See Sineed, we just had to give you some time and you would paint us that imaginary.Okay, so for the sake of argument, let's get rid of the police and empower neighbourhood groups to mete out justice. How do you ensure these groups don't abuse their power? How do you keep them accountable?
Well, for starters, you would have to limit pitchfork and torch production... I never said anything about neighbourhood groups; it is you that produced the duality of orderly police to angry tribalism!
To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws.
- Ursula K. Le Guin "The Dispossessed" 1974
Prison Trilogy: Joan Baez: Raze the prisons to the ground 1972
I like that quote. Thanks Maysie.
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Yeah, hey, collective punishment! Awesome. How fucking progressive.
The only collective punishment in this case was that a 7-year old was gunned down because police was looking for his aunt's fiancee; and you are worried that a cop's kid may get his feelings hurt if someone reminds him that his dad is a murderer. Now THAT's fucking progressive! Thanks, I would rather save a life than worrying about hurt feelings.
There are 10's of thousands of neighbourhood watch programs, block parent programs, and community policing initiatives, that aren't out there stringing up the criminals, and battering doors down.
What do they do if they see a crime in progress?
Do they call the police?
Agree timebandit, that above, along with his advocating capital punishment, creates some serious issues, it seems these days we are arguing/slappimg down more ignorant, meaning less than the basics of human decency, and inhumane things, than I have ever seen here in 7 years.
For the record, I support death penalty in one case only, and that's for a justice official (judge,prosecutor or police) who intentionally misuses his/her authority (in a case that causes death or significant harm to innocents).
And too bad if my human decency did not raise to your expected standard.
There are 10's of thousands of neighbourhood watch programs, block parent programs, and community policing initiatives, that aren't out there stringing up the criminals, and battering doors down.What do they do if they see a crime in progress?
Do they call the police?
We all know Mr. Well-to-do Whitey sure does... But if you lived in social housing in Chicago? Or were black in Detroit? Or E. Tamaran?
I remember reading about a serial killer on the rampage in Detroit a number of years ago. All the victims were black and female. I was reminded of it during the Picton trial in B.C. If I remember correctly, the Detroit killer was never caught.
Social housing in Chicago? Wasnt that where they (the police) dropped smoke bombs from a helicopter and set fire to the house (and area) they were trying to get to surrender, killing a bunch?
The way the 'police' do their work is a growing problem, getting to the point of critical if not already there. Someone made a comment about their being too isolated somehow, possibly true... so they should be required to develop themselves through undertaking regular sensitivty training on all sorts of subjects, life long learning you know, and combined with sensitivity training examination-tests, with demanding standards and high probability of failure; and a large part of their working life should be dedicated to engaging non-policing community service.
And actually we should stop referring to them as 'police' & give them the title of Peace Keepers, this is how it is in First Nation communities and yes it makes a big difference, language terms are fundamental in this sense.
On the topic of name calling, somewhere above, someone called someone a 'Toady' & it seemed to have been meant derisively? What is a 'Toady' by the way?
What is a 'Toady' by the way?
This sort of terminology is normally Fidel's area of expertise, but I'll take a run at it:
A person who flatters or defers to others for self-serving reasons; a sycophant.
The way the 'police' do their work is a growing problem, getting to the point of critical if not already there. Someone made a comment about their being too isolated somehow, possibly true... so they should be required to develop themselves through undertaking regular sensitivty training on all sorts of subjects, life long learning you know, and combined with sensitivity training examination-tests, with demanding standards and high probability of failure; and a large part of their working life should be dedicated to engaging non-policing community service.
And actually we should stop referring to them as 'police' & give them the title of Peace Keepers, this is how it is in First Nation communities and yes it makes a big difference, language terms are fundamental in this sense.
I like those ideas.
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