Finchley & Golders Green has finally reported and is back in Conservative hands!
Good to see this happen during Margaret Thatcher's lifetime. She deserved to see this.
She deserved to be listed next Augusto Pinochet in a docket.
UK Election Thread, The M.P. Who Shagged Me
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:01
#102
Cueball
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:02
#103
The big news of the night is how the pollsters seem to have got it all wrong. The impression was that the Lib Dems was going to make substantial seat gains and increase their share of the popular vote. The Lib Dems have already lost 7 seats and their popular vote share is not much more than the 22.1% they achieved in 2005. Big surprise.
Perhaps this will give the NDP some caution about predicting big gains for the next election?
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:04
#104
BBC political editor Nick Robinson is predicting that David Cameron is the most likely person to become the next PM, but this cannot happen until Gordon Brown decides whether he can get a majority in the House.
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:08
#105
Labour loses another seat to the Conservatives as a result of the Expenses scandal, this one in Harrow East. Another London seat for the Cons.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/constituency/c04.stm
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:11
#106
BBC and big media is trying to frame that gordon brown cant be prime minister just like stephanie dion cant be prime minister.
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:17
#107
Jacqui Smith, another Labour MP in the Expenses scandal was resoundingly defeated in Redditch. She charged her husband's porn videos to the public tab.
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:20
#108
The Liberal Democrats have just picked up 2 seats - some good news for them for a change.
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:21
#109
BBC and big media is trying to frame that gordon brown cant be prime minister just like stephanie dion cant be prime minister.
That's not what they are doing at all. They explained very clearly that Gordon Brown is still Prime Minister and that he has the right to try and form a majority in the House if he can, but that if not, David Cameron will have the right to do so.
They are pointing out that Cameron has the largest number of votes and seats, and that those are two strong factors in his favour.
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:23
#110
BBC and big media is trying to frame that gordon brown cant be prime minister just like stephanie dion cant be prime minister.
That's not what they are doing at all. They explained very clearly that Gordon Brown is still Prime Minister and that he has the right to try and form a majority in the House if he can, but that if not, David Cameron will have the right to do so.
They are pointing out that Cameron has the largest number of votes and seats, and that those are two strong factors in his favour.
bbc keeps repeating david cameron and prime minister in the same sentence, they also say its hard for gordon brown to argue staying as a prime minister with a loss of 2 million votes. they are trying to frame the debate and wage a media campaign against the idea of a coalition govenrment as being NOT LEGIT.
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:23
#111
BBC reporting that Glenda Jackson's margin over the Tories was less than 70 votes, so the ballots are being re-counted
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:29
#112
Cueball
BBC and big media is trying to frame that gordon brown cant be prime minister just like stephanie dion cant be prime minister.
That's not what they are doing at all. They explained very clearly that Gordon Brown is still Prime Minister and that he has the right to try and form a majority in the House if he can, but that if not, David Cameron will have the right to do so.
I am glad that the nuances of the way the parliamentary system is supposed to work have sunken in. Of course to Europeans this is well known, so there is no way that anyone would even consider trying to foist that crap on the British the way that Stephen Harper did here in Canada a few years back.
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:37
#113
the conservative say the country would not be happy with gordon brown coalition government , that anything like this would represent a
machiavellian scheme.
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:40
#114
i`ve been watchiing this election on bbc for 12 hours and i dont know why. lol. yawn
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:42
#115
Cueball
Relax.
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:44
#116
Currently Conservatives 285, Labour + LibDem 284
Fri, 2010-05-07 02:56
#117
Finchley & Golders Green has finally reported and is back in Conservative hands!
Good to see this happen during Margaret Thatcher's lifetime. She deserved to see this.
Though a qualified "back in Conservative hands", because notionally, thanks to redistribution, it's actually a Tory *hold*.
Conversely, Solihull, a 2005 LD gain, was redistributed into a notionally Tory seat, and LD "regained" it...
Fri, 2010-05-07 03:10
#118
The smart thing to do might be to let the Conservatives govern. Then they'll have to wear all the cuts to come and they can face a no-confidence vote at the opportune time.
Fri, 2010-05-07 03:15
#119
Libdem plus Labour leading in total seats 288 against Cameron party 286
Fri, 2010-05-07 03:34
#120
Libdem plus Labour leading in total seats 288 against Cameron party 286
291-287 now
Fri, 2010-05-07 03:37
#121
Glenda Jackson wins a 42 vote victory for Labour in a three way race
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/constituency/b99.stm
Fri, 2010-05-07 03:39
#122
This parliament is going to be balanced upon a razor's edge.
A PM needs the support of 326 MPs to command the confidence of the house of commons, but with 4 or 5 abstensionist Sinn Fein MPs from N. Ireland, a budget or speech could probably pass with 323 or 324 votes
The Conservatives are projected to win 305 seats, and could probably manage to garner the support of the unionists: 8 from the DUP and 1 Independent - a total of 314. Not enough for a majority.
Labour is projected to win 261 seats, and have a natural coalition partner in the Liberal Democrats, who are projected to win 56 - a total of 315 seats. Not enough for a majority.
So now smaller parties come into play. Add the Scottish Nationalists: They have 6 seats not enough to put either side over the line (320 with Cons and Unionists or 321 with Lab and LD). Add either Wales' Plaid Cymru or the soft nationalist N.Ireland SDLP who have 3 seats each and either side would have 323 to 324. Maybe enough for a majority ... of one.
So one of a few scenarios are going to come to pass -
1) Four, possibly five parties get together to make a deal to keep one side in power. That couldn't possibly hold together long if it formed at all.
2) The Lib Dems and Conservatives, or Labour and Conservatives get together to make a deal. Unlikely, but not impossible considering the alternatives.
3) There is another election in something on the scale of weeks or months. Possible (and horrifying).
4) We either see a situation like in Canada, where the Conservatives govern vote-by-vote, with implicit Labour or Lib Dem support built through abstentions, as they lick their wounds, and in the case of the former, select another leader. Most probable in my mind.
Fri, 2010-05-07 03:46
#123
Finchley & Golders Green has finally reported and is back in Conservative hands!
Good to see this happen during Margaret Thatcher's lifetime. She deserved to see this.
The memory of Maggie Thatcher has a lot to do with the Conservatives inability to win a majority.
After Thatcher, a lot of people will never vote Conservative.
Fri, 2010-05-07 03:52
#124
Libdem plus Labour leading in total seats 288 against Cameron party 286
291-287 now
292 - 287
Lib/Lab up by 5
Neither side can govern.
Fri, 2010-05-07 03:53
#125
Libdem plus Labour leading in total seats 288 against Cameron party 286
291-287 now
294 - 288
Lib/Lab up by 6
Lib/Lab has 52% of the vote - a clear majority.
Fri, 2010-05-07 04:00
#126
If Cameron wants the keys to 10 Downing Street he should agree to a referendum on electoral reform.
That would put the LibDems onside. The LibDems should agree to nothing less.
Fri, 2010-05-07 04:03
#127
Finchley & Golders Green has finally reported and is back in Conservative hands!
Good to see this happen during Margaret Thatcher's lifetime. She deserved to see this.
The memory of Maggie Thatcher has a lot to do with the Conservatives inability to win a majority.
After Thatcher, a lot of people will never vote Conservative.
Nonsense.
Thatcher is the most popular Prime Minister of the last century. She recently came #1 in a poll of UK voters' favourite PM.
If the current Conservative Party were to be more like Margaret Thatcher, they would have won a majority.
Fri, 2010-05-07 04:04
#128
Historian Simon Schama says he expects a Conservative government with Lib Dem support.
Fri, 2010-05-07 04:06
#129
N.Beltov
lol. Thatcher is the supporter of fascists like the late Augusto Pinochet. From the results, there are only 500,000 fascists/BNP in the UK. Try again.
Fri, 2010-05-07 04:21
#130
You know, both sides of this argument are fatuous--directly equating Thatcherism to BNP-style fascism on the one hand, while denying that Thatcher turned a lot of people off Toryism for good on the other (in the latter case...well, technically, compare Tory results in Scotland and the North today vs three decades ago; it's a little like the fate of the Conservatives in the 416)
Fri, 2010-05-07 04:25
#131
Try what again?
Thatcher won 3 back to back majorities from UK voters and holds the record as the longest-serving PM of the last century. She also came #1 in a 2008 poll of UK voters' favourite PM:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2008/apr/07/post3
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/themargaretthatcheryears/1584...
http://www.yougov.co.uk/extranets/ygarchives/content/pdf/DT080401thatche...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/the_living_legacy_of_m...
Try to look at this objectively, by putting your own personal dislike of Thatcher aside, otherwise you can't expect to be taken seriously as a political analyst.
Fri, 2010-05-07 04:31
#132
If Cameron wants the keys to 10 Downing Street he should agree to a referendum on electoral reform.
That would put the LibDems onside. The LibDems should agree to nothing less.
The Cons will never agree to that, how would they be able to win the NEXT election?
Fri, 2010-05-07 04:41
#133
Try what again?
Thatcher won 3 back to back majorities from UK voters and holds the record as the longest-serving PM of the last century. She also came #1 in a 2008 poll of UK voters' favourite PM:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2008/apr/07/post3
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/themargaretthatcheryears/1584...
http://www.yougov.co.uk/extranets/ygarchives/content/pdf/DT080401thatche...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/the_living_legacy_of_m...
Try to look at this objectively, by putting your own personal dislike of Thatcher aside, otherwise you can't expect to be taken seriously as a political analyst.
These polls show that Thatcher is very popular with the 35% of the population that support the Tories. But among the rest of the population, Thatcher is not popular. Whole sections of the UK are political wastelands for the Conservatives thanks to Thatcher's legacy.
Fri, 2010-05-07 05:14
#134
There is only one potential stable majority available. That is a combination of the Conservatives and the Lib Dems.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2010/05/one_potential_s.html
Fri, 2010-05-07 05:43
#135
This parliament is going to be balanced upon a razor's edge.
A PM needs the support of 326 MPs to command the confidence of the house of commons, but with 4 or 5 abstensionist Sinn Fein MPs from N. Ireland, a budget or speech could probably pass with 323 or 324 votes
The Conservatives are projected to win 305 seats, and could probably manage to garner the support of the unionists: 8 from the DUP and 1 Independent - a total of 314. Not enough for a majority.
Labour is projected to win 261 seats, and have a natural coalition partner in the Liberal Democrats, who are projected to win 56 - a total of 315 seats. Not enough for a majority.
So now smaller parties come into play. Add the Scottish Nationalists: They have 6 seats not enough to put either side over the line (320 with Cons and Unionists or 321 with Lab and LD). Add either Wales' Plaid Cymru or the soft nationalist N.Ireland SDLP who have 3 seats each and either side would have 323 to 324. Maybe enough for a majority ... of one.
Don't forget the one Green MP
Fri, 2010-05-07 05:59
#136
nicky said no to coalition with Brown, he wants to give a chance for cameron to be pm..
yawn
bed time. i dont care anymore.
Fri, 2010-05-07 06:03
#137
BREAKING NEWS
Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg says he sticks to his view that the party with most votes and seats - the Conservatives - should seek to form a government.
Fri, 2010-05-07 06:09
#138
For those who are interested, George Galloway was defeated by a Labour MP.
Fri, 2010-05-07 06:11
#139
Labour loses Brent Central to the Lib Dems
Fri, 2010-05-07 07:05
#140
Maysie
Closing for length, please continue in a new thread.
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