them to simple reality.
Why do you keep using the phrase "the righteous" as a term of contempt and derision?
And why do you use it as if fascists and antifascist activists are both equally ridiculous?
Is it your view that everyone should just have ASSUMED the fascists wouldn't shoe up?
Or you saying no one should have had a problem with the idea of a fascist demonstration in their home town?
Of all the threads where you could be a life form with hairy legs who lives under a bridge, why THIS one?
conrad, I too am puzzled by your presence and persistence in this thread. While you've not said anything that requires moderator intervention, I've been reading this thread and wanted to just drop you a friendly note.
Whenever fascist or organized racists and other would-be oppressors announce they will be taking up space, regular folks who object need to stand in opposition.
Yes, every time, and yes every place in which this happens.
Basing our actions on what the other side might "think" or "want" is not a tactic that's ever won our side, that is, the side of progressive change, anything.
My friendly suggestion conrad is to not continue to pop in to threads where you are offering no positive contributions.
My friendly suggestion conrad is to not continue to pop in to threads where you are offering no positive contributions.
I note two (2) other posters here with views similar to mine-why then am I being singled out for 'special treatment'?
IMV someone has been duped and ears are burning/someone is lashing out.
Why do you think anyone has been duped?
And, if the end result of this episode was a large demonstration against fascism, can't you at least admit that THAT was a good thing?
You owe us an explanation of what your attitude here is about. And also, would you kindly tell us what you think people should have been concerned about INSTEAD of this, (given that a clear assumption behind your posts here is that mobilizing against a possible fascist/racist rally in New Westminster was a waste of time). What was there, in your exalted and inherently superior point of view that people should have focused on rather than the need to take a stand against fascism and racism?
It's really not cool for you to be mocking people's feelings about this, you know.
Why not just let the police handle it.
What is there to "handle"?
If they are not breaking the law...then there's nothing for the police (or anyone else, for that matter) to "handle".
If they are breaking the law, then it's a police matter.
But, in either case, if others what to counter-protest, what's the big deal with that?
You're a bit late, Sven. The event was to have happened yesterday. The fascist cowards ended up not appearing.
Beautiful! Cowardly scum stayed in their holes. Fear works.Methinks their tactics are a tad subtle for one such as you, they got the publicity they wanted without having to even get out of bed.
Ya, pro-fascist demos are kinda like globalization meetings for the G8 leaders. They tend to schedule them in far away cities in ever more remote locations around the world to avoid security problems with massive protests. The pro-capitalist fascists are always outnumbered in these things.
You're a bit late, Sven. The event was to have happened yesterday. The fascist cowards ended up not appearing.
No, I realize that. I'm just saying that more generally.
I note two (2) other posters here with views similar to mine-why then am I being singled out for 'special treatment'?
Hmm, I wonder what final solution the mods will arrive at to deal with this yablonski question.
<rim shot!> <cymbal crash!>
Oy.
Don't link to them dude. FFS.
We know who they are.
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U.S. white supremacist videotapes antiracism rally in New Westminster
Antiracist activists at Braid SkyTrain station show up on white pride Web site
http://www.straight.com/article-299482/vancouver/us-racist-videotapes-rally
Well now, so they did show up, and were to cowardly to claim who and what they were. Unless of course they were fishing for faces and names given this:
He has distributed copies of a racist tabloid called the Aryan Alternative and was "the first person to prominently post the home address of a federal judge whose husband and mother were later murdered there". The SPLC stated that the killer was not connected to racist groups.
Because it's chance for the righteous to show their colours.
I predict the media will outnumber the righteous on either side.
I love how conrad equates white supremacists with anti-racists, and just lumps them all together as "the righteous", as if neither really has any claim to reality or reason.
You know, one side wishes Hitler and the Ku Klux Klan had succeeded in their ultimate goals, the other side wants to see an end to racism.
Well, heck, that's kind of the same, really, right conrad? They're all equally extreme and anti-social, just different sides, is that it, conrad?
