I cite a scholarly article from an engineering journal that's listed in a reputable engineering database
I rely on the reports of scientists and engineers who don't fudge facts and who aren't being paid to come up with explanations to fit the scenario.
al-Q, what part of Bazant's article were you citing, and how is it relevant to the discussion here?
Also, what course do you teach engineering technologists? And what is their specific field of specialty?
If this is even remotely true, you sure don't show it. You should also be ashamed of yourself for supporting such absurd theories
I apologize for this remark. I have no reason to doubt you. Upon first reading, it seemed to suggest that you yourself had an engineering background. On second reading, it's not so clear.
Anyway, this is what happens when posts become taunting or dismissive.
Oh, and since you asked, I have taught in a college of engineering and still teach engineering technologists.
Yeah, but that sounds like those old engineering schools that are under the thumb of the CIA. Not the new troofer school of engineering which favors gut reactions and where evidence is ignored, or ridiculed. If you don't learn to live in this post-fact society al-Qa'bong then you are doomed.
To me there might be several reactions that could have produced molten steel.
1. When hot carbon and steam come together you get CO2, CO and H2. The hotter the reaction the more H2 is formed. And H2 can burn hot enough to melt steel or it could react with iron oxide to produce iron and steam. Maybe some chemist or combustion engineer can confirm that.
2. If there was still electric power going into the compacted WTC pile then it would not be inconceivable to find some kind of electric arc furnace.
....where evidence is ignored, or ridiculed.
Speak of the devil...
Hey Trev, you never answered my question from 3 threads ago: what is the fall time that NIST confirms for the WTC collapses? And are you still suggesting that 90 highrise floors cause a whole 4 seconds of resistance? Let's talk about evidence being ignored.
That's interesting, Bubbles. Do any of the reports suggest this? You seem to be suggesting too, still, that it would be regular building fires producing this hot carbon, and none of the scientists on either side of the debate are suggesting that the fires could melt steel.
And in any case, NIST denies there was molten steel.
So. Was there, or wasn't there?
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Ahem. Fidel.
Fidel, you're a hoot - responding to the suggestion that conspiracy theory with a well-known conspiracy theorist site! Awesome!
Did you note that those prone to accepting conspiracy theories often embrace more than one?
There was no molten "steel" it's all a fabrication by the "truth" industry using phony quotes and hoping nobody would ask...How do they know it was steel and not some other metal that melts at a lower temperature ?
Hey Trev, you never answered my question from 3 threads ago: what is the fall time that NIST confirms for the WTC collapses?
I used the times that you provided and showed that your claim was not true. What was the NIST time? I don't care. If you want to know look it up yourself. It's not my job to look up information that you will either ignore, manipulate or misapply for your own ends.
And are you still suggesting that 90 highrise floors cause a whole 4 seconds of resistance? Let's talk about evidence being ignored.
I have been here long enough to know that discussing scientific evidence, whether it is about homeopathy, 9/11 or whatever else, with you is a complete waste of time.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE]WTC2 South Tower on 9/11 Molten Metal North-East Corner[/url] YouTube
had cited Mad Magazine, but for different reasons
I can't say I've ever cited mad..but I have cited Cracked in a few of these discussions.
I have been here long enough to know that discussing scientific evidence, whether it is about homeopathy, 9/11 or whatever else, with you is a complete waste of time.
I could be but I've found most truthers tend to look at the collapse as a mass vs mass issue and get stuck on that idea rather than treating it as the mass vs structure problem that it really is. The truth industry feeds off this misunderstanding.
Fidel, you're a hoot - responding to the suggestion that conspiracy theory with a well-known conspiracy theorist site! Awesome!
The BBC is a real news agency, and Daniel Ganser is a real historian living in Switzerland. Gladio was a story that broke in Europe in 1991. Made the back pages of US Newz but was front and centre in several European parliaments.
Fidel, I click your first link, it takes me to globalresearch.ca, and the banner on the side says: "2012 - The end of the world? See what government is hiding from you!"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then you want to be taken seriously... It's funny. Almost cute.
There was no molten "steel" it's all a fabrication by the "truth" industry using phony quotes and hoping nobody would ask...How do they know it was steel and not some other metal that melts at a lower temperature ?
Yes, and 911mysths cites another "debunking" site as its highly reputable source for this claim. How utterly convincing.
Fidel, you're a hoot - responding to the suggestion that conspiracy theory with a well-known conspiracy theorist site! Awesome!
The BBC is a real news agency, and Daniel Ganser is a real historian living in Switzerland. Gladio was a story that broke in Europe in 1991. Made the back pages of US Newz but was front and centre in several European parliaments.
[url=http://www.welt.de/english-news/article2769411/Three-Germans-arrested-ov... German BND agents arrested in Kosovo bombing[/url] 2008 ... at a time when NATO's role in the former Yugoslavia was in question
I could be but I've found most truthers tend to look at the collapse as a mass vs mass issue and get stuck on that idea rather than treating it as the mass vs structure problem that it really is.
Salsa knows all about it. Salsa's a good reder.
Globalresearch is a collection of essays from academics and interested people from around the world and run by Michel Chossudovsky, prof. of economics at Ottawa University.
Meanwhile, ALL of the web sites deniers have pointed us to are sources in the USA itself, the country where more rightwing whackos reside than any other. lol!
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Y'Whackos! 
Fidel, I click your first link, it takes me to globalresearch.ca, and the banner on the side says: "2012 - The end of the world? See what government is hiding from you!"
You had better not dillydally on that 2012 information Timebandit as it is "Under a threat of Being Taken Offline. You Must Act Now to Receive it...Fast"
I used the times that you provided and showed that your claim was not true. What was the NIST time? I don't care. If you want to know look it up yourself. It's not my job to look up information that you will either ignore, manipulate or misapply for your own ends.
It's funny. You all say that you've "shown" this, but somehow you're never able to point to the post where your proof lies. And then you're all always too busy or inconvenienced to actually go find this debate-ending proof of yours, but somehow not too busy or inconvenienced to post dozens more grade-school taunts.
Show me where you scientifically demonstrate that 90 highrise floors do not need to provide more than 4 seconds of resistance. Otherwise I'd suggest you're getting into the realm of Creationist physics.
Globalresearch is a collection of essays from academics and interested people from around the world and run by Michel Chossudovsky, prof. of economics at Ottawa University.
Meanwhile, ALL of the web sites deniers have pointed us to are sources in the USA itself, the country where more rightwing whackos reside than any other. lol!
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Y'Whackos!
And example of the good professor's leanings:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO201A.html
New World Order and climate change!!! Nuttier than nougat!
For the love of cats.
Closing for length. I have no more words.
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