Detroit Pigs Murder 7 Year-Old Girl

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Mon, 2010-05-17 07:00

E.Tamaran

Police in Detroit, Michigan, on Sunday expressed "profound sorrow" at the fatal shooting of a 7-year-old girl in a police raid.

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Aiyana Jones was shot and killed by police executing a search warrant as part of a homicide investigation, Assistant Chief Ralph Godbee said in a statement.
"This is any parent's worst nightmare," Godbee said. "It also is any police officer's worst nightmare. And today, it is all too real."

The warrant was executed about 12:40 a.m. ET Sunday at a home on the city's east side, Godbee said. Authorities believed the suspect in the Friday shooting death of 17-year-old high school student Jarean Blake was hiding out at the home. Blake was gunned down in front of a store as his girlfriend watched, Godbee said.
Preliminary information indicates that members of the Detroit Police Special Response Team approached the house and announced themselves as police, Godbee said, citing the officers and at least one independent witness.
"As is common in these types of situations, the officers deployed a distractionary device commonly known as a flash bang," he said in the statement. "The purpose of the device is to temporarily disorient occupants of the house to make it easier for officers to safely gain control of anyone inside and secure the premise."
Upon entering the home, the officer encountered a 46-year-old female inside the front room, Godbee said. "Exactly what happened next is a matter still under investigation, but it appears the officer and the woman had some level of physical contact.
"At about this time, the officer's weapon discharged one round which, tragically, struck 7-year-old Aiyana Stanley Jones in the neck/head area."
The girl was immediately transported to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead. Godbee said he and other officers went to the hospital while others stayed at the home to execute the warrant.
Aiyana's father, Charles Jones, told CNN affiliate WDIV, "She was sleeping and they came in the door shooting and throwing flash grenades ... burned my baby up and shot her, killed her."
Jones claimed the officers had the wrong house, but Godbee said in the statement the 34-year-old suspect in Blake's death was found and arrested at the home. In addition, a vehicle and a moped matching the descriptions of those involved in Blake's shooting were also found, he said.

The suspect's name was not released.

Godbee said he wished to "express to the family of Aiyana Jones the profound sorrow that we feel within the Detroit Police Department and throughout this community. We know that no words can do anything to take away the pain you are feeling at this time."
Police obtained the "high-risk search warrant" based on intelligence, and it was approved by the prosecutor and a magistrate, Godbee said. "Because of the ruthless and violent nature of the suspect in this case, it was determined that it would be in the best interest of public safety to execute the search warrant as soon as possible and detain the suspect ... while we sought a murder warrant," he said.
The police statement said Chief Warren Evans is out of town and could not be present "to personally address this tragedy," but "his thoughts and prayers are with the family and loved ones of Aiyana Jones."
The officer's weapon was secured, and an investigation is under way, Godbee said, emphasizing the information gained so far is preliminary.

"This is a tragedy of unspeakable magnitude to Aiyana's parents, family and all those who loved her," Godbee said. "... It is a tragedy we also feel very deeply throughout the ranks of the Detroit Police Department.
"We cannot undo what occurred this morning," he said. "All we can do is pledge an open and full investigation and to support Aiyana's family in whatever way they may be willing to accept from us at this time. I understand that they may not be open to such a gesture at this time, but we do stand ready to do anything we can to support them."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/16/michigan.police.child/index.html?ere...

Sun, 2010-05-16 20:35

Cueball

Used to be that the police would ask for entry and present the warrant to the occupant in order to get entry. Now instead of knocking, it's "flash-bang": home invasion. Having disoriented the occupants and what happens? They resist the sudden attack. What exactly do you expect.

Sun, 2010-05-16 22:10

Ratbert

Used to be SWAT units and body armour were not required to exercise a warrant but times have changed.The police obviously expect murder suspects to react violently. Since two vehicles allegedly used to murder the youth were discovered outside the subject residence, the caution used by police is warranted.

I suppose it is too much to expect the criminal element to hide somewhere that does not put children at risk.

Sun, 2010-05-16 22:11

mahmud

"... It is a tragedy we also feel very deeply throughout the ranks of the Detroit Police Department. "

What a load of crap!

Sun, 2010-05-16 22:48

Cueball

Ratbert wrote:

Used to be SWAT units and body armour were not required to exercise a warrant but times have changed.The police obviously expect murder suspects to react violently. Since two vehicles allegedly used to murder the youth were discovered outside the subject residence, the caution used by police is warranted.

I suppose it is too much to expect the criminal element to hide somewhere that does not put children at risk.

Idiotic. You are such a toady.

Of course its just too much to ask for the police force not to turn every residential neighborhood into a free first zone, and wipe out the innocent. With the building surounded where was the suspect supposed to run too?

Bizarre that you would assert that this home invasion had something to do with caution.What exactly is the result of this "caution". Were innocent lives protected? If due caution was used, then one 7 year old might not be dead.

First and foremost the job of the police is to clear the area of bystanders, not engage in urban warfare.

Sun, 2010-05-16 23:17

Bubbles

Would the world be a better place without police? Any suggestions how we would/ could get there?

Sun, 2010-05-16 23:45

Cueball

Sure. There are other way to look at policing, but this is an issue of police procedure.

Whatever happened to: "We have the building surrounded, come out with your hands up," or even quitely waiting for the suspect or any bystanders to leave the building before taking immediate and drastic action. The idea that this method is an intrinsic outcome of a necessary police procedure is false.

The method here, could have been more along the lines of one used in hostage taking, for example. We will never know if the suspect would have let the family leave, or if the suspect might very well have surrendered of his own volition.

We do know this girl is dead.

Sun, 2010-05-16 23:47

Bubbles

Cueball, I did not have any problem with your posts. I agree with you that their tactics are counter productive. My problem is more with Tamarans tendency to refer to the police as "pigs" I see it as regresive and counter productive. How many good and honest police officers do we lose because of that?

Sun, 2010-05-16 23:54

Cueball

That is a pretty small objection to make in the face of the irresponsible manslaughter of a 7 year old girl.

You don't have to have good and honest police in order to have good police procedure. That is the point of having good procedures and protocols. It is irrelevant if the people are good, or nice, or friendly, if they know that they will lose their jobs if they break the rules of procedure, and possibly, in cases such as this, charged with manslaughter.

Mon, 2010-05-17 00:14

#10

Bubbles

Well if you can write bullet proof procedures, that would be good, but I have never come across them yet that a clever unscrupolous person could not get around. My opinion is that an honest , socialy well adjusted intelligent person is more likely to use good procedures by default.

Mon, 2010-05-17 00:30

#11

Cueball

Not really. Honest people make mistakes. That is why you have good procedures.

Mon, 2010-05-17 00:44

#12

Bubbles

You mean like safety guards protect you from injury when you make a mistake?

Mon, 2010-05-17 00:45

#13

Cueball

No. Like rules. For example, the police must make absolutely sure that no bystanders are in a building, or apartment, before entering the building with weapons drawn.

Mon, 2010-05-17 00:58

#14

Bubbles

Because rules and people do not mix very well, we need the police, who have their own rules policed by public opinion. Would that have saved the girl?

I will sleep on that.

Mon, 2010-05-17 01:04

#15

Cueball

She most certainly would have lived longer.

Mon, 2010-05-17 06:58

#16

Stargazer

The police are for the most part power hungry poor bashing racists. Sorry if that doesn't jive with your world view on the police but it does jive for those of us who have been on the receiving end of their brutal nastiness.

Mon, 2010-05-17 08:28

#17

Caissa

I, too, am tired of the sophmoric replacement of the phrase "police officer" with the epithet 'pigs".

Mon, 2010-05-17 08:48

#18

Cueball

I am tired of wild eyed police officers of dubious moral fiber running around playing out prime time TV cop fantasies in real life, and killing people. Some here have no problem lambasting conservative politicians with far more egregious insults, "pigs" among them, and hardly anyone takes a second look, yet people get squeemish when people let fly at cops who gun down children. What gives? And why so sensitive all of a sudden?

I'll believe you are sincere in your admonishments, the next time you object to someone calling Stephen Harper or any of his minions, liars, con-men, pigs, cheats and thugs. Til then... your complaint just seems bizzarrely out of place, not to mention totally insensitive, in a story that end in the death of 7 year old girl.

I notice you have totally failed to comment on that aspect of this story. You seem more concerned about the abused feelings of some Detroit city police, than a family that has had the heart and soul ripped out of their life.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:04

#19

Caissa

This is an ongoing discussion at Babble, Cueball, as I am sure you are aware.

If you think it best to discuss the use of epithets only in reaction threads, I'll bow to your superior knowledge.

I find the find E. Tamaran's gratuitous use of "pigs" contrasts nicely with the thread on " Animal Rights/Welfare."

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:19

#20

Cueball

I see yes. Once again Babblers zeroing in on matters of form and language use, as opposed to subject topic raised by certain Babblers (notably they usually are not white -- Rexdale Punjabi comes to mind, as does a few others) who challenge status quo institutions of white society, without using the properly "safe" terminology of "polite society".

This is a consistent theme of discussion at Babble, you are quite correct.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:22

#21

Caissa

Form and language are ultimately all we have with which to communicate Cueball.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:25

#22

Cueball

Anything to say about the pigs who shot this 7 year old girl to death? Surely you can form some language together in order to communicate something about that? How about: "too bad"? Or would that be pushing it?

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:28

#23

Slumberjack

Admittedly, I have second guessed from time to time as well the appropriateness of describing cops as pigs. Although pigs can appear quite at home among filth, muck and garbage; once they've been cleaned off and transformed into food, they're quite beneficial to humanity in that they provide sustenance to millions of people around the world. On the other hand, there's little that can be done to wash the stain of police brutality from communities and groups that have become accustomed with being on the receiving end of this sort of attention. Incidents of this nature give rise to a wide range of alternate descriptions though, such as jack booted thugs with badges, state sanctioned assassins, shock troops, henchmen, merciless rogue oppressors, to mention a few.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:29

#24

writer

Detroit. And its famed, sensitive, polite officers.

http://www.67riots.rutgers.edu/d_index.htm

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:37

#25

Bubbles

That there is a problem we seem to all agree on. How do we tackel the problem? As Cueball sugests with more and better rules or by socialy isolating our police officers from the more 'progresive elements' of society and into the influence of the more 'rightwing elements'? In this struggle we need allies, not more oponents.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:38

#26

Caissa

Cueball wrote: Anything to say about the pigs who shot this 7 year old girl to death?

Caissa responds: I thought this was what we were discussing?

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:43

#27

Cueball

No. You were discussing E. Tamaran and his/her choice of metaphor.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:44

#28

writer

Things like a civilian group consulting with the police about strategy in dealing with rape? Progressive stuff like that?

In Toronto, the polite, lovely police grew bored of just such an arrangement, and ditched it. I guess some like the fiction that police aren't structured with an inherent patriarchal authoritarian bent. They don't need to be influenced by rightwing elements. They *are* rightwing elements.

Go to any demonstration critical of government and get a fast education. Feel the horses' breath on your neck. Think about their hooves.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:45

#29

Caissa

You asked if I had anything to say about that metaphor in post #21? Make up your mind on what you would like to discuss.

The behaviour of the the police officers was negligent in the extreme and the death of a 7 year old girl as a result of the police officers' behaviour is extremely tragic.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:49

#30

mahmud

writer wrote:

Things like a civilian group consulting with the police about strategy in dealing with rape? Progressive stuff like that?

In Toronto, the polite, lovely police grew bored of just such an arrangement, and ditched it. I guess some like the fiction that police aren't structured with an inherent patriarchal authoritarian bent. They don't need to be influenced by rightwing elements. They *are* rightwing elements.

Go to any demonstration critical of government and get a fast education. Feel the horses' breath on your neck. Think about their hooves.

Well said !

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:49

#31

Cueball

Bubbles wrote:

That there is a problem we seem to all agree on. How do we tackel the problem? As Cueball sugests with more and better rules or by socialy isolating our police officers from the more 'progresive elements' of society and into the influence of the more 'rightwing elements'? In this struggle we need allies, not more oponents.

The problem is the rules. The fact is that the rules make it so that the those people who are interested in jack booted thuggery get free reign in the police force. No where else are you so much at liberty to act out your wildest sado-racist fantasies than in the police force, so naturally those who have such inclinations apply in droves. Those who are interested in social work, teaching and community leadership, are not so attracted, since the job offers precious few opportunities to express those ambitions.

The trick is to keep the criminals out of the police force, plain and simple, and the best way to do that is to structure the job so that opportunities for crime are limited.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:51

#32

writer

[url=http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may2000/det-m17.shtml]Detroit leads US in police killings[/url] "The articles have detailed several cases in which police officers killed or severely wounded senior citizens, teenagers and mentally ill persons, and then were exonerated after claiming they had fired in self-defense."

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:52

#33

Maysie

Police culture is a violent, racist, sexist, anti-poor, anti-immigrant, macho patriarchal culture.

Entering it, whatever your social location, is to be trained and taught this culture. Police forces (in Canada) continue to be overwhelmingly white and male. This is one of a few professions that I don't feel are benefitted by any form of employment equity hirings.

In my opinion it's police culture that's the problem. Going further, the existence of armed agents of the state who are given the task to walk among us.

The police have isolated themselves, and we, the populace, have given them our permission. The fact that some folks are shocked when the police break the laws they are paid to uphold, is what continues to amaze me.

The phrase "this happens every day" is neither fiction nor exaggeration. If it doesn't happen to you, your family, your community or people you know, all that speaks to is privilege, which we all have some of. This does, indeed happen every day. And it's wrong, every time ti happens. Nothing will change if all we do is talk about it.

Fear and hatred of the cops doesn't come from talking on a discussion board. It comes from lived realities of daily physical harassment, intimidation, threats and yes, murder, by the cops, who face little to no consequences.

What happened in Detroit is disgraceful and horrific.

It happens every day.

It made the news this time. What about the other times?

P.S. Ratbert, there's a timer on you if you keep up that kind of talk.

Mon, 2010-05-17 09:55

#34

sanizadeh

Caissa wrote:

You asked if I had anything to say about that metaphor in post #21? Make up your mind on what you would like to discuss.

The behaviour of the the police officers was negligent in the extreme and the death of a 7 year old girl as a result of the police officers' behaviour is extremely tragic.

Sure, when a civilian dies it is "extremely tragic", but if the tables were turned and a police officer had been killed, the death would have been called a "horrific crime".

These incidents would continue to happen as long as the life of a police officer is considered more precious than a life of an innocent civilian.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:03

#35

writer

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8H3dwvbAgQ]Every weekend, he took his mom to church.[/url] Dead as a result of polite, lovely, sweet, law-abiding police officers.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:05

#36

Bubbles

Cueball wrote:

I am tired of wild eyed police officers of dubious moral fiber running around playing out prime time TV cop fantasies in real life, and killing people. Some here have no problem lambasting conservative politicians with far more egregious insults, "pigs" among them, and hardly anyone takes a second look, yet people get squeemish when people let fly at cops who gun down children. What gives? And why so sensitive all of a sudden?

I'll believe you are sincere in your admonishments, the next time you object to someone calling Stephen Harper or any of his minions, liars, con-men, pigs, cheats and thugs. Til then... your complaint just seems bizzarrely out of place, not to mention totally insensitive, in a story that end in the death of 7 year old girl.

I notice you have totally failed to comment on that aspect of this story. You seem more concerned about the abused feelings of some Detroit city police, than a family that has had the heart and soul ripped out of their life.

Lambasting politicians is different then lambasting the police. With politicians we have alternatives that we can try to get elected. What are the alternatives to a police force?

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:06

#37

Caissa

This posting from Cueball at 4:03 yesterday in the Atwood thread seems applicable to the language debate.

Cueball wrote:

Who cares? She has a right to make side comments about form. You are free to ignore them, and enter in on the subject topic. But it seems you would rather also make side comments about form.

Myself, I recognize that the board has certain standards that many people want to see applied on this board, and that includes not using terms and invective that are problematic for some people. I am far more interested in communicating what I want to communicate and can always find handles that are more acceptable to the group at large, and have no need to defend usages of certain terms of phrases on the grounds of freedom of speech or semantics and what have you, when using them has so little value, and when a defense of them amounts to massive irrelevant thread drift.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:07

#38

Maysie

Quote:
there is no justice. not for aiyana stanley jones.

there is punishment, and perhaps accountability. someone to point towards, many people, a trail of blame, stories, mistakes and tears.

but there is no justice.

i'm just home from a vigil for aiyana. i don't like to go to these things because they make me feel too raw and hopeless. my partner, however, knew that we had to go and make sure aiyana's story was told. so here it is: she was alive yesterday, 7 years old. she went to bed on a couch in a first floor room with her grandmother last night. in the wee hours of the morning, cops raided her house. a man outside the house shouted that there were kids inside. a man on the second floor of the house was a suspect in the murder of a 17-year-old last Friday.

the police threw a "flash bang" through the front window. it blinded everyone inside; it lit aiyana on fire.

the news reported a tussle with the grandmother, during which the firearm discharged. everyone in the family says there was no tussle, that the grandmother was throwing herself over the baby when aiyana was shot in the head.

what do you call the blinded, terrified groping of a grandmother who knows her grandchildren are in the room, blasted from safety and sleep into chaos and danger, whose granddaughter is on fire? how do you comfort a man like aiyana's father, which was forced to lie face down in his daughter's blood by the same police officers who killed her?

....

every thread i pick up in the story leads to more impossible questions.

why are police officers legally able to use military tactics on a house with children in it on a sunday morning…or any morning, on any house, with anyone in it?

why do the grieving faces of people on this street look so unsurprised?

and when 17-year-old Jerean Blake was killed Friday, wasn’t that equally devastating? did we do enough as a community at that moment?

do we know how to keep our children safe?

can we admit that we don’t know anything about how to be the kind of society where this could never happen?

to step back from the immediate events is to see what happens in communities who internalize the corporate military worldview that some people are expendable. the way we function as an economy that places profit first is that it’s normal for people in uniform to throw bombs into the home of civilians and shoot children.

an economy that valued people first could never justify those tactics.

Blog: Adrienne Maree The Luscious Satyagraha.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:10

#39

Slumberjack

Bubbles wrote:
....with more and better rules or by socialy isolating our police officers from the more 'progresive elements' of society and into the influence of the more 'rightwing elements'? In this struggle we need allies, not more oponents.

They're already socially isolated from vast swaths of the population, and firmly under influences that continue to rely upon the police to subjugate them. A solution isn't to be found in petitioning assaulters, murderers and accomplice supporters to exercise a modicum of restraint and sympathy for the plight of their victims, but in aligning as allies alongside the victims in visceral condemnation of these commonplace practices, and the wretched system which produces and shields itself from the consequences of their ruthless decisions. These protection rackets serve only their powerful masters.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:10

#40

Cueball

sanizadeh wrote:

Caissa wrote:

You asked if I had anything to say about that metaphor in post #21? Make up your mind on what you would like to discuss.

The behaviour of the the police officers was negligent in the extreme and the death of a 7 year old girl as a result of the police officers' behaviour is extremely tragic.

Sure, when a civilian dies it is "extremely tragic", but if the tables were turned and a police officer had been killed, the death would have been called a "horrific crime".

These incidents would continue to happen as long as the life of a police officer is considered more precious than a life of an innocent civilian.

Speaking of hidden assumptions, I really wanted to use the term "civilian" to describe the victim as well. In the past I think we used to express these opposites by calling ordinary people citizens. But now we want to call them "civilians". Maybe this indicates something about the militarization of our police forces, and the demotion of the general public from "citizen" to "civilian" status.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:13

#41

writer

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udNxTUooJpg]Whoopsie! Caught on tape[/url] Officers uphold order for the sake of us all by beating man ejected from van, lying prone and unconscious. Cops spend a year getting off on video before it is discovered by unfriendlies. Even MSNBC news anchors shocked by what this tape reveals about the force.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:24

#42

j.m.

Bubbles wrote:

Lambasting politicians is different then lambasting the police. With politicians we have alternatives that we can try to get elected. What are the alternatives to a police force?

The police is a technology of the state that protects this apparatus. Replacing politicians with other politicians does nothing to change this structure, per se. I don't know why you would want to naturalize the police force by insinuating there are no alternatives to it. Further, why should we aim for the near-impossible goal of wrestling this force away from the state?

@sanizadeh Happy belated peace officer memorial day, May 15. It should be no question whose lives are more valuable. They will be more remembered than the sleeping 7 year old girl shot in the neck.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:24

#43

sanizadeh

Bubbles wrote:

Lambasting politicians is different then lambasting the police. With politicians we have alternatives that we can try to get elected. What are the alternatives to a police force?

As Cueball said, the issue is about how a police force operates, not the existence of a police force.

The main problem is that such cases often end in a settlement between victim's families and the police force, but little individual reprimend to the officers involved. The trial related to Amadou Diallo's killing had a deep impact on me personally. Morally, the only true justice the killers should have got in that case would have been 41 bullets "accidentally discharged" to their bodies. But no surprise, they walked free.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:28

#44

sanizadeh

j.m. wrote:

Happy belated peace officer memorial day, May 15. It should be no question whose lives are more valuable. They will be more remembered than the sleeping 7 year old girl shot in the neck.

Not if "an eye for an eye, a life for a life" law is brought back.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:43

#45

Slumberjack

sanizadeh wrote:
Not if "an eye for an eye, a life for a life" law is brought back.

All that does is pit the most violent extremists of one side against the other, and when they're done with that and one side emerges in victory, who can say if the violence would end there. The beneficiaries would most likely have to be mindful of what they do or say at that juncture.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:45

#46

j.m.

sanizadeh wrote:

j.m. wrote:

Happy belated peace officer memorial day, May 15. It should be no question whose lives are more valuable. They will be more remembered than the sleeping 7 year old girl shot in the neck.

Not if "an eye for an eye, a life for a life" law is brought back.

Well, if it were then the state and much of society would be mourning the loss of "that heroic police officer killed in the line of duty*" and only those following the story close enough, and those affected directly by it, would know that the damn asterisk meant he was killed for shooting a sleeping 7 year old in the neck.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:47

#47

sanizadeh

Slumberjack wrote:

sanizadeh wrote:
Not if "an eye for an eye, a life for a life" law is brought back.

All that does is pit the most violent extremists of one side against the other, and when they're done with that and one side emerges in victory, who can say if the violence would end there. The beneficiaries would most likely have to be mindful of what they do or say at that juncture.

I did not say wanton killing outside the scope of law.

Mon, 2010-05-17 10:52

#48

Cueball

Capital punishment is just a bad idea.

Mon, 2010-05-17 11:13

#49

Cueball

Quote:
"This is a tragedy of unspeakable magnitude to Aiyana's parents, family and all those who loved her," Godbee said. "We cannot undo what occurred this morning. All we can do is to pledge an open and full investigation, and to support Aiyana's family in whatever way."

Later, he told the Free Press: "We have executed countless high-risk warrants where children have been present.

"This was a perfect storm for tragedy."

Full Details, and link to earlier story regarding the original homocide. The victims aunt was the fiance of the suspect in that investigation.

Mon, 2010-05-17 11:17

#50

Tommy_Paine

On the language issue, I think it is bad practice to dehumanize anyone by comparing them to animals-- recognizing that I am as guilty as anyone else who has done it. We all have something that will push us over the top at one time or another.

And, if the shooting of a 7 year old isn't one of those times....

Mayzie is right about the culture of police. And, we can think that the nature of the job might attract those with a fascist bent-- and it surely does-- it also attracts people who want to make a positive difference in the community. It's telling that the fascists seem to win out in the North American police culture.

And, as appologists for police will inevitably point out, it's a tough job, and tragic mistakes are going to happen. And, corruption is going to happen.

And murder is going to happen.

However, the volume of police wrong doing in the U.S. and in Canada is beyond what we might expect through honest human error, or through the inevitable human component of criminal activity one might find in any organization. The volume is high because the police are aided and abetted by our judicial system that backs criminal activities of police officers.

To protect the reputation of the institution of justice.

It's little wonder that an increasing amount of the population views the police as just another violent gang. Because that's exactly what they have become. A state sanctioned murderous gang of thugs.

The kind my father had licence to kill during the 1940's.

My, how times have changed.

Mon, 2010-05-17 11:41

#51

Slumberjack

Tommy_Paine wrote:
On the language issue, I think it is bad practice to dehumanize anyone by comparing them to animals-- recognizing that I am as guilty as anyone else who has done it. We all have something that will push us over the top at one time or another.

One person's 'one time or another' is another's daily existence. The perpetrators dehumanize themselves, and attempt to drag everyone else down to their level, rendering dignity, hope, justice and decency to shreds in the process. Everyone who has had the misfortune of coming into contact with state sanctioned dehumanizers who feel their victims do not merit polite interaction, or simply the right not to have their lives taken at a whim, solely because they are not counted among the favoured elements of society, have the right to describe their tormentors and oppressors in whatever manner they chose. I believe it is bad practice at the very least to judge the terminology used by victims to describe circumstances which we know nothing about, beyond what is observable as bystanders.

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