Coulter Cancelled Part IV

Thank you for this.

This article and Kady O'Malley's write-up (which is referenced) are pretty much the only solid reports that I've seen on this whole foolish thing.

EDIT: actually, Neil Macdonald had a column at the CBC that wasn't half bad, though still fell into the trap of hand-wringing about how "bad" this makes the University of Ottawa look.

How many interviews did she do while here, by the way? I'd love to see someone sit down to interview her and treat her like a Colbert-esque parody: praise her for staying in character so well, for so perfectly mimicking a racist and ignorant extremist. You'd think that would have happened by now. She goes around being called a "journalist" by some, so you would think some self-respecting real journalist would hit back.

Unionist wrote:

This is Canada.

Our youth are good. Only those motivated by fear want to fetter them.

If a howling mob of 3 neo-Nazis ever dared to gather, they would be shown the meaning of "freedom of assembly" by a polite gathering of 3,000 anti-fascists. That's how it works in Europe. That's how it worked last week in New Westminster. We don't fool around.

 

The trouble with that reasoning is that you better hope that you're always in command of the levers of force. G-d forbid you guess wrong. Without the rule of law, and with the rule of force prevailing some anti-Nazis could wind up with bloody noses, literally.

Unionist wrote:

Oh, and what is G-d - another victim of an uncontrolled vowel movement?

 

The Jews, including myself, don't like to spell out the name.

Wolf Preserver wrote:

Then what's to stop a howling mob of neo-Nazis from shouting down Jack Layton?

A howling mob of paleoconservatives or even "neo-Liberal" louts shouting louder?

Unionist wrote:

Because then some people will say that Canadians support her or are indifferent to her Islamophobia and homophobia.

 

No my dear collectivist some people will simply say that some canadians support annie just like some support her in the US.

 

Sad how far the left has fallen on being stewards of voltairian free speech. Chomsky defeneded Faurisons right to speak back in the day and got in a lot of trouble from the right. The post 68 crowd are a bunch of losers in comparison.

I don't much care for them or annie, I don't give a fuck about annie, her whole thing is bothering people and making the right look like those who push the limmits of expression, I'm not fooled by it.

There's actually a Jay Leno episode where Jay had annie and george on the same show, carlin came on first and did the classic modern man material then ann came on and talked her bs and you know what happened when annie came to sit next to george...he didn't say a thing, which says it all.

See carlin along with chomsky comes from a more classical era of leftism where pushing the limits of speech was the name of the game and hate speech did not exist, somewhere along the line this changed and that libertarian edge was lost, people like you found an existence.

While I do respect those who protested, I think a "Don't Feed The Trolls" approach to this entertainer would have been a better tactical response. That or cream pies... I realize that runs the risk of being charged like the woman who managed to connect with King Ralph here in Alberta, but since the nature of the assault is such that it subjects the target to humiliation rather than physical harm, I think it might be worth running the risk. The debate, though, is over tactics... it is not a free speech debate to me - this entertainer already has a platform to pontificate from, and any protestations from her that she is being deprived of a chance to be heard are purely ludicrous.

 

Wow still talking about this.

 

I think most miss the point about Coulter, and her ilk.  Essentaily, Coulter is unsubstantive, famous for being famous, and is actually on the same plane as Paris Hilton.   Although, having said that, I perhaps have done injustice to Ms Hilton:  though my knowledge of her is scant, I've never known her to lie-- so she's at least a cut above Coulter.

 

And Coulter uses her outrageous statements as a smoke screen for her weak intellect.   People get bent out of shape about the racist things she says, and lose sight of the fact that she is an out and out, documented fabricator.   

The fact that any University would pay her to speak is certainly an indication of low academic rigour and standards for those particular institutions.

 

No, I think the vital issue here is anyone who would give someone like Coulter a podium.   That's the free speech issue; that the media and learning institutions give someone like Coulter a podium, taking the space away from reasoned voices-- that you or I may agree or dissagree with.

 

Yeah, I stand with the students at Ottawa, but I wish they protested Coulter less, and the intellectually dishonest people who invited her more, and made life uncomfortable for the busineses and others who financially support places like UWO, for example.

 

Atta go, Tommy.  Folks like Coulter and Limbaugh are entertainers disguised as politicos.  Mind you, the distinction has become quite blurred since the Reagan presidency.

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See carlin along with chomsky comes from a more classical era of leftism where pushing the limits of speech was the name of the game and hate speech did not exist, somewhere along the line this changed and that libertarian edge was lost, people like you found an existence.

 

I have a quibble with this. I just read Carlin's autobiography a couple of weeks ago. He said he didn't become a conscious leftist until the early 1980s. He was raised an Eisenhower Republican in a pretty well-off household, and didn't question his mother's politics until relatively late in life

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Unionist wrote:

Ah - so the anti-Nazis would get their noses bloodied by [b][i]you[/i][/b], while you were fighting to the death to protect the neo-Nazis' rights.

I needed to draw an actual picture, but I think I get it now. Thanks.

Personally unionist, I find it pretty damn amazing that people, such as this to whom you responded, say they will fight to the death for pro-Nazis free speech, against others who are merely exercizing their right to free speech, also.

It boggles the mind actually to perceive the tragic discontinuity of their thoughts and rationalization processes.

I will go as far to say that any interest group engages in the same mechanisms of trying to exclude other peoples views so that their own appear.

I agree that this should occur or else we wouldn't be able to take our messages to other people. I think the fact that people have the ability to exclude and contest other people's views is what makes free speech possible. I won't defend a neo-nazi's ability to participate but I only expect that they will engage in a struggle to be heard... and that we will also do so to silence their position with our own.

Good link, nodiff,  We definitely need to pay more attention to who signed what for her tour, who sponsored what.  And for starters, is Ashley Scorpio a real name?  OK, it may be.  There's a D Scorpio in Ottawa-Hull, in canada411.

Rex Murphy introduced the discussion this afternoon by calling Coulter a "pundit".  "Trained seal" and "puppet" would have sprung to my lips but I chose to walk my dog a few miles in the rain.

And Ashley Scorpio, by any other name, would still have Keddy tossing her fish.

 

msm in Canada is going far right, and even rabble/babble lets white supremists like viking77 post here.

 

someone in Halifax going to challenge the Chronicals comment "on the advice of the police Coulter organizers cancelled"?

 

because the police have denied that.

Look again at the concern for Coulter's bile, MS. It is a concern for the younger set being exposed to Coulter's poisoning of the social well. You see her schtick as only giving offense, which makes  you sociologically naive and unaware of the implications for tomorrows' society. Probably you were only offended by the Teabagger's carrying on, there being no indication there of social sickness or pathology.

Ann Coulter is a comedian isnt she? I would go to her show for a laugh.

"How about highlight reels on the camel comment"

Have you seen the entire quote unedited?

A four-part thread on Ann Coulter — she must be loving the attention.

I just watched it now, and it wasn't taken out of context at all.

What are you doing here, anyhow?  Did you take a wrong turn when looking for a site that endorses racism and Islamophobia?

Seriously.  Why are you even here?

The young lady asked her 2 questions. When she was answering the first question the crowd started yelling at her. Why were they their if they did not want to here her?

A book recomendation for Remind and Unionist

 

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html

 

"In the Chicago suburb of Skokie, one out of every six Jewish citizens in the late 1970s was a survivor--or was directly related to a survivor--of the Holocaust. These victims of terror had resettled in America expecting to lead peaceful lives free from persecution. But their safe haven was shattered when a neo-Nazi group announced its intention to parade there in 1977."

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In response, the American Civil Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis' right to free speech.

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Forcefully argued, Strum's book shows that freedom of speech must be defended even when the beneficiaries of that defense are far from admirable individuals. It raises both constitutional and moral issues critical to our understanding of free speech and carries important lessons for current controversies over hate speech on college campuses, inviting readers to think more carefully about what the First Amendment really means.

 

ACLU attorney David Goldberger, caught in the ironic position of being a Jew defending the rights of Nazis against fellow Jews.

it's getting off topic but do you respect his princples even if you disagree with his stance.

Just realizing you think they should be allowed to march but others(not acting through the state) should be allowed to stand in the way and block them.

Not sure what's so funny Remind - I'd still love to see a response from you in the thread on North Korea.