NYC: suspicious car leads to closure of times square
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"Millions of people have been misled regarding the causes and consequences of September 11. [i]When people across the US and around the World find out that Al Qaeda is not an outside enemy but a creation of US foreign policy and the CIA, the legitimacy of the bipartisan war agenda will tumble like a deck of cards."[/i] Across the land, the image of an "outside enemy" is instilled in the consciousness of Americans. Al Qaeda is threatening America and the world. The repeal of democracy under the Patriot legislation is portrayed as a means to providing "domestic security" and upholding civil liberties. The 9/11 Commission Report destroys the historical record of US covert support to international terrorism, while creating the illusion that America and "Western Civilization" are threatened. In turn, the various terrorist warnings and code orange alerts have created, across America, an atmosphere of fear and intimidation. -- Canadian Michel Chossudovsky on "America's War on Terrorism" 2005
I wonder if some over-enthusiastic "tea-baggers" did this?
It looks like the Pentagon is running out of ideas. This is a repeat of the car bomb 'attempt' in London, England in 2007. Couldn't they have come up with something a little more original?
They are looking for some white guy in his 40s who was seen changing his clothes as he was making his getaway. Definitely Al-Qaeda. 
People on FARK are calling suspected militant teabaggers "Teahaddists" and "the Talibubba". It's funny, but I'm getting more and more frightened, especially if they are planting carbombs.
They're investigating whether it may be linked to death threats against the creators of SOuth Park over the Mohamed cartoon. Apparently, the car was parked very close to the offices of Viacom, which owns Comedy Central.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7668606/Times...
Of course, because angry white americans have never built a car bomb.
Please forgive the pedantry, but every time I see the thread title -- and of course all reports in the media -- I cringe.
The car was not "suspicious." The car was suspect. Those who noticed something odd about the car became suspicious.
I am suspicious of you, which makes you suspect. It works like that.
Oh come on, Skdadl. The car was obviously acting suspiciously. There are smart cars today. 
I would not make it at a toastmasters meeting myself. It's why I'm here. It's the only place that'll have me.
Yeah -- I've never been quite sure of what to do with "suspiciously." I mean, we don't actually say that someone (or some car) is acting "suspectly," do we.
So the car was acting suspiciously, but then both the T-shirt sellers and the mountie were acting on suspicion and were suspicious of the car, so were they also acting suspiciously?
Shall I change the OP to "NY car fulsome with explosives presently investigated," skdadl? Just say the word.
Shall I change the OP to "NY car fulsome with explosives presently investigated," skdadl? Just say the word.
You didn't include the word 'verily'
YOU'RE THE WORST MOD EVER. DON'T MAKE ME TURN ON MY CAPS LOCK SO THAT EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET HEARS ME!
I think you mean: "Your the worst mod ever," PB.
If a car is suspect, but no one is yet suspicious, could we say it's suspicable?
By the way, I don't know why everyone is letting the rest of that thread title off the hook.
"Closure of Times Square"???
Why would Times Square need "closure" unless one of its beloved had passed on?
Which, fortunately, did not happen, because the suspect vehicle was left in suspense before more expensive consequences could be experienced.
I'm sure GOD will be along to sort this mess out...
This thread is consuspicuously desuspicable.
Moderator ignites.
No receipt?
S.U.V. in Bombing Attempt Was Sold in Cash Deal
In Canada, we could have nailed the dirty rotten scoundrels on GST/PST/HST/MSG evasion.
Welcome to the century of the car and the century of the car bomb.
Terrorism experts suggest it may have been a probe to detect the NYPD response to a car bomb.
The car was abandoned in the middle of the street with its 4-way flashers on.
Terrorism does not necessarily mean foreign. 
Well that didn't take long.
Failed Times Square bomb plot has Pakistan connection: investigators
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/failed-times-square-bomb-plot-...
Pakistan, huh? The reason for this particular bit of disinformation is clear: The Pentagon wants to mobilize the American public to accept their illegal undeclared war against Pakistan.
Quick action here as apparently an arrest has been made at JFK I believe.
I wonder if it was a probe or just panic that made the perpetrator bolt from the vehicle before detonation.
Terrorism does not necessarily mean foreign.
I think we need to review our sense of what makes terrorists, based on this (and by this I don't mean "this case" but "this trend toward homegrown terrorists"). There's a certain plausibility to the suggestion that if you're a young man or woman watching your uncles beaten at checkpoints and seeing your parents humiliated and your neighbours killed you might grow up and want revenge.
But what's supposed to explain this guy, or a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_Jane]Jihad Jane[/url]? Did the carpet bombing of Pennsylvania drive her to desperate measures?? And what about this guy? The U.S. didn't invade Pakistan.
Seems that the would-be mass murderer got caught just in a nick of time as his flight was literally about to take off for Dubai. Hopefully he will be grilled and will give the names of all his co-conspirators and they can all be arrested as well. I'm sure that when they ransack his house in Connecticut - there will be all kinds juicy evidence as well.
Do you think he was just an individual with an axe to grind who acted totally alone - or do you think he was part of a larger conspiracy? I guess we'll find out soon enough. Meanwhile its a good thing this fiend was foiled and that hundreds of lives were saved.
And I'm flying to New York tomorrow evening. We were just gonna spend some time at my brother-in-law's place but now we're gonna try to get some tickets to a broadway show, maybe do some shopping in Times Square. It would be a real tragedy if people stayed away out of fear. Lets not let them win.
Curses foiled again! (I'm trying to picture the reaction of the mastermind of the bombing attempt upon hearing that the bomb was successfully defused)
"And I would have got away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling street vendors!"
I seem to recall one or another article about this bomb somehow connecting the construction of the bomb with that attempt, a few years back, to drive a car bomb up to an airport in Scotland (?) and detonate it, that resulted in Mr. Terrorist setting his own stupid self on fire. If we're dealing with the same criminal geniuses here then buddy is actually lucky he's even alive.
Huh?
Pakistan, huh? The reason for this particular bit of disinformation is clear: The Pentagon wants to mobilize the American public to accept their illegal undeclared war against Pakistan.
Seems that the would-be mass murderer got caught just in a nick of time as his flight was literally about to take off for Dubai.
Ah, no worries then. [url=http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/dubai-assassination-has-hallmar... heading for Dubai[/url] are on our side!
Hopefully he will be grilled and will give the names of all his co-conspirators and they can all be arrested as well.
If a teeny bit of torture could reveal all those names, would that be the kind of "grilling" you're hoping for? Or just really sneaky questions repeated over and over and over again?
I'm sure that when they ransack his house in Connecticut - there will be all kinds juicy evidence as well.
Given the expertise of the attempted bomb attack, you're probably correct.
Do you think he was just an individual with an axe to grind who acted totally alone - or do you think he was part of a larger conspiracy?
I personally think he was acting with four (4) others in two (2) foreign countries. Any other views?
Meanwhile its a good thing this fiend was foiled and that hundreds of lives were saved.
Glory Hallelujah. National holiday, anyone?
They caught this sucker just in time.
Suspect Was Citizen for Just a Year
...upon hearing that the bomb was successfully defused)
Ummmmmmmmm...from all the reports I heard, it was never "fused" in the first place, for it to be 'defused' in the second place.
There was smoke pouring from the car - I think that were it not for that sharp-eyed street vendor, eventually something would have ignited and hundreds would have died
I think "dufused" does not hold the same meaning to you as it would a bomb squad member.
The car contained three propane tanks, fireworks, two five gallon gasoline containers, two clocks with batteries, electrical wires and a 4ft by 2ft metal box.
Any terrorist group that claimed responsibility for this device would likely be shunned by villains everywhere. This was no Oklahoma City.
I would guess the lethal blast radius would be no larger than 30 meters if denotation had of occurred.
If you've ever seen how crowded Times Square is on a Saturday night - a 30 meter radius would be enough to kill hundreds.
They have a second one of in custody now.
30-year-old Pakistani American Charged with Terrorism in Failed NY Bombing
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/usa/US-Suspect-Admits-Role-in-NY-Bo...
Great. Faisal Shahzad was on the no-fly list yet got on the plane.
Curses foiled again! (I'm trying to picture the reaction of the mastermind of the bombing attempt upon hearing that the bomb was successfully defused)
Just like the December 25, 2009 "Panty Bomber" incident, the Pentagon didn't need any bomb(s) to go off and people to be injured and killed and property damaged and destroyed to achieve its objective: To keep people scared so that in the interest of 'security' they will give up more of their liberty and continue to support these immoral and illegal War on Terror, Afghan war, Iraq war, undeclared, illegal war/pilotless drone strike acts of terror against (95% of the victims) innocent Pakistani civilians, etc.
Imagine if on September 10, 2001 we learned that a bunch of guys with boxcutters had been arrested and had this "absurd, amateurish scheme" to hijack planes and fly them into buildings - we'd all think it was sooo FUNNY - oh yeah, except they actually did it and 3,000 people died.
Its easy to just dismiss this attempted mass murder - but there have been enough mass murders by terrorists in London and Madrid etc... to know that its nothing to laugh at.
Meanwhile, the system seems to have worked - good police work foiled the mass murder and apprehedned the culprit. The guy is apparently telling the authorities everything and hopefully more culprits can be arrested. Maybe they can put the guy in a cage in Times Square so that the New Yorkers he tried to kill can all yell obscenities, throw rotten fruit at him.
Its funny how crackpots on the extreme right and left will believe the most absurd conspiracy theories. Just today Bush's emergency preparedness guy who screwed up the response to Hurricane Katrina was say that he thought that the Obama administration had purposely caused the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico to give them an excuse to stop off-shore drilling and give in to the environmentalist lobby!
Meanwhile, the system seems to have worked - good police work foiled the mass murder and apprehedned the culprit. The guy is apparently telling the authorities everything and hopefully more culprits can be arrested. Maybe they can put the guy in a cage in Times Square so that the New Yorkers he tried to kill can all yell obscenities, throw rotten fruit at him.
OMFG. Your joking, right? Let's bring back "justice" from the Middle Ages. What next: Televised public executions held in Times Square as a spectator sport for so called "terrorists"? What would be the preferred method of execution - the guillotine or death by slow hanging?
App. 3,000 people died in 9/11. I've read credible reports of between 12,000 - 36,000 Afghanis have been killed in the war so far - people (and a country) THAT HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. WHERE'S THE JUSTICE AND "PROPORTIONALITY" IN THAT?
Is it just me or is there anyone else who sees the "3,000 people died in 9/11" argument as a racist bullshit rationalization for the Afghan war?
You're the only one talking about Afghanistan. I said that 3,000 people were murdered on 9/11 (not to mention hundreds of people in Madrid and London) and that is an example of why we shouldn't dismiss failed terrorist attacks like the one in NYC this weekend or make absurd conspiracy theories that they were staged by the CIA. It was a stroke of luck that hundreds of people weren't incinerated on Sat. Sometimes we aren't so lucky and people die.
I for one am glad that this attempted mass murder was foiled - but I realize that I can't speak for everyone.
"OMFG. Your joking, right? Let's bring back "justice" from the Middle Ages. What next: Televised public executions held in Times Square as a spectator sport for so called "terrorists"?"
I'm afraid if you want to bring back "justice" from the Middle Ages, you'll have to restore Taliban to power in Afghanistan or travel to Saudi Arabia.
I don't believe in the death penalty or torture - but public humiliation and ridicule might be a good deterrent to other would-be mass murderers.
Meanwhile, the system seems to have worked - good police work foiled the mass murder and apprehedned the culprit. The guy is apparently telling the authorities everything and hopefully more culprits can be arrested. Maybe they can put the guy in a cage in Times Square so that the New Yorkers he tried to kill can all yell obscenities, throw rotten fruit at him.
Actually no, the car bomb was discovered by a former Vietnam vet turned street vendor, and the report phoned in by his homeless assistant. So, a gazzillion gadgets, security cameras, a the huge Times Square security details did sweet fuck all. The only thing more hapless than these would be bombers and their bomb that would not go off, was the massively expensive security system that failed to detect it.
As for the "culprits". the American justice system is so tainted now by corrupt procedures that we will likely never know who was responsible for the "lemon bomb".
Imagine if on September 10, 2001 we learned that a bunch of guys with boxcutters had been arrested and had this "absurd, amateurish scheme" to hijack planes and fly them into buildings - we'd all think it was sooo FUNNY - oh yeah, except they actually did it and 3,000 people died.
Imagine that a [url=http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/]US patriot named Sibel Edmonds[/url] tried her darndest to warn the crazy George administration several months earlier, in April of 2001, that Osama bin Laden and "al-Qaeda" were planning to do suicide missions in the US and that key terrorists were already in the country. And then after the modern day Gleiwitz incident is pulled off, crazy George and now Obama's cosmetic feds repeatedly invoke state secrets privilege - not for reasons of national security - but to shut her up from exposing the ongoing criminal activity.
Is that the best you can do - I'm disappointed.
I guess its a sad day for supporters of terrorism. They were all set to dance a jig of joy over hundreds of innocent civilians dying - and instead that vendor and the NYC police had to be party poopers and ruin their fun - to add insult ti injury instead of being a noble "martyr" to the cause - the guy is apparently singing like a canary and scads of accomplices will be rounded up in no time.
Trolling for loyalty oaths now are we?
Yes, according to Sibel Edmonds, certain politicians in Washington have been very friendly with Pakistan's elites and members of the ISI, and especially Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed in the early 1990s, and as well as in the months and weeks leading up to 9/11. She says there were US military nuclear weapons secrets passed to the Pakistani ISI who were using Turkish lobby groups as a front for the handovers. And she says that a number of mid level and high ranking "Al-Qaeda" agents of 9/11 chaos were never arrested and still roaming freely inside the country.
You're the only one talking about Afghanistan. I said that 3,000 people were murdered on 9/11 (not to mention hundreds of people in Madrid and London) and that is an example of why we shouldn't dismiss failed terrorist attacks like the one in NYC this weekend or make absurd conspiracy theories that they were staged by the CIA. It was a stroke of luck that hundreds of people weren't incinerated on Sat. Sometimes we aren't so lucky and people die.
You wail and bemoan about the innocent people who died in New York City, Washington, D.C., in a field in Pennsylvania, in Madrid, Spain and London, England as a result of illegal acts of terrorism and yet you make no mention of the innocent people who have been murdered and who are continuing to be murdered by our illegal acts of terrorism, often referred to by our governments as our "mission" in Afghanistan?
Goddamn right I mention Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Don't you see how your failure to do so betrays an ethical blindness and ethnocentricity (polite word for racism)?
... instead of being a noble "martyr" to the cause - the guy is apparently singing like a canary and scads of accomplices will be rounded up in no time.
That doesn't scream to you that the Pentagon subcontracted out, made this guy a low level employee and put him on the 'company' payroll?
The guy's singing like a canary.
How convienient.
Just like the "Panty Bomber", this thing's got the Pentagon's signature all over it.