An Allied Coverup - 69 years later

I agree, Clandestiny. Politicians and economists are paid to tell the big lies today. They are paid to lie about the "new" economy, the information economy that never was and is now going away. If we don't work on Bay Street or Wall Street, we aren't part of the actual new economy of finance that shovels money to those who offshore what were once good paying jobs. The whole economy is based on a lie, and their hirelings in government are just bad liars all around. And we have bullshit leaders in Ottawa who are putty in the hands of the US national security-police state apparatus and proceeding to finish the betrayal of Canadians started by Mulroney through Paul Martin and now Steve Harper. If Al-CIA'duh and Taliban ever did invade Bananada, and that's a bullshit scenario anyway, I wouldnt lift a finger to fight them off.

contrarianna wrote:

HeywoodFloyd wrote:

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I'm not one for weeping for the past but it is a useful tool to open people's eyes to current events by making them apologize for past wrongs.

I understand your position, but I suggest the reality is the exact opposite.

Rather than a "good start" it creates the illusion that "we" ( "we" actually perceived as a safe, historically distanced, "they") committed crimes in the bad old past which can be repudiated by our morally superior position today.

It taps into the general false melioirist illusion, almost imbibed with mothers milk, that society and human ethics are better now than before (with the exception of designated alien societies).

It also makes it easier by virtue of our time-improved ethics to diminish the reality of current crimes, making them seem insignificant or non-existent because "that is not who we are now".

And thus it also provides cover for cynical politicians to  take personal credit for issuing collective apologies for crimes and mistakes that they will never be held personally responsible for. It is a political win-win game and very popular; if the politician was actually seen as responsible for the crimes that they were apologizing for, no apology would never happen. (eg. Harper's apology for residential schools while furthering the destruction of aboriginal lives with tar sands policy).

That is not to say that the nations or organizations should not have a moral and legal responsibility for past transgressions.

The problem with the above is it precludes additional debate.

The terrible plane crash today- sure focuses attention on the Katyn massacre, though Stalin/USSR long gone. That's ok (sayeth Mister Pig) it's the image of 22000 defenseless Polish officers being slaughtered by them filthy commies: though at the timeup to 11 million human being were also dying in the fascist death camps (no more 'nazi' please- the reactionaries were reactionaries ie REACTION-ARIES and they're sure going strong today, helped  by using term 'national' socialist!)  'nazi' just confuses the issue and the word should be banned from street usage. In the  'Myth of the good war' and another book recounting of an eye witness look at the Paris Commune/ 1871 by (? i forget) the import of the failure of the Commune on the Bolsheviks and other revolutionaries who, to try not make the same mistake the Paris Communards did and maybe learned that overreaction was better then .... (in one of most hideous examples of reactionary power in history, as many as 40 thousand workers were murdered when the reactionaries under 'adolph Thiers' retook control of Paris- this included mass executions of school children by firing squads, something even the 'nazis' never tried, to my knowlege)...the Katyn massacre was a terrible crime regardless, but to forget the context of the time contributes to the ultimate fascist victory in the Second world war over the people. The war was fought to stop the reactionary rightwing tyrants like mussilini and hitler and the Japanese imperialists from making world a vast prison; but no one ever told any allied troops that the real enemy was in fact communism (at least not while USSR was tearing schicklgruber etc to pieces)...that came later, sorta slipped in while high wages was paid us all over the place due to necessity of keeping workers quiet whilst USSR stood by, and triggered the economic miracle that created largest middle class voting bloc in history. Mr pig schemed to get back to where he was in 1913, and in Canada mr pig's man, brian mulroney, today chairs a debate between Salman Rushdie and (Weisel?) about 'bread? white or black preferred,) or whatever it is... while steve harper plots 24/7 how to crush this fricking country (he really needs a majority to do it)...on CBC brent bambury asks Ian Hanomansing  a) what's best thing about Olympics for Van City (it's again a great party town is the Hanomano reply. and B) banbury then says he hopes Hanomansing is the next 'GovGeneral', and Hanomansing says i'd like that' or something)...

we live in boring times, you can  betcha