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Brian White

Bumbles seemed to recover but now they seem gone and left a birdhouse full of hive, incl some unopened cells. Should I take it down and vent it to let more air in? Perhaps everything is dead or perhaps some little bees are still in cacoon.

Yesterday was hot and I saw neat interaction between bees wasps and jumping spiders.  A NEW bee! Looks just like a yellow jacket but instead it visits flowers.  It has a slightly shorter tail and the proof is in the legs that have pollen baskets.  But so close a mimic!   A big jumping spider made a grab for her and just missed. (on thyme flowers).

There is also a potter wasp building on the outside of my rock wall with MY cob.  She was having a bit of trouble because a spider? wasp was coming too close.

She chased her away many times.  (the ones that hunt along the walls and dart their long tail spike into spiders or maybe catapillars.  Anyway, a couple of minutes later a small different type jumping spider edged up to the spider wasp and made a grab for her.  Missed too.  Back to rain today. Hope the potter is doing ok.

We have milliions of tent catipillars this year and lots of slugs due to very wet weather.

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I've only seen one bee (bumblebee I think) and one butterfly so far. I have tulips in full bloom, and lillies are still growing their stalks. No signs of the wildflowers yet. Mourning Doves and Goldfinches are here every day, as all larger birds. I had a vulture perched on my porch for a full morning - wish my camera worked!

Brian White

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=233214&id=736625766&l=004e48a9ef shows a sneak attack on a potter wasp babies.  I have never seen the potter wasps working on the outside of a wall before but it is easy to miss the little nests.  I have seen similar nests (but more like pots) while taking old walls apart on the inside of the walls.

Brian White

The bumble bees seemed to recover but did not make it.  Sad. I drilled holes in wood for mason and other bees and there are definitely less masons than usual. Very cool spring.  This year I tried something new, instead of drilling, I poked holes in a block of wet cob. All different sizes. Nothing happened for the longest time but it looks now as if a few of the wasp mimics have moved in.  Some wasp mimics and masons are in one of the blocks of wood too.   I expect some leafcutters later on too.

Really glad that it is working.   The cob thing is a lot easier than holes in wood because you can just make the wet block, stick knitting needles and pieces of wire, and bars in of all different sizes and the bees can choose what they want.  I will be putting in weeds and grasses and vines  too if I can. I have seen tiny bees nesting in hollow old rasberry canes.  Normally, I would have cut the canes and composted them. Bye bye bees! 

On BBC news there was an article about how 3 species of bumble bee have disappeared in England.

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They were talking about raseberry canes for bees on quirks and quarks last week.  You're doing what the experts are doing.

Thanks Brian for all the good work.

Brian White

http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/quirks_20100626_34464.mp3   is  one about the bees. They did not mention bees nesting in the rasberry canes but I have seen them do it.  (They say raspberrys are a favoured flower).

I will do a video about the cob, now that I know that it works.   I think people have got hung up on mason bees.  Much of the info is about producing the perfect nest for the masons.  Lets produce nests for everything!   The good news about that is nature is variable.  You do not need the perfect 8.3 mm hole or whatever.

Just get out that drill, and "drill baby drill" anything from 2 mm to 15 mm will work and everything in between! "Drill em deep" and drill em round.

And get out your knitting needles, pieces of wire and bike spokes and start making cob bee houses and clay bee houses. Put hollow wood and weed stems in your mud pies too. If you could  make mud pies as a kid, you can do it still!

Brian

 

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Still not many bees here, too cold for the flowers to blossom.

Brian White

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1CwnYY64NU is the video about cob holes for the bees and about the raspberry canes as bee habitat and grape vines as bee habitat too.   Maybe some of you will join in and make trial bee habitat during the rest of the year?   Brian

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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6685500&l=f7a303bdd6&id=736625766  is bees (with yellow jacket colouring) doing the wild thing.  It is about the only time they stay still and it is only for about 3 seconds. The Drone is about twice the size of the female and he lays beside the blue flowers and  then zooms up  and ambushes her as she sips nectar. These guys are VERY quick in flight!  First time I saw it, i thought it was a wasp attacking the little bee but he lets her go after 3 or 4 seconds.

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Note: Melting wax attracts bees.  This little girl flew into my kitchen yesterday.  When I discovered it I took it outside but it seemed quite weak so I fed it some honey.  It then spent a good spell on my hands and arms, peacefully making cleaning gestures before it finally took off.  Nothing like the sweet tickle of honey bee feet or a light breeze of their wings.  Hate to see the bee season coming to a close.  Learned lots this year and I'm utterly awe inspired.

Will be giving some thanks this weekend as I eat.

 

Fidel

Years ago I was stung four times around my left ear while walking to work in the bush one morning. My ear throbbed all day long in 90 degree heat. I realized later that my smart ass ubervisor stirred up a nest of them about three minutes ahead of me. And I was the one who suffered the blowback. It was a sword operation I'll never forget. I got him back though. He went to work the next morning with a dead battery for his walkie talkie and no tetra juice packs! Ha!

Brian White

On about the 1st October, it was a hot day and green bees were out in numbers. Fairly large with bright green abdomens. Lots of them were going between a crack between 2 concrete slabs. Maybe to hibernate together?  Not that many flowers left now.  It is interesting because about 10 ft away is the place where the digger bees have their biggest nesting area.  Perhaps something in the soil attracts them?  Easy to burrow or something.   It just illustrates the successional thing again for me. Different species come out depending on the time of year. And all are needed.

On a very serious note, Bayer has being caught redhanded  directing research (and researchers)  away from the clear pesticide link to colony collapse disorder.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/08/news/honey_bees_ny_times.fortune/index.htm

A very strong case of he who pays the piper.

 

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  I have this huge bush shrub in my yard which grows and spreads like crazy.  Not sure what is exactly, only that it's related to bamboo.  For the most part it's quite annoying as it needs constant chopping to keep it from taking over some paths.  I had been debating trying to get rid of most of it until it flowered this year.   It flowers late and is nothing special in terms of human asthetics but holy heck it's a pollinators banquet.  As I approached it one day a buzzing filled they air.  It was loud!   On closer inspection it was full of insects.  Bumblebees, commercial honeybees, wild honey bees and numerous others that I know are types of bees.  I counted over a dozen different types insects  and a few that I've never seen before.   I've never seen such a variety of flying critters on just one type of plant.  

 I won't be getting rid of it now.   

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ElizaQ wrote:

  I have this huge bush shrub in my yard which grows and spreads like crazy.  Not sure what is exactly, only that it's related to bamboo. 

Sounds like it could be japanese knotweed.  Great story!

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ebodyknows wrote:

ElizaQ wrote:

  I have this huge bush shrub in my yard which grows and spreads like crazy.  Not sure what is exactly, only that it's related to bamboo. 

Sounds like it could be japanese knotweed.  Great story!

 

 Ugh.  Yep that looks like what it is.  Great.  Now I get to decide between an noxious invasive vs a bee banquet plant.   Looks like it's tons of trouble to eradicate it too.  

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ElizaQ wrote:

ebodyknows wrote:

ElizaQ wrote:

  I have this huge bush shrub in my yard which grows and spreads like crazy.  Not sure what is exactly, only that it's related to bamboo. 

Sounds like it could be japanese knotweed.  Great story!

 

 Ugh.  Yep that looks like what it is.  Great.  Now I get to decide between an noxious invasive vs a bee banquet plant.   Looks like it's tons of trouble to eradicate it too.  

...or replace it with something else that they love.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

ElizaQ wrote:

ebodyknows wrote:

ElizaQ wrote:

  I have this huge bush shrub in my yard which grows and spreads like crazy.  Not sure what is exactly, only that it's related to bamboo. 

Sounds like it could be japanese knotweed.  Great story!

 

 Ugh.  Yep that looks like what it is.  Great.  Now I get to decide between an noxious invasive vs a bee banquet plant.   Looks like it's tons of trouble to eradicate it too.  

...or replace it with something else that they love.

 

  They love my whole property it's full of seasonal succession of wildflowers already so I guess I won't worry about it that much.  Been doing some more reading about this plant and it looks like unless I go on some sort of full on chemical warfare strategy it's not going anywhere anyways.  Especially since I avoid chemicals anyways and most if not all of the chemical that will get rid of it are now illegal.  So I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing and keep it cut back.   Looks like the spring shoots are edible too so I may try snacking on it as well. 

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@ ElizaQ

THat's why I like milkweed. It pops seeds all over the place, but it is easy to control with a hoe, and I am still surprised that I managed to eradicate my sunchoke patch with just a shovel. 

I have not been so lucky with other things, like my west coast nightshade, and it took three years to control my valerian, which I am now careful to top when it goes to seed.

(edit)

and I am not sure if I said so already upthread, but it has been an okay year for bees (all over our sunflowers) but no wasps and only a handful of hornets, which is very strange.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

@ ElizaQ

THat's why I like milkweed. It pops seeds all over the place, but it is easy to control with a hoe, and I am still surprised that I managed to eradicate my sunchoke patch with just a shovel. 

I have not been so lucky with other things, like my west coast nightshade, and it took three years to control my valerian, which I am now careful to top when it goes to seed.

(edit)

and I am not sure if I said so already upthread, but it has been an okay year for bees (all over our sunflowers) but no wasps and only a handful of hornets, which is very strange.

 

This is pretty ironic.  Here you are eradicating sunchokes and controlling valerian where I'm planning a large sunchoke patch for next year and plant valerian all over the place.   :D    Did you ever eat your sunchokes?  They a great perennial veggie that is actually gaining in popularity because it easily multiplies and care for.  Just kind of does it's thing and you get food.  

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As for milkweed I have about half and acre of it along with Joe Pye Weed and Boneset.   In the summer it's butterfly central.  Last year I planted some swamp milkweed which is native to this area as well. 

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ElizaQ wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

@ ElizaQ

THat's why I like milkweed. It pops seeds all over the place, but it is easy to control with a hoe, and I am still surprised that I managed to eradicate my sunchoke patch with just a shovel. 

I have not been so lucky with other things, like my west coast nightshade, and it took three years to control my valerian, which I am now careful to top when it goes to seed.

(edit)

and I am not sure if I said so already upthread, but it has been an okay year for bees (all over our sunflowers) but no wasps and only a handful of hornets, which is very strange.

 

This is pretty ironic.  Here you are eradicating sunchokes and controlling valerian where I'm planning a large sunchoke patch for next year and plant valerian all over the place.   :D    Did you ever eat your sunchokes?  They a great perennial veggie that is actually gaining in popularity because it easily multiplies and care for.  Just kind of does it's thing and you get food.  

Oh yes, that's why I put it there, and I like it.

I just re-thought it because I wasn't getting enough food out of it for the space it was taking up, I found the stalks hard to compost, and it is very invasive, and was right in the middle of the best spot in my garden. Plus, I have an urban lot, so space is at a  premium.

And valerian is great, although as I am sure you know it is best against a fence because it has a tendency to blow down, and it spreads like crazy if you let it go to seed, and the roots are hell to get out.

And yes, I have a couple of patches of Joe Pye. Odd that it doesn't spread because it sure makes a lot of seed.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Oh yes, that's why I put it there, and I like it.

I just re-thought it because I wasn't getting enough food out of it for the space it was taking up, I found the stalks hard to compost, and it is very invasive, and was right in the middle of the best spot in my garden. Plus, I have an urban lot, so space is at a  premium.

And valerian is great, although as I am sure you know it is best against a fence because it has a tendency to blow down, and it spreads like crazy if you let it go to seed, and the roots are hell to get out.

And yes, I have a couple of patches of Joe Pye. Odd that it doesn't spread because it sure makes a lot of seed.

 

Ah okay that makes sense.  :)  I don't have an issue with space so my future sunchoke patch can just have at it.  I'm putting it in it's own area.  

My valerian grows to enormous size (everything does here) so I do have it against a fence.  I also have it along a path where I walk because I love the smell and the bees go crazy for it when it flowers.   I've never had a problem with the roots though (I dig them for medicine) so maybe it's just a difference in the soil where it's planted.   Most of my soil is really good and friable and pretty much anything comes up really easily. 

 

Brian White

More about Bayer and their assault on science, bees and food production is at

http://www.businessinsider.com/colony-collapse-disorder-still-unsolved-l...

Science if pathetic sometimes.  Everything has to be proved 100% (even though that is not possible in science).  The new nicotine like insecticides were brought in just before the bees started disappearing but there is still no proof that the nerve poison that causes bees to lose their sense of direction is causing the bees to lose their sense of direction!  Even the bayer sponsered bee  expert notices "drunk" behaviour from the bees.

(Which is one characteristic of insects poisoned with this nerve poison).

Are ordinary people that stupid?  If it was a jury, wouldn't Bayer executives be sent to prison on circumstantial evidence?

Wouldn't Bayer be fined for the environmental catastrophy they are causing?    People are afraid to comment because it has not been proven?

Well guess what folks, that is the nature of science. Nothing is ever proven 100% 

Sometimes we will have to accept 90% as proof enough. and we need to act real quick.  Agriculture uses (and likes) these things because they kill insects really well. People need to get off their backsides and lobby now.

jrootham

The University of Montana and the Army have determined that there are 2 factors involved in colony collapse disorder.

 

Brian White

jrootham wrote:

The University of Montana and the Army have determined that there are 2 factors involved in colony collapse disorder.

The lead researcher took BAYER money. Other scientists had issues with his results but that didn't stop them putting it in the newspapers.

 They deliberately chose not to look at pesticide links.  And my link noted that the 2 "Factors" predated ccd by at least a decade.

Well, your response shows that you didn't read my link.   Victory for the propagandists.

People from percy Smeiser's organization were telling me about the new insecticide link about 3 years ago.  And the bee keeper organizations are certain about it too.  Germany and France have banned some of the insecticides after sudden catostraphic loss of bees  happened at the same time as the insecticides were introduced.   This is not brain surgery. Some beekeepers refuse to use their bees with certain blueberry farmers due to the insecticides that they use. Because when they did, the bees flew away and never came back.

You fire the gun (introduction of that insecticide), a couple of weeks later, bees fly away and never come back, and there is MYSTERY?

It is plain as day what is causing the CCD.

There is a general bee decline that has been going on for years (This is part of a decline of all insect types).  However the bees flying out and getting lost is due to the neurotoxin in the insecticide.  The company is trying to link the general decline to the new "bee getting lost" decline.  There is no link. Bees getting lost is due to  the effects of the new insecticides.

"In 2006, once thriving bee colonies across America suddenly vanished, leaving behind empty beehives. The bodies of the bees were never found. Scientists soon gave a name to the mysterious phenomenon: colony collapse disorder (CCD)

From 2006 to 2009, over one-third of beekeepers reported colonies collapsing accompanied by a “lack of dead bees," according to a survey conducted by the Apiary Inspectors of America (AIA)."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/colony-collapse-disorder-still-unsolved-lead-researcher-had-connections-to-bayer-2010-10#ixzz12JUA67x1

 

jrootham

Yup, my bad, I jumped the gun.

Some literary criticism:  your breathless writing style lead me to respond without reading.  Entirely my fault, but I was lead into temptation.

 

Doug Woodard

For plant information and sources see

North American Native Plant Society

http://www.nanps.org

For local groups and local information click on

resources, then native plant societies

For seed and plant sources, click on

sources, then other sources.

Consider joining nanps.

And don't forget http://www.xerces.org

The book "Butterflies of Canada" has information on preferred food plants for species. Many libraries have it.

In general, wild strains of plants will be better nectar and pollen sources than cultivars. Flower cultivars are selected to put more energy/resources into bigger, longer-lasting, gaudier, more profuse flowers. Something has to give.

 

 

 

Brian White

Sorry,  I didn't even know I had a writing style. Anyway, I am just an amateur blasting off against Bayer. (Who have an overwhelming amount of money for their PR and disinformation  department).  I am on a bee buzz this year and the cob and stem bee houses has been super successful for me and it has spread.  I think the new insecticides will kill all those thousands of species of native bees too and hardly anyone will even notice until they are all gone. They are struggling way more than honey bees.

jrootham wrote:

Yup, my bad, I jumped the gun.

Some literary criticism:  your breathless writing style lead me to respond without reading.  Entirely my fault, but I was lead into temptation.

 

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Brian White wrote:

Sorry,  I didn't even know I had a writing style. Anyway, I am just an amateur blasting off against Bayer. (Who have an overwhelming amount of money for their PR and disinformation  department).

 

It totally is the kind of thing that demands profound outrage, but I do understand how it that outrage head-on can be confounding even for those who aren't just your average canola oil eater.  Many people I talk to are just shocked to learn there are bees that live in the ground rather than large wax balls suspended from a tree....Thus the original post that simply focused on the awe inspiring aspects of the bee world.

Fidel

Quote:
A Biologist Remembers (1967)1 Karl Ritter von Frisc wrote about his life’s work:

The layman may wonder why a biologist is content to devote 50 years of his life to the study of bees and minnows without ever branching out into research on, say, elephants, or at any rate the lice of elephants or...

I think what he's saying is that anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant.

 

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Von frisc showed bees have a long term memory and could see in colour.  Before this I believe it was doubted in the scientific community that most invertebrates were capable of these feats let alone such minuscule invertebrates.  It represented a veritable revolution in thinking at the time.

And it's still been fairly revolutionary for me to be confronted in a very physical way with the uniqueness of the bee's experience of things because it serves as a constant reminder how limited my own experience of things is.

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It's all for the love of honey.

Brian White

http://planbeecentral.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/new-dutch-study-links-imd...

"Imidacloprid is the most widely used insecticide in the world and Bayer´s best-selling pesticide (2009 sales: €606 million). The substance is often used as seed-dressing, especially for maize, sunflower and rapeseed. The beginning of the marketing of imidacloprid coincided with the occurrence of large bee deaths, first in France, later on also in many other European countries, Canada, the US and Brazil.

After huge bee mortality in Germany in 2008 which was shown to be caused by neonicotinoid pesticides the Coalition against Bayer Dangers accused the Bayer management of downplaying the risks of imidacloprid, submitting deficient studies to authorities and thereby accepting huge losses of honey bees in many parts of the world."

"Dr. Henk Tennekes on his results: “The risks of the neonicotinoid insecticides imidacloprid and thiacloprid to arthropods in water and soil may be seriously underestimated. The acceptable limits are based mainly on short-term tests. If long-term studies were to be carried out, far lower concentrations may turn out to be hazardous. This explains why minute quantities of imidacloprid may induce bee decline in the long run.” Because of their high persistence significant quantities of neonicotinoids may remain in the soil for several years. Consequently, untreated plants growing on soil previously exposed to imidacloprid may take up the substance via their roots and become hazardous for bees".

Brian White

First thing. Some AMAZING news about a type of digger wasp! (If confirmed but it looks very likely to be correct).

I have to say that the article is heavy reading .

In plain english- INSECT PHOTOSYNTHESIS!
And not only that, photosysthesis without chlorophyl!
These little digger wasps have a structure on their backs that does a version of photosynthisis! to augment the energy from their food

but instead of chlorophyl they use Xanthopterin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9254000/9

My thing about building your own bee houses from cob, raspberry canes, etc is at

http://www.instructables.com/id/Save-the-bees-from-extinction-You-CAN-do... It is a collaboration so feel free to make it better.

It has been very successful and as far as I know, people have started this on 3 continents.

Brian White

Someone from an organization linked to Percy Smeiser told me that nicotine related chemicals were killing bees about 3 years ago.

Now the proof that they knew it would kill bees but they released it anyway.   I am pretty surprised that nobody beat me to this.

I guess we really do not care about our environment.  I wonder if it is killing us too?

http://animals.change.org/blog/view/wikileaks_uncovers_government_bee_ki...

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This evidence online against Beyer is mounting up in such a way that it's probably best practice to point to neonicotinoids used in agriculture as one of the most significant causes of the bee die-offs.

On a more positive note. Our urban beekeeping co-op collected about 1000lbs of honey(skip to 25:50) this year or  50lbs a hive from wild-flowers and residential gardens in an area where pesticides are mostly banned.  Our bees seem to be doing quite well.

 

Brian White

From the link below

"That's disingenuous at best. Bayer has already admitted that the misapplication of clothianidin was responsible for killing two-thirds of beekeepers' bees in the Baden-Württemberg region of Germany".  Read it again! A chemical that is applied to seeds that get put under the ground killed 2/3 of the beehives  in Baden-Württemberg in spring 2008 but Bayer is claiming that they are not killing bees in the USA.  Thats how quick. 3 months  2/3 of the bees gone from one chemical!  And thats a state that is half the size of Ireland that includes the very large black forest. Thats trees with virtually no agriculture.   And they STILL managed to kill 2/3 of the bees in 3 months! With a seed treatment.

Thanks to wikileaks for the info that the US EPA passed the chemical for USA use without it having passed its tests.

 

http://www.fastcompany.com/1710746/bayer-our-bee-toxic-pesticide-is-actu...

NDPP

Bees in Free Fall

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/01/04-10

"The abundance of four common species of bumblebee in the US has dropped by 96% in just the past few decades, according to the most comprehensive national census of the insects. Scientists said the alarming decline, which could have devastating implications for the pollination of both wild and farmed plants, was likely to be the result of disease and low genetic diversity in bee populations."

George Victor

"Scientists said the alarming decline, which could have devastating implications for the pollination of both wild and farmed plants, was likely to be the result of disease and low genetic diversity in bee populations."

 

"Likely" to be.....?

 

Jesus.

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George Victor wrote:

"Scientists said the alarming decline, which could have devastating implications for the pollination of both wild and farmed plants, was likely to be the result of disease and low genetic diversity in bee populations."

 

"Likely" to be.....?

 

Jesus.

 

Ah no worries George.  Some technical solution will be invented to replace the work that pollinators like bees do.  Nanite technology and robotics are moving ahead in leaps and bounds.   So you know something like little robot insects.   Oh and then biotech could make something that would just make all of plants self pollinating....a spray maybe.  :) 

Of course I'm not serious but the blokes discussing these sorts of things were.  When I heard these otherwise well educated folk speculating in this manner it was one of those moments where I didn't know whether to laugh or cry with despair.    Even more so after I interrupted a suggested that maybe an solution is to "Oh I don't know figure out what's killing the bees, do something about that in order to keep them around," and it was met with a 'Well yeah I suppose that might be a  way of  with it."   Star Trek Syndrome at it's worst.

So yeah, robot bees or a spray that would just magically make every plant and tree have sex with itself.  Science will fix it.   You would think that maybe figuring out whats killing the bees and dealing with that might have been on the table but I soon discovered after some questioning that although it was, if it meant stopping doing something, like say using pesticides or some other ag tech that was necessary to grow our food or if it meant stopping something else necessary for society functioning,  then we would have to weigh the 'cost vs benefits' of doing  and replacing pollinators with some sort of 'invention' or inventing some way to change the entire way that plants go about their business may be a better one in the long run...    And yes they were quite serious and believed that something like robot bees and plant sex changing sprays were entirely feasible inventions.

Monsanto and neo classical econ 101 has infected peoples brains. :)

 

 

 

 

 

George Victor

Thanks, EQ.   I need that kind of input more and more these days. 

Brian White

The thing is we know what is killing the bees. The bayer pesticide is the specific cause of colony collapse disorder.

The specific sympton of CCD (bees flying away in the morning and getting lost) is KNOWN to be due to their pesticide and the start of ccd also neatly coinsides with its introduction.    There are wider nonspecific issues too but if you want a CAUSE for CCD in particular, look no further than bayer. That is the elephant that broke the camels back in the last few years.

Bayer know it too, that is why the epa got bought off (wikileaks brought that to light) and why they sponser scientists to investigate other "causes". (Beekeepers  brought that to light).   So the main waring factions beekeepers and bayer know what is going on.

 And the public is being played by classical 'fair representation of viewpoints' in the newspapers. Propaganda is the pesticide makers best friend.

As they kill bees off the warriors of the other side (bee keepers) go out of business and get most of the blame in the process.

The background is general insect species decline.

 The bayer pesticide is killing insects, and BT pollen is killing them. And monoculture is killing them. And lights at night messes up insect migration.  Everything else is just flack to confuse people who like a good mystery. And Boy do they fall for it!

And  everyone forgets that it is not just honeybees.  Honeybee, honeybee honeybee,  makes me sick. Lets forget the big picture altogether.

All bee species are in decline.

All insects are in decline.  Focus all out on one and you lose the big picture altogether.

Butterflys, night moths, ladybugs, fireflys, mayfly.  Everything.

Thats the basis for the foods of most small birds and mammals.  So no guessing why these are in decline too.

But CCD is Bayer.  You have the fingerprints, you have the poison,  you have the cause of death.  But no bodys due to how the poison works.

 

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Saw on an American network last night that the Americans are growing more concerned about the disappearance of the bees - and no mention of Bayer whatsoever. I'll try to find a link.

 

ETA: no luck - but found this.

 

excerpt:

 

Bayer v. Beekeepers
by Katherine Eban, October 8, 2010
from Fortune.com: "What a scientist didn't tell The New York Times
about his study on bee deaths"

 

As for the Bayer-Bromenshenk connection, in 2003 a group of 13 North Dakota beekeepers brought a class-action lawsuit against Bayer, alleging that the company's neonicotinoid, Imidacloprid, which had been used in nearby fields, was responsible for the loss of more than 60% of their hives. "My bees were getting drunk," Chris Charles, a beekeeper in Carrington, N.D., and a plaintiff in the lawsuit, told me in 2008. "They couldn't walk a white line anymore -- they just hung around outside the hive. They couldn't work."

Charles and the other North Dakota beekeepers hired Bromenshenk as an expert witness. Bayer did not dispute that Imidacloprid was found among the bees and their hives. The company simply argued that the amount had not been enough to kill them.

As the North Dakota lawsuit moved forward, an expert witness for the beekeepers, Dr. Daniel Mayer, a now retired bee expert from Washington State University, traveled to 17 different bee yards in North Dakota and observed dead bees and bees in the throes of what looked like Imidacloprid poisoning, he told me in 2008. He theorized that after foraging in planted fields where the seeds had been treated with Imidacloprid, the bees then brought the pesticide back to the hive, where it built up in the wax combs.


Brian White

Bayer are working very hard to keep their name out of the press.  Just read up thread about how much damage their product did in Baden Wuttenberg in one spring.   And guess what the Germans did?  They banned the product.

Americans and Canadians are waiting for absolute  "proof" from science.  Absolute proof does not exist in science.

And there is the whole wikileaks thing coming out.  The Bayer pesticide was ushered in without propper testing for the EPA

Brian White

Found this today.  An organization has a petition to ban the relevent pesticide now.

Countries with compitent independent environmental protection agencys have banned it as soon as they saw that it was wiping out bees.

America is of course very different.

http://www.change.org/pesticide_action_network_north_america/petitions/v...

Brian White

More Bayer bashing, this time in England, starts to give people an idea of the scale of the disaster.  "Silent spring" is only a few years away.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/nature_studies/nature-st...

and here is a pdf about how badly the tests were done before introducing the chemicals and it also has results of many tests on bees, mayflys and various other species who get destroyed by the nicotine like insecticides http://www.buglife.org.uk/Resources/Buglife/Neonicotinoid%20insecticides...

Noah_Scape

Ah, so this did morph into a "disappearing bees issue" eh? Good, here is an article from Huffington Post > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/bumble-bee-decline_n_803896.html

It isn't about WHY they are disappearing, it is that many species are declining and mostly for the same simple reasons: human activity, abuse of nature, toxins, etc.

But I will go one step further -

Many people are in denial about the facts, and about the bigger picture, the morality, the threat that the phenomenon of declining species represents.

On the other hand, and in growing numbers, are the people who are abandoning previously held notions about the role of humans on planet earth and the role of nature in human life. We better get this figured out before we lose it all...

 

 It becomes a spiritual journey for many of us to make those connections. Humans depend on nature and natural processes. We are often most content when in nature, away from machinery, etc. We are starting to realise that there is a negative energy attached to machinery and buildings. and that is actually does affect us, and that those effects can accumulate to cause "dis-ease" which often manifests as illness.

When we, if we, make the necessary changes and the bees come back, nature thrives once again, and we develop a "reality based spirituality" that includes the role of nature in humans and the role of humans on planet earth, we will be better off.

 

 

 

 

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Noah_Scape

CCD is probably a combination of factors, with virus and climate change and mites being a challenge to Bee health, but then add in the CHEMICAL TOXINS and the bees are in trouble. Pesticides are the tipping point for CCD.

So, conspiracy time!! The British bee assn has endorsed pesticides for a fee. Cheap. Risking the world's food production for the price of a slice and a tea....

Ho! To Wit: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22769

Quote: "The beekeepers' association's deal with the chemical companies had been running since 2001, and it received £17,500 a year for endorsing four pesticides: Bayer's Decis, BASF's Contest (also known as Fastac), Syngenta's Hallmark and Belchim's Fury."

 

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