"WE HAVE THREE DEAD!" - Gaza Flotilla Stormed by Israel

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Mon, 2010-05-31 12:34

Star Spangled C...

Maysie wrote:

Star Spangled, I'm not sure what you're trying to do, other than offer state sanctioned opinions. Last time I looked that was not a progressive stance, to say the least.

Mass murder has just taken place. International journalists and news agencies are reporting on this atrocity. You're going to stick to this position? Really? Well, do so if you must, but it won't be here if you keep going along those lines.

I don't know what the hell you mean by "state sanctioned opionions." Mass murder? Will you condemn the attempted mass murder against Israeli soldiers?

An Israeli commando said he descended with ropes and was immediately attacked by a group of people waiting for them. "They beat us up with metal sticks and knives," he said, adding, "There was live fire at some point against us."

He said a group of people pounced on the soldiers and beat them. One soldier had his guns snatched. "They were shooting at us from below deck."

He said some of the soldiers were tossed from the top deck to the lower deck by the activists and then jumped in the water to save themselves. Activists grabbed soldiers and tried to hold them hostage, stripping them of their helmets and equipment. He said about 30 activists, all speaking Arabic, had carried out the attack."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/anger-mounts-after-deadly-gaza...

Mon, 2010-05-31 12:40

#53

Catchfire

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:
I don't know what the hell you mean by "state sanctioned opionions." Mass murder? Will you condemn the attempted mass murder against Israeli soldiers?

This is outrageous. SSC, you are no longer welcome to post in threads about the Flotilla attacks. We have no need for these pale excuses for the IDF.

Mon, 2010-05-31 12:43

#54

Polunatic2

The PM weighs in.

Canadian PM Harper regrets deaths on aid convoy

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"Canada deeply regrets the loss of life and the injuries suffered," Harper's office said. "We are currently looking for more information in order to shed light on what exactly happened..."

"The prime minister . . . reiterated his full backing for the IDF (Israeli Defence Forces) and inquired about the well being of the wounded," his office told AFP in Ottawa.

Mon, 2010-05-31 12:46

#55

remind

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:
You can see video of the Israelis being attacked here. http://www.vosizneias.com/56643/2010/05/31/jerusalem-idf-release-footage...

Interesting that a group of "human rights activists" would be armed with guns, stun grenades, knives, axes and G-d knows what else...

Though I cannot see videos online, I still know that what I would be seeing was; people defending themselves, from Israeli attackers repelling onto their space, in international waters, to kill people in their sleep.

And I also know, that I would be not seeing Israeli attackers being attacked.

You see, thinking people know, that attackers cannot be atttacked, they can only be injured in the defense struggle against their attack.

Please do not ban SCC, I want to see his inhumane and lacking in reality words, so that they can be rebutted and rank high on google hits about this Israeli launched travesty against humanity.....

Mon, 2010-05-31 13:05

#56

Cytizen H

500_Apples wrote:

Polunatic2 wrote:

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Now that your zionist friends are willing to condemn the attacks with their words within a private conversation we can expect a Palestinian state any day now.

Over the top. These are not always easy conversations and every chat helps in its small way.

Perhaps, perhaps not. righteous indignation in private conversation goes... how far?

The context here is of diaspora zionists. Hypocrisy is already present. People want a land they can escape too for vacation, retirement or burial, particularly if they don't need to work for it or they don't need to hear of the details.

I think these conversations are important. That's what pulled me out of any semblance of zionism.

I think though that you should know that many (although a definite minority of) zionists are not the supremacist racists portrayed here. Zionism, at its roots, is about the dream of Israel. The travesty that is Israel is far from that dream. But I think this conversation is a divergence from this thread. I am happy to continue this conversation in a new thread if the moderators will allow it. I have been made to understand that any comments from a remotely zionist perspective are not allowed here.

edit: added the word "of" after "minority"

Mon, 2010-05-31 13:20

#57

Catchfire

Editorial from the Ottawa Citizen:

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The violent confrontation on the Mediterranean between Israeli marines and a flotilla of pro-Palestinian activists does not further the cause of peace in the region.

That much is self-evident. Disentangling who ultimately is to blame for the bloodshed is less clear. Any discussion of Arab-Israeli violence needs to begin with two truisms: Hatred of Israel is the single most unifying force in the Islamic world, and hatred of Israel is one of the few forms of political expression permitted by Middle Eastern governments.

The Arab-Muslim world is inflamed over the raid, and the temperature won’t cool for a while, but it’s important to remember that the anger is manipulated by Arab-Muslim leaders who cynically benefit from outbreaks of violence. They get to distract from their own illiberal rule and to gain popular legitimacy by demonstrating, for the masses, their anti-Israel bona fides.

Accordingly, there is a sense that Monday’s confrontation was carefully orchestrated in a way that put Israel in a lose-lose situation.

Stunning.

Mon, 2010-05-31 13:37

#58

thorin_bane

Polunatic...funny but the americans said almost the exact thing word for word. Harper is such an original. He couldn't even make up his own excuses.

Wow catchfire...that is unbelievable. Oh wait isn't the citizen part of canwests old holdings....yep says it all. Even if stunning.

Mon, 2010-05-31 13:38

#59

NDPP

Brave Israeli Commandos Slaughter Aid Activists At Sea

http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2010/05/brave-israeli-commandos-slaughter-...

"we insist on severance of diplomatic ties with Israel, trials for warcrimes and the international protection of the civilians of Gaza. We call on YOU to join the growing international boycott, divestment campaign of a country proving again to be an international outlaw...

Footage of IDF Siege

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2010/05/footage-of-idf-siege.html

I have no doubt, given the international outpouring of outrage, Netanyahu's presence in Canada, and simple political opportunism/necessity - that the No Difference Party will issue some kind of critical statement. I mean even Obama has. It will mean nothing. Talk is cheap.

Mon, 2010-05-31 13:45

#60

Catchfire

Benjamin Netanyahu's full statement:

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"We are in the middle of unfolding events as a result of what happened yesterday. I explained to the Prime Minister that I would have to cut my visit short and go back to Israel. I just had a conversation with President Obama and I told him that I would have to go back to Israel. We both agreed that we'd have very close consultations right now and try to reschedule our meeting to the earliest date possible.

"I think both Prime Minister Harper and President Obama understand that Israel has a great security problem and I want to put that into context. The context is that Gaza has become a base for Hamas terrorists backed by Iran. They have fired thousands of rockets into Israel. They are amassing thousands more rockets to fire at our cities, at our towns, at our children.

"Our policy is this -- we try to let in all humanitarian goods into Gaza, all peaceful commodities, food, medicine, and the like. What we want to prevent coming into Gaza are rockets, missiles, explosives and war materials that could be used to attack our civilians. This is an ongoing policy and it was the one that guided our action yesterday. We told the flotilla of ships, we said, 'You can take all your cargo, put it in our port of Ashdod, we'll just ferret out if there are any war materials, and the rest will go through'.

"We succeeded in doing this peacefully with five of the six ships. The sixth ship, the largest, which had hundreds of people on it, not only did not cooperate in this effort peacefully, they deliberately attacked the first soldiers who came on the ship. They were mobbed, they were clubbed, they were beaten, stabbed, there was even a report of gunfire. And our soldiers had to defend themselves, defend their lives, or they would have been killed."

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:00

#61

Catchfire

Cynthia Mckinney: People of the world must end Israeli impunity

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I am outraged at Israel's latest criminal act. I mourn with my fellow Free Gaza travelers, the lives that have been lost by Israel's needless, senseless act against unarmed humanitarian activists. But I'm even more outraged that once again, Israel's actions have been aided and abetted by a U.S. political class that has become corrupted beyond belief due to its reliance on Zionist campaign finance and penetration by Zionist zealots for whom no U.S. weapons system is too much for the Israeli war machine, and the silence of the world's onlookers whose hearts have grown cold with indifference.

I recently visited the offices of IHH, the Turkish humanitarian organization that sponsored one of the Freedom Flotilla boats, and that was targeted by the Israelis for its murderous rampage. Reports are still coming in as to the full extent of the senseless Israeli violence. Of course, I expect Israel's apologists in the press and in the United States government to shift into high gear to support Israel's lying machine. Take note of their names. The 12,000 internet squatters/written word grenade throwers, hired by the Israeli Foreign Ministry to defend Israel and attack peace activists online, are already busy spreading their orchestrated disinformation in cyberspace. Be very careful what you read and believe from special interest press and the internet. You could be reading one of Israel's hired hacks. As a news diversion from what Israel has just done, I suspect that we can also expect to see a lot of historical footage of war's atrocities on television: today is Memorial Day in the United States, a day long ago set aside to remember the sacrifices of U.S. war dead.

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:02

#62

kropotkin1951

Catchfire wrote:

Editorial from the Ottawa Citizen:

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The violent confrontation on the Mediterranean between Israeli marines and a flotilla of pro-Palestinian activists does not further the cause of peace in the region.

That much is self-evident. Disentangling who ultimately is to blame for the bloodshed is less clear. Any discussion of Arab-Israeli violence needs to begin with two truisms: Hatred of Israel is the single most unifying force in the Islamic world, and hatred of Israel is one of the few forms of political expression permitted by Middle Eastern governments.

The Arab-Muslim world is inflamed over the raid, and the temperature won’t cool for a while, but it’s important to remember that the anger is manipulated by Arab-Muslim leaders who cynically benefit from outbreaks of violence. They get to distract from their own illiberal rule and to gain popular legitimacy by demonstrating, for the masses, their anti-Israel bona fides.

Accordingly, there is a sense that Monday’s confrontation was carefully orchestrated in a way that put Israel in a lose-lose situation.

Stunning.

Israel boarded a NATO flagged ship in international waters and our PM says he supports the IDF. So much for a moslem country actually getting admitted to the imperial defence alliance.

I am sure our news media would have the same response if an Iranian ship had boarded a Turkish ship looking for arms and killed 10 civilians. I wonder how the Turks on the street feel about their wonderful alliance with Canada. One for all and all for one in the NATO world. Some one needs to tell the PMO it is Turkey not Israel that we have a military alliance with.

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:04

#63

contrarianna

This was a calculated massacre to scare off any further attempts to break the vile siege of Gaza--complete with planted weapons "found" (I mean, seriously, can anyone actually believe there would be any show to fight off the inevitable Israeli military assault--unless Israel also planted agent provocateurs in the peace flotilla).
All video and cell phone evidence would of course be scrupulously confiscated.

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:05

#64

pogge

Has anyone seen confirmation of [url=http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threatens-action-israel-on-alert/11674... report[/url]?

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Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:12

#65

NDPP

Mourning The Dead of The Freedom Flotilla to Gaza by Cynthia McKinney

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=16005

"I am outraged by Israel's latest criminal act. I mourn with my fellow Free Gaza travelers, the lives that have been lost by Israel's needless, senseless act against unarmed humanitarian activists. But I'm even more outraged that once again, Israel's actions have been aided and abetted by a US political classs [AND A CANADIAN ONE TOO!] that has become corrupted beyond belief due to its reliance on Zionist finance and penetration by Zionist zealots for whom no US weapons system is too much for the Israeli war machine, AND THE SILENCE OF THE WORLD'S ONLOOKERS WHOSE HEARTS HAVE GROWN COLD WITH INDIFFERENCE.."

Israeli Butchery At Sea by Gilad Atzmon

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=16008

"Today we will see demonstrations around the world. We will see many events mourning our dead. We may even see some of Israel's friends 'posturing' against the slaughter. Clearly this is not enough. The massacre that took place was a premeditated Israeli operation.."

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:19

#66

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Maysie wrote:

Interesting that since we don't see the ship from the sides, we can't tell what ship it is, or even, when this footage was shot.

It was the large Turkish? passenger ship, the one that looks like a cruise ship, where most of the people were on that the fighting took place on. It looks like that was the only ship where fighting erupted. The other mostly cargo ships were take over pretty much without incident (probably because there weren't allot of activist people, aside from crew, on board them to resist).

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:46

#67

contrarianna

An IDF released video purporting to show the assault team being hit "with metal poles and chairs".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/may/31/israel-troops-gaza-ships

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:49

#68

Catchfire

Interview with Kevin Neish, Canadian activist, before he boarded the flotilla from Crete on Friday afternoon.

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The big question is, will Israel launch attacks in what is, you know, basically international waters, against flagged ships from other countries.

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:56

#69

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

pogge wrote:

Has anyone seen confirmation of [url=http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threatens-action-israel-on-alert/11674... report[/url]?

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Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.

I'd say it's mostly political posturing for its population by the Turkish government. Let the masses hear what they want but in the end we are going to do this.

The Turkish Navy can escort ships in international waterways all they want. What would be interesting is what the Turkish Navy would do at the 20 or is it 12 mile territorial waters line around the Israeli coast, including Gaza... if they cross it they are in Israeli waters. I seriously doubt Turkey would risk a naval confirmation with Israel over this. All you'd end up with is war between two powerful nations and a sunken relief convoy.

Not to say this still might result in some kind of action against Israel as boarding ships in international waters and killing civilians in the process is a clear violation of international law.

Mon, 2010-05-31 14:58

#70

Joey Ramone

The federal NDP have released a statement demanding an "air travellers' bill of rights". http://www.ndp.ca/press/press-releases

Mon, 2010-05-31 15:04

#71

contrarianna

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...It was by no means the largest massacre of civilians in Israeli history, or even recent Israeli history, but unlike the others there was no way to couch the deliberate attack on a civilian aid vessel in international waters as Hamas’ fault, or an example of human shields, or even a narrow miss of the real target.

Indeed it has spawned what must be among the lamest attempts at hasbara (public explanation) in Israel’s sordid history, as one of the commandos in the region’s most heavily armed military explained opening fire on civilians by saying “they beat us up with metal sticks.”

Metal sticks notwithstanding, the aid flotilla was violating no international laws in trying to deliver medicine and food to civilian victims of an Israeli blockade. Israel on the other hand was most assuredly violating international law in attacking an unarmed aid ship on the open sea.

There has been talk in the past of Israel running afoul of international piracy laws for capturing previous aid ships. Say what you will of that, but in the previous engagements Israel didn’t massacre the crew, they just took them captive and held them on dubious charges.
...

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/31/israel-attacks-gaza-aid-ships-killing...

Mon, 2010-05-31 15:07

#72

NDPP

Defending a humanitarian aid ship in international waters against a brutal armed invasion by Israeli terrorists can hardly be used to justify or defend the terrorists surely? Should they instead have broken into song - 'Give Peace A Chance' perhaps?

Mon, 2010-05-31 15:13

#73

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

I pretty much accurately predicted our psychophantic PM's words exactly, did I not?

Mon, 2010-05-31 15:17

#74

contrarianna

Joey Ramone wrote:

The federal NDP have released a statement demanding an "air travellers' bill of rights". http://www.ndp.ca/press/press-releases

Well, Ignatieff at least acknowledged that SOMETHING inordinate happened:

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Statement by Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff on the attack of the flotilla in the Gaza region
Published on May 31, 2010

Ottawa – Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff made the following statement today on the attack of the flotilla bringing aid to the Gaza Strip:

“We deeply regret the loss of lives in this tragedy.

While we will always support Israel’s right to self-defence, a measured response is important when dealing with security threats in this region.

Given the loss of civilian lives, we are expecting clarification on exactly what happened.

Canada’s objective is, and always will be, to achieve peace in the Middle East. This incident does not help us meet that objective.

On behalf of the Liberal Party of Canada and our parliamentary caucus, I urge the State of Israel to work to ensure that humanitarian aid reaches civilians in the Gaza Strip.”

Mon, 2010-05-31 15:21

#75

kropotkin1951

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

pogge wrote:

Has anyone seen confirmation of [url=http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threatens-action-israel-on-alert/11674... report[/url]?

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Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.

I'd say it's mostly political posturing for its population by the Turkish government. Let the masses hear what they want but in the end we are going to do this.

The Turkish Navy can escort ships in international waterways all they want. What would be interesting is what the Turkish Navy would do at the 20 or is it 12 mile territorial waters line around the Israeli coast, including Gaza... if they cross it they are in Israeli waters. I seriously doubt Turkey would risk a naval confirmation with Israel over this. All you'd end up with is war between two powerful nations and a sunken relief convoy.

If Israel attacks Turkey it is my understanding that we are committed to defending our NATO ally. If we don't then Turkey's inclusion in the NATO alliance means nothing. Our democratic ally in the middle east was attacked and our PMO makes apologies for the enemy. How can our international relations get more fucking perverted?

Mon, 2010-05-31 15:32

#76

Krystalline Kraus Krystalline Kraus's picture

Catchfire wrote:

Editorial from the Ottawa Citizen:

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--The Arab-Muslim world is inflamed over the raid, and the temperature won't cool for a while, but it's important to remember that the anger is manipulated by Arab-Muslim leaders who cynically benefit from outbreaks of violence.

--Accordingly, there is a sense that Monday’s confrontation was carefully orchestrated in a way that put Israel in a lose-lose situation.

--Hamas is obtaining those weapons from somewhere. This week's flotilla originated in Turkey, a country whose government has been increasingly aligning itself with radical Islamist elements. Israel quite rightly can't allow ships that have originated in Turkey, Iran or who knows where else to deliver cargo to Hamas fighters waiting on the docks of Gaza to receive it.

--It is worth noting, however, that using humanitarian causes as cover is a time-honoured tactic of Islamic radicals.

--Every Palestinian "martyr" is a glorious propaganda victory for the Israel-haters. If the haters can engineer the deaths of actual aid workers, killed by Israeli bullets, the victory is doubly glorious.

I pulled these points from the Globe's editorial.......I'm in that kind of angry mode where I get really quiet and I can feel myself shaking ever so slightly.

Mon, 2010-05-31 15:37

#77

Life, the unive...

Joey Ramone wrote:

The federal NDP have released a statement demanding an "air travellers' bill of rights". http://www.ndp.ca/press/press-releases

I know the NDP is responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened in world history, but is it really so hard to scan your eyes around a whole page before going off half-cocked. Much stronger that Ignateiff that's for sure, which is basically a re-iteration of Harper's comments

http://www.ndp.ca/press/statement-by-new-democrat-leader-jack-layton-on-...

Mon, 2010-05-31 15:53

#78

-=+=-

For what it's worth, Warren Kinsella has [url=http://warrenkinsella.com/2010/05/from-one-friend-to-another/]not immediately leapt[/url] to Israel's defense and its right to protect itself against aggressive, blood-thristy aid flotillas trying to deliver medicine and cement.

He's now moved on to the "looks bad" and "not in our strategic interest" position.

Recall, he has in the past been a public apologist for Israeli apartheid policies, and cheerleaded the ghastly war crimes during the Gaza invasion.

I guess being too pro-Israel now is bad for the career.

Mon, 2010-05-31 15:56

#79

-=+=-

contrarianna wrote:

[...]

Well, Ignatieff at least acknowledged that SOMETHING inordinate happened:

Quote:
Statement by Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff on the attack of the flotilla in the Gaza region
Published on May 31, 2010

Ottawa – Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff made the following statement today on the attack of the flotilla bringing aid to the Gaza Strip:

“We deeply regret the loss of lives in this tragedy.

While we will always support Israel’s right to self-defence, a measured response is important when dealing with security threats in this region.

[...]

So, the Liberal Party of Canada believes an aid flotilla, delivering medicine and cement is a "security threat"? And that boarding their ships on the high seas and shooting down it's passengers is "self-defense"?

What is the NDP's position on these matters?

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:00

#80

al-Qa'bong

Life, the universe, everything wrote:

I know the NDP is responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened in world history...

Do messages have to be vetted by Stockholm before NDP partisans post here?

As for the fluff by Happy Jack:

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We were shocked and deeply saddened by the unacceptable loss of life and injuries sustained as a result of the raid by Israeli forces against a flotilla of ships bringing aid to Gaza.

What would he consider an "acceptable" loss of life?

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:00

#81

N.Beltov

The two-tiered aggressive military alliance of NATO just got gunned down by Israel. Israel, whose soliders laugh as they blaze away with their Uzis at their sleeping victims, will have a difficult time now, I think, joining the NATO Axis.

Many commentators have remarked that simply HAVING a two-tiered NATO will inevitably blow it apart. That would be a very good thing.

So I see that the backflips of the CBC in their radio story this morning - jumping straight to Israeli justification for their atrocities and omitting the bit about gunning down civilians in international waters - is by no means unusual.

PM Harper denounced the unarmed Canadian soldier/observer in Lebanon in 2006 when Israel carried out its invasion and atrocities then. I would expect Harper to denounce the current batch of victims of Israeli crimes as well.

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:01

#82

Polunatic2

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Where the fuck are the Canadian political parties?

Maybe something will show up later today?

http://www.ndp.ca/press/press-releases (statement released)

http://www.liberal.ca/en/newsroom/media-releases (statement released)

http://www.blocquebecois.org/communiques.aspx?j=30

http://greenparty.ca/media_releases

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:06

#83

al-Qa'bong

NATO will do exactly what it did the last time anything like this happened - nothing.

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Twenty-six years have passed since that clear day on June 8, 1967 when Israel attacked the USS Liberty with aircraft and torpedo boats, killing 34 young men and wounding 171. The attack in international waters followed over nine hours of close surveillance. Israeli pilots circled the ship at low level 13 times on eight different occasions before attacking. Radio operators in Spain, Lebanon, Germany and aboard the ship itself all heard the pilots reporting to their headquarters that this was an American ship.

Attack on the USS Liberty

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:07

#84

Polunatic2

-d-d-

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:08

#85

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

pogge wrote:

Has anyone seen confirmation of [url=http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threatens-action-israel-on-alert/11674... report[/url]?

Quote:
Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.

I'd say it's mostly political posturing for its population by the Turkish government. Let the masses hear what they want but in the end we are going to do this.

The Turkish Navy can escort ships in international waterways all they want. What would be interesting is what the Turkish Navy would do at the 20 or is it 12 mile territorial waters line around the Israeli coast, including Gaza... if they cross it they are in Israeli waters. I seriously doubt Turkey would risk a naval confirmation with Israel over this. All you'd end up with is war between two powerful nations and a sunken relief convoy.

If Israel attacks Turkey it is my understanding that we are committed to defending our NATO ally. If we don't then Turkey's inclusion in the NATO alliance means nothing. Our democratic ally in the middle east was attacked and our PMO makes apologies for the enemy. How can our international relations get more fucking perverted?

Understood, but Israel wouldn't attack the Turkish navy unless it violates its territorial waters. In that case it would be Turkey "attacking" Israel... I don't think NATO is obligated to help Turkey in such a unilateral scenario were it attacks another nation. For example: NATO doesn't help Turkey fight the Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq when they do their raids across the boarder. If anything NATO looks the other way...

Also to make things even more complicated for Turkey any military action as retaliation for the boarding of its vessels would have to go through NATO... and we all know where that would go. Unless Turkey is willing to go into a shooting war over this they are pretty much stuck with the actions taken by the UN and world opinion for support on a course of action.

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:22

#86

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Reading the "editorials" it is time that sort of tripe was identified as the racist garbage it is with as fine a line of the sort of anti-semtism editorial writers produced in the 30s. Disect those editorials and they translate into: Arabs are conniving, evil people, capable of manipulating well-meaning but gullible, folk; all Arabs are Islamic; all of Islam but those who ar rich and make for nice pets, the Aga Khan, are terrorists.

This is purely hateful, base racism no different the stuff of the 30s. And it is because it goes unchallenged, haters such as Paul and Stossel feel free to call into question important aspects of the civil rights act.

All racism is of the same root.

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:25

#87

Life, the unive...

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Life, the universe, everything wrote:

I know the NDP is responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened in world history...

Do messages have to be vetted by Stockholm before NDP partisans post here?

As for the fluff by Happy Jack:

Quote:

We were shocked and deeply saddened by the unacceptable loss of life and injuries sustained as a result of the raid by Israeli forces against a flotilla of ships bringing aid to Gaza.

What would he consider an "acceptable" loss of life?

What a load of crap - from you. Of course the loss of life is unacceptable - the only fluff is your comments.

Name one other Canadian political leader of national stature calling for an end to the blockade.

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:38

#88

remind

FFS, really, the downright gall, and deception, of some people boggles the mind.

The only party in Ottawa to call it for what it is, "a raid by Israel", not an attack upon Israel, isn't good enough. One person denies the NDP said anything about it, and made a "look over here" commentary. And another decides to split hairs, and parse the word implications of "UNACCEPTABLE".

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We were shocked and deeply saddened by the unacceptable loss of life and injuries sustained as a result of the raid by Israeli forces against a flotilla of ships bringing aid to Gaza.

I join international leaders in calling for an urgent and independent investigation into this terrible incident that jeopardizes the pursuit of peace in the region.

I call on Prime Minister Harper to immediately lend Canada's voice to the rapidly growing call for this inquiry.

When we have the papers and other politicians calling the aid floatilla an attack upon Israel, this is a hugely strong statement by the NDP.

ETA I agree with you Life, unfuckingbelievable actually. Allies in cause my ass.

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:58

#89

Catchfire

Please try not to take criticism of the NDP personally. In happier news, here is a statement from Libby Davies:

Libby Davies wrote:
I wish to express my sympathy and outrage for the families and friends of those who lost their lives and those who were injured in the horrendous attack today by Israeli Defence Forces against the Freedom Flotilla carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza.

This deadly assault on peace activists, who only wanted the people of Gaza to receive the basic necessities of life, is shocking and unconscionable and demands an immediate investigation and response by the International Community. The illegal siege on Gaza, now in its 3rd year, must be ended.

The Government of Canada must speak out and make it clear that Canada condemns all such actions against innocent people who are peace activists.

The hundreds of participants in the Freedom Flotilla who have now been detained by Israel must be released.

As someone who has visited Gaza twice, mostly recently in August 2009, I have witnessed first-hand the devastation of the siege on Gaza and its 1.6 million inhabitants.

Like Rachael Corrie and other internationals who have given their life for peace and justice for Palestinians, we honour their life’s work and will continue to work for peace and justice in the Middle East.

Mon, 2010-05-31 16:58

#90

N.Beltov

Norman Finklestein interviewed by RT ...

"Israel is a lunatic state with 2 or 3 hundred nuclear weapons."

Mon, 2010-05-31 17:11

#91

al-Qa'bong

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Libby Davies wrote:

I wish to express my sympathy and outrage for the families and friends of those who lost their lives and those who were injured in the horrendous attack today by Israeli Defence Forces against the Freedom Flotilla carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza.

That's more like it - it's good to see that someone in the Nude Ems has the guts to call it like it is.

Mon, 2010-05-31 17:20

#92

N.Beltov

The Daily Telegraph: nah, it's just "bad timing".

And, from the mouth of Sauron ... a spokesman at the White House said America was "working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy."

Perhaps we should have a separate thread for all the apologetic.

Mon, 2010-05-31 17:25

#93

remind

Catchfire wrote:
Please try not to take criticism of the NDP personally.

Excuse me? IT WAS a PERSONAL attack upon NDP supporters, not actually on the NDP at all.

as follows in case you actually missed it:

al'q wrote:
Do messages have to be vetted by Stockholm before NDP partisans post here?

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families and friends of those who lost their lives and those who were injured in the horrendous attack today by Israeli Defence Forces against the Freedom Flotilla carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza.

This deadly assault on peace activists, who only wanted the people of Gaza to receive the basic necessities of life, is shocking and unconscionable and demands an immediate investigation and response by the International Community. The illegal siege on Gaza, now in its 3rd year, must be ended.

The Government of Canada must speak out and make it clear that Canada condemns all such actions against innocent people who are peace activists.

The hundreds of participants in the Freedom Flotilla who have now been detained by Israel must be released.

As someone who has visited Gaza twice, mostly recently in August 2009, I have witnessed first-hand the devastation of the siege on Gaza and its 1.6 million inhabitants.

Like Rachael Corrie and other internationals who have given their life for peace and justice for Palestinians, we honour their life’s work and will continue to work for peace and justice in the Middle East.

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Not much difference than the one at the NDP site, other than her personal info about being there prior, she just expanded on what was formally said to the press.

Mon, 2010-05-31 18:03

#94

Life, the unive...

Catchfire wrote:

Please try not to take criticism of the NDP personally. In happier news, here is a statement from Libby Davies:

What a crock. I am not an NDP member, but I see how this site works. All kinds of attacks are okay on babblers as long as it is couched in terms of 'hey I am just talking about the NDP'. It is a crock and as a moderator you should be telling people to knock it off not give it passive acceptance and permission to continue.

Even the disrespect in terms like this, speaks volumes about who is protected and who is not

Quote:

someone in the Nude Ems has the guts to call it like it is

Mon, 2010-05-31 18:15

#95

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

As many as 19 good people have been murdered by a racist regime and the crime has all but been excused by our government and we are engaged in partisan sniping. Grow up.This isn't really about any of you. Does the word "solidarity" really mean shit?

Mon, 2010-05-31 18:16

#96

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:
As for the fluff by Happy Jack:

Quote:

We were shocked and deeply saddened by the unacceptable loss of life and injuries sustained as a result of the raid by Israeli forces against a flotilla of ships bringing aid to Gaza.

What would he consider an "acceptable" loss of life?

I think it's a lot better than the other two sound-alikes when they say that Uncle Sam's frontline state in this colder war period, Israel, has a right to defend itself and even pre-emptively. I think this pre-emptive offensive-defence strategy was happening in late thirties and fourties Europe, if we're not mistaken.

Mon, 2010-05-31 18:18

#97

Life, the unive...

I agree, which is why I was so appalled at the naked attempt to do so in post # 70 and then 81 and called them on their naked bullshit trying to score political points on this issue. It is appalling.

Mon, 2010-05-31 18:20

#98

Fidel

Yeah, isn't it time to gang up on Cheri DiNovo for Canada's role in aiding and abetting Uncle Sam and front line state of Israel?

Mon, 2010-05-31 18:28

#99

Catchfire

A few babblers wondered where Canada's political parties stood on this attack, and when they would make statements condemning or supporting Israel's actions. Stephen Harper made a brief, equivocal statement and Ignatieff followed shortly with a slightly longer and more critical statement. Jack Layton was the last leader of the three major national parties to issue a statement. All statements were analyzed and critiqued, including the one by the NDP for not being strong enough. Libby Davies followed with a more strongly worded statement. None of these statements or analysis should have been taken as a personal attack.

If you don't like what people say about the party you support, do what Fidel does: defend that party. It's not always easy, but it's better than attacking babblers who don't agree with you. In addition, it accords babble policy, whereas the latter does not.

Mon, 2010-05-31 19:02

#100

ocsi

Why don't we hear from the hundreds of people who were on the flotilla? Did they all lose their cell phones?

Mon, 2010-05-31 19:11

#101

Slumberjack

Statement from the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist)

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The Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) vehemently denounces the brutal attack carried out against a civilian flotilla bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza. Despite the international condemnation of its criminal attack on the people of Gaza during Operation Cast Lead which killed 1,400 mostly civilians, the Zionist regime has once again shown its total disregard for human life. This attack is an extension of the Zionists' fascist notion of "collective punishment" for the Palestinian people's heroic resistance to all those who would offer the Palestinian people humanitarian aid. It must not pass!

They must be using a different brand of spine stiffener than the collective gaggle of worthless invertebrates who currently represent us at the Federal level. Libby Davies apparently had a fairly good swig of it though. Unfortunately she neglected to pass it to Layton and the rest of his gang.

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