Gaza Flotilla Stormed by Israel Part 4

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Hoodeet

Some random thoughts and questions in response to "righttolive":

Does rightolive call existence in Gaza under collective punishment "living"? 

Did he/she by any chance benefit from a scholarship from the Heseg Foundation as a foreign volunteer in the IDF --a practice that Canada and other countries need to question very seriously as a breach of loyalty-- or is she/he an Israeli who after serving in the IDF couldn't stand to live there any more and moved to Canada?

Is he/she aware of the huge increase in fundamentalism among IDF officers and soldiers and how it influences their attitude toward Arabs?  And does he/she think Israel is free of the threat that Turkey is facing, of the rise of fundamentalism?

Does he/she think that the continued illegal occupation of Palestinian lands and the influx of growing numbers of fanatical settlers who want to expel Arabs and claim for Israel the lands up to the Jordan (and perhaps beyond)  won't encourage the rise of fundamentalism in countries like Turkey?  If in fact Israel is genuinely interested in fighting fundamentalism, its actions are counterintuitive.

The rise of Hamas was encouraged by the Israelis as a counterweight and rival to the secular Fatah.in the 1980s.  Now they're demonized.

Hamas won the elections in Gaza and Israel & the US conspired to encourage armed Fatah resistance to Hamas taking power, and since then the MSM, Israel's echo chamber, have kept on repeating that Hamas took power in a bloody coup. 

Israel is still holding between 8000 and 9000 Palestinian prisoners, including minors, women and older people with health problems.  And it has prevented the 1.5 million inhabitants of Gaza from being independent, productive, or healthy.

Israel tortures and blackmails Palestinians (e.g., denying access to health care unless they agree to work for Israeli intelligence)  in order to turn them into spies against their own communities.

Israel has 200-300 nukes.

"right to live" is what Palestinians, like any other nation on earth, should have, but the crazy Zionists are denying them.

the point is not what Turkey did to the Armenians or what they have done and are doing to the Kurds.  NATO turns a blind eye, as it always has, to Turkey's domestic human rights violations and it also turns a blind eye to Israel's human rights violations.

And no, "we all" don't support Hamas and Turkey, but those of us who value Palestinian lives and independence are grateful that they speak and act on behalf of the population of Gaza, whom much of the world has conveniently forgotten or ignored.

The US and Canada, Israel's chief apologists, need to rethink their position, which is only emboldening Israel to continue on a path that is leading to terrible consequences, one way or another. 

If "righttolive" thinks that all this is anti-semitism, then pro-Zionist rhetoricians need to re-examine the logic of the favourite epithet they've chosen for their critics.  Bandying about the Shoah (and  exploiting the blessed memory of the victims of Naziism and of Western indifference) just won't work any more.  Revisionist historians in Israel, France and Britain --all Jews-- have published  evidence of  the cynical transactions of the Zionists in the 1930's and the brutality of the neo-fascists who were instrumental in setting up the state of Israel.   Therefore all the great things that Israeli scientists and humanitarians have done could be seen as the fruit of the poisoned tree.

Some Jews question the very foundations on which the State of Israel was established.  Others simply are horrified by the conduct of extremists recently.  Challenging the political entity called Israel does not make us anti-semites any more than a decree by an orthodox rabbi can deny us our Jewish identity because we don't conform to orthodox rules.

And I'm not asking for a reply from "righttolive".  Just asking her/him to reflect a little about the indefensible position of Israel, its Zionist shills and western imperialist supporters.

 

 

Bubbles

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Bubbles wrote:

But how are they going to board an airplane in flight?  And they are not foolish enough to shoot down a passenger plane that is on its way to Gaza to deliver, by airdrop, some fresh bagels from Montreal. 

 

Good idea but I thinkits one that would end badly for the aircraft crews.

Oh they'd shot them down alright... Problem is they could legally by international law shoot down an aircraft that violates their airspace and does not respond to their commands. Like it or not Israel has the right to defend its population from intruders. Just as those passengers, with our approval, used violence to defend themselves in international waters from those Israeli boarding parties Israel can claim the same thing in this situation. Aircraft can change course too fast and end up flying over Israel proper within minutes if not seconds from Gaza... who's to say they wouldn't change course and drop a few bombs along with some aid?

 

Sure there is some risk involved. But there seem to be a fair number of people thatsee inaction, on the scale of injustice perpetrated by Israel, as the greater risk. And they are probably right, I see Israel, after corporate power and the USA, as the third biggest obstacle towards a fairer world community.

Not that dropping bagels on Gaza is going to help the Gazans much in a direct way, but it would force Israel to decide if, a few thousand bagels braking the siege, is worth it shooting themselfs in the foot, by bringing down a plane. 

Frmrsldr

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Bubbles wrote:

But how are they going to board an airplane in flight?  And they are not foolish enough to shoot down a passenger plane that is on its way to Gaza to deliver, by airdrop, some fresh bagels from Montreal. 

Good idea but I thinkits one that would end badly for the aircraft crews.

Oh they'd shot them down alright... Problem is they could legally by international law shoot down an aircraft that violates their airspace and does not respond to their commands. Like it or not Israel has the right to defend its population from intruders. Just as those passengers, with our approval, used violence to defend themselves in international waters from those Israeli boarding parties Israel can claim the same thing in this situation. Aircraft can change course too fast and end up flying over Israel proper within minutes if not seconds from Gaza... who's to say they wouldn't change course and drop a few bombs along with some aid?

Your arguments are shot through full of holes.

In 2005, Israel withdrew all its soldiers and settlers from Gaza thereby giving Gaza sovereignty. In 2008-9, Israel waged an illegal war of aggression against the (preponderantly) civilian population of Gaza. The blockade of Gaza is illegal.

By the state of Israel's own standards, the sovereignty of Gaza is indeterminate: Israel claims that Gaza is sovereign or not whenever it suits Israel.

If Gaza is sovereign, then Israel has no legal right to prevent ships or planes from free travel and engaging in commerce with Gaza.

If Gaza is not sovereign and is part of the state of Israel's territory, then if Israel has the right to impose a 'blockade upon itself', then any other state also has a right to sanction/boycott Israel.

Even before the Mavi Marmara was boarded by Israeli Navy and Army personnel, the ship was exposed to violent military attacks. The Mavi Marmara was in international waters. Israel is therefore guilty of hijacking, assault, kidnapping and murder - i.e., piracy on the high seas.

Those who defended themselves on the Mavi Marmara with whatever they could get their hands on, had a right to do so according to international law. By using the full weight of its military and using deadly force, Israel violated the Principle of Proportionality as upheld by international law. The ships were inspected and declared to be free of both arms (missiles, rockets, mortars, grenades, RPGs, machine-guns, etc.) and individual weapons that could be personally used by passengers and crew (handguns, submachine guns, carbines, assault rifles, etc.) Israel was informed of this fact beforehand.

It's like the bank robber explaining to the police that the bank teller he murdered by firing multiple bullets at point blank range in her face is the criminal because she injured him by throwing a roll of pennies at him.

As for Israel shooting first, asking questions later concerning a civil aircraft that may have 'strayed' over Israeli airspace, just like the investigation of the Israeli murder spree, there needs to be an international investigation.

With an Israeli only investigation, it is too easy for Israeli authorities to plant weapons then say, "See, we were right!", with no one being any the wiser.

qbc76

I'm a newbie so I apologize for my ignorance..I have a question which is slightly off topic.

The first thing I noticed on the home page was a poll on Harper's reaction to Monday's mass murder.

According to this poll,the majority of people voted that Harper did 'the right thing and backed up Israel's right to protect itsself'

Is this the work of professional trolls or is this indeed the unanomous opinion of the majority of rabble members?

I'm just tipping my toe into the water to get a sense of the temperature.

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Popular Anger Grows As World Leaders Let Flotilla Killers Off the Hook

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/spip/spip.php?article1436

"With at least 9 young lives taken in international waters and the Middle East once again plunged into crisis, the so-called leaders of the world have done nothing but petition Israel to investigate and punish itself.."

Flotilla Raid Diary: 'A man is shot. I am seeing it happen..'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/05/flotilla-raid-henning-...

"The prize winning writer and creator of Wallander was among those on board the Gaza flotilla. Here he shares his private diary of the events leading up to ihs capture.."

Turkish Prosecutors Go After Israeli Politicians

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-212202-turkish-prosecutors-go-aft...

"Israel's prime minister, defense minister and chief of General Staff are among the prime suspects in an investigation initiated by Istanbul Bakirkay Prosecutor's Office into Monday's military operation against a Gaza bound civilian aid flotilla that left 9 peace activists, all of whom were Turkish citizens, dead.."

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Israel's Massacre at Sea

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jun2010/pers-j03.shtml

"Much of the criticism of this week's attacks on the aid convoy, including within Israel itself, has treated it as a 'botched' operation, an excessive use of force and a public relations fiasco. But this is not a matter of a government losing its head. The Netanyahu regime's policies are directed to a definite social political base, composed of religious extremists, right wing settlers and the most politically reactionary and layers within Israeli society. It's orientation is personified by the fascistic background and ideology of its foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman...

Deeply reactionary and in deep political crisis, the Israeli government is driven more to act as a global pyromaniac, threatening renewed wars against Syria and Lebanon and, according to a report in the London Times this week, sending submarines armed with nuclear missiles to the waters off Iran. The unconditional support [of Canada] and approximately $3Billion in annual aid to Israel bestowed by Washington - and continued under Obama - pose a mortal danger to people across the globe.

This is not a matter merely of a single outlaw regime, BUT OF A GENERAL DESCENT OF WORLD AFFAIRS INTO A STATE OF CRIMINALITY AND THE DISINTEGRATION OF ANY SEMBLANCE OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, WITH ISRAEL'S MAIN PATRON SETTING THE PATTERN.."

Israel's 'Friends' Also to Blame

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/06/20106162847943928.html

"It has never been about security. Not for one day. It has been about land and power. And this is where it has led. And we have made it possible..."

['Canada is so friendly that there is no need to convince or explain anything to anyone. We need allies like this in the international arena' Avigdor Lieberman]

['One of the most constructive and positive meetings that I've ever had with an international leader, we are at the apex of a bilateral Canada-Israel relationship' - Dalton McGuinty on Netanyahu]

 

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Israelis Celebrate IDF Flotilla Massacre Outside Turkish Embassy (vid)

http://morris108.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/israelis-celebrating-flotilla-...

Galloway: The Days Of The Zionist Apartheid Grip of Israel Are Now Numbered (vid)

http://www.morris108.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/the-days-of-the-zionist-ap...

Erdogan Plans Breaking Gaza Siege

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129221&sectionid=351020204

"He reportedly informed the US that he considers asking the Turkish Navy to accompany aid ships sailing to the Gaza Strip in the future, a plan Washington advised to delay.."

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IDF Admits Doctored Audio Tapes

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/56-news/1217-adf-admits-it-doctored-the-...

"The IDF admitted today in a press release that it doctored audio footage from its exchanges with the Gaza Flotilla in order to paint the flotilla passengers as anti-semites.."

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Further to the discussion of aid drops by airplane over Gaza:

excerpt: #7 in Notes

Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip, like those in the West Bank, continue to be subject to Israeli control. For example, Israel controls Gaza's air space, territorial waters, and all border crossings.

Skinny Dipper

Early this morning, I watched a BBC World program on the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa.  The one thing the movement did was to broaden its support against the apartheid régime in South Africa.  It sought support from European and North American church groups.  It sought support from European coutnries.  Sweden is one example. Eventually, the movement went mainstream.

While the supporters of the current anti-apartheid Israel campaign are progressing slowly, eventually, the campaign will need broader support.

First, the campaign needs to be define.  What is it about?  Is it about Hamas?  Is it about Israel?  Is it about Israel denying food for Palestinian children?  Is it about Israel denying food and materials which inhibits the growth of a democratic society in the West Bank and Gaza?  What empathetic connection can supporters make between the Palestinians and Canadians?  This is going to be very challenging when there are vast cultural differences between Palestinians and Canadians.  The pro-Israeli groups have an advantage in which its supporters share similar European cultural traits.  Call it ethno-centric or racist.  However, the pro-Israeli groups will exploit these similarities and differences.  Pro-Palestinian groups will need to find connections between Canadians and Palestinians.  Otherwise, the pro-Israeli groups will mount a campaign of "democrats vs. Islamo-fascists."

Years ago, when I campaigned for to change the Ontario voting system to MMP, my friends and I tried to frame the debate as improving voter choice for all voters: Conservative, Liberal, NDP, Green, and others.  We did not frame it as improving seats for the NDP and Green Party.  On the Israel-Palestine issue, pro-Palestinian/Israeli peace supporters will need to find reasons why centrist and right-of-centre Canadians should support a BDS campaign against Israel if that is what is needed.

What can Canadians do to support a BDS campaign?  I can't think of any Israeli products that I could boycott as I purchase so few of them.  I could boycott Israeli wines.  That's easy enough.  Then again, I don't buy Israeli wines anyway.  I could boycott travelling to Israel.  However, I have no interest in travelling there anyway.  If there aren't any Israeli products and services that I can boycott, which Canadian or American companies that do business extensively Israel can I boycott?  Which companies should be targetted?

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

I've had many discussions with jewish friends about the 'charities' registered in Canada that support the Israeli government and its military objectives. Of course, none of them expressly do so. They are promoted as building schools and funding parks, but each dollar donated allows the Israeli government to divert more money towards buying bullets, bombs and bulldozers to oppress the Palestinian people.

The charitable status of these groups should be stripped immediately.

al-Qa'bong

Frmrsldr wrote:

al-Qa'bong wrote:

We are acting the way we used to.  The only difference is that "Communists" have been replaced by "Terrorists" in our lexicon of bogeymen, and Palestinians are the original terrorists on that list.

Stevie-boy will be sending Israel an aid package any day now.

You know, of course, I was referring to sending humanitarian supplies to the Gazans, not sending any aid and abettance to Israel.

 

Ironic, huh?

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Skinny Dipper wrote:

  Which companies should be targetted?

 

Reading material to get you started:

 

BDS Consumer Boycott

 

From 2007: "Top Ten Brands to Boycott this Christmas"

(edited to just include material from BDS)

 

 

 

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NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

IDF Admits Doctored Audio Tapes

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/56-news/1217-adf-admits-it-doctored-the-...

"The IDF admitted today in a press release that it doctored audio footage from its exchanges with the Gaza Flotilla in order to paint the flotilla passengers as anti-semites.."

This is disgusting.

For those who don't know, IDF released audio tapes it said were protestors telling Israeli commandos to "go back to Auschwitz" over the radio.  Turns out they were fabricated by the IDF.

 

NDPP

NATO Could Not Have Been Unaware

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19557

"given the close ties between the Israeli forces and NATO, it is inconceivable that the latter had no foreknowledge of the operation.."

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Images putting the lie to Israeli propaganda

These images are in stark contrast to the Israeli lies being faithfully repeated by CBC today.

 

NDPP

Frustrated Mess wrote:

These images are in stark contrast to the Israeli lies being faithfully repeated by CBC today.

NDPP

"The predictable response of the Israeli army, as quoted in Haaretz, was that the 'published pictures serve as clear and unequivocal proof of Israel's repeated arguments that aboard the Mavi Marmara were mercenaries who intended to kill Israeli soldiers..' The pictures indicate nothing of the sort; if anything they show the opposite"

Shame on CBC for parroting the IDF Zionist script

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Quote:

Swedish dockworkers are set to launch a weeklong boycott of Israeli ships and goods to protest Monday's raid on a Gaza-destined aid flotilla, a union spokesman said Saturday.

Forbes

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Frustrated Mess]</p> <p>[quote wrote:

Swedish dockworkers are set to launch a weeklong boycott of Israeli ships and goods to protest Monday's raid on a Gaza-destined aid flotilla, a union spokesman said Saturday.

NDPP

Hope this kind of thing continues - more on this at #36

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[url=http://www.news24.com/World/Activist-Israelis-shot-web-man-20100606]Greek activist:[/url] IDF shot dead Turkish man who was uploading images to the internet.

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Israel's 'Assasination List'?

The Hijacking Of the Truth: Film Evidence 'Destroyed'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-hijacking-of-the...

"the protesters rummaged though captured soldiers' belongings and claimed to unearth a document that they allege is a list of people Israel intended to assassinate. The booklet, written in Hebrew and in English, contained some photographs of passengers on the Marmara, including the leader of IHH, the Turkish charity that provided two of the ships, an 88 year old priest and Ra'ad Salah, head of the northern branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel..

But one thing is fast becoming clear - many of the dead were shot multiple times at point-blank range. One was a journalist taking pictures..."

Star Spangled C...

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NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

IDF Admits Doctored Audio Tapes

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/56-news/1217-adf-admits-it-doctored-the-...

"The IDF admitted today in a press release that it doctored audio footage from its exchanges with the Gaza Flotilla in order to paint the flotilla passengers as anti-semites.."

This is disgusting.

For those who don't know, IDF released audio tapes it said were protestors telling Israeli commandos to "go back to Auschwitz" over the radio.  Turns out they were fabricated by the IDF.

 

They were not "fabricated". They were edited to enhance audio quality. Someone on the boat DID make that appalling comment. THe "admission of dcotoring" refers to them acknowledging that they reduced a 5 minute clip to 30 seconds or so so that the two comments could be heard close together and reduced background noise so that the comment would stand out. THe comments weren't inserted into the tapes. An audio expert from BBC did an independent evaluation and came to that conclusion.

NDPP

Israel Admits It Altered Flotilla Audio

http://jaredmalsin.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/israel-admits-it-altered-flo...

"...However, the release of the new 'unedited audio' raises further questions. In the 'unedited tape' the Israeli officer is heard radioing the 'Defne Y' another of the Turkish owned ships, not the Mavi Marmara. In the new audio released on Saturday, a man's voice came over the radio at 1:56 saying 'Yeah go ahead, navy.' Oddly, the same voice reappears at 2:24 saying the same thing. The intonation of his voice is the same in both places.

The Israeli military also did not explain the discrepancy between the video released on June 4th, and the one it released on May 31st which depicts the same Israeli soldier apparently on radio, in which the 'Auschwitz and 9/11 comments do not appear..."

Michelle

Well, then, I guess that means their crewmates deserved to be murdered with close-range shots to the head and back!  Thanks so much for clearing that up for us.

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Star Spangled Canadian wrote:

They were not "fabricated". They were edited to enhance audio quality. Someone on the boat DID make that appalling comment. THe "admission of dcotoring" refers to them acknowledging that they reduced a 5 minute clip to 30 seconds or so so that the two comments could be heard close together and reduced background noise so that the comment would stand out. THe comments weren't inserted into the tapes. An audio expert from BBC did an independent evaluation and came to that conclusion.

 

Was the BBC audio expert able to determine which ship the anti-Semitic comments came from? Did they come from one of the aid ships; one of the Israeli ships, or one of the many ships in the area at the time?

Since communications on ships are accomplished over open channels, there is no easy way to say for sure where any particular transmission might have come from.

It would not be unheard of to have "official or unofficial" agent provocateurs feed the required "sound bites" over the open channel to "set the scene" properly for Israeli propaganda consumption ... wouldn't be the first time Israeli plans went beyond simply military and moved into the "false flag" arena.

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

No Yards wrote:

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:

They were not "fabricated". They were edited to enhance audio quality. Someone on the boat DID make that appalling comment. THe "admission of dcotoring" refers to them acknowledging that they reduced a 5 minute clip to 30 seconds or so so that the two comments could be heard close together and reduced background noise so that the comment would stand out. THe comments weren't inserted into the tapes. An audio expert from BBC did an independent evaluation and came to that conclusion.

 

Was the BBC audio expert able to determine which ship the anti-Semitic comments came from? Did they come from one of the aid ships; one of the Israeli ships, or one of the many ships in the area at the time?

Since communications on ships are accomplished over open channels, there is no easy way to say for sure where any particular transmission might have come from.

It would not be unheard of to have "official or unofficial" agent provocateurs feed the required "sound bites" over the open channel to "set the scene" properly for Israeli propaganda consumption ... wouldn't be the first time Israeli plans went beyond simply military and moved into the "false flag" arena.

Any anti-semitic comments probably came from an Israeli as a deliberate "information warfare" tactic for the purposes of both demonizing  the peace activists while simutaneoulsy stoking emotions. What we have learned over and over again is that all info released by the IDF and Israeli government is released purely for propaganda and is proven over-and-over again to be half-truths or full-out lies.

NDPP

Ex UN Assistant Secretary General ask US State Department to rule on Israel's use of US Weapons

http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/resources/commentary-and-analysis/11...

"In his letter, Dr. Bourne asks the State Department 'to determine whether Israel's act of aggression on the high seas against the Gaza Freedom Flotilla constituted - internal security' or 'legitimate self defence' according to the terms of usage for US weapons as defined in the Act. In addition Mr. Bourne asks Mrs Clinton 'to investigate whether Israel's attack on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla violated international law generally or the UN Convention on the Laws of the Seas specifically.."

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The Deadly Closing of the Israeli Mind

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/ilan-papp-the-deadly-c...

"...at one time, Ehud Barack was Benjamin Netanyahu's commanding officer in the Israeli equivalent of the SAS [commandos]. More precisely, they served in a similar unit to the one sent to assault the Turkish ship last week. Their perception of the reality in the Gaza Strip is shared by other leading  members of the Israeli political and military elite, and is widely supported by the Jewish electorate..

And it is a simple take on reality. Hamas, although the only government in the Arab world elected democratically by the people, has to be eliminated as a political as well as a military force. This is not only because it continues the struggle against the 40 year Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip...but it is mainly due to the political opposition for the kind of 'peace' Israel wants to impose on the Palestinians..

The Palestinians are asked to give up their struggle for self determination and liberation in return for three small Bantustans under tight Israeli control and supervision. The official thinking in Israel, therefore is that Hamas is a formidable obstacle for the imposition of such a peace.."

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'The beginning of the end for Israel'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129195&sectionid=351020101

"The Israelis and Americans should know that the world has changed...This is very important. The whole world understood what happened there. They lost the game. In two or three days, the world's atmosphere changed. The whole world finally understood what has happened to the Muslims and Palestinians over the past 62 years.."

Erdogan: Open Gaza Prison

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129317&sectionid=35102024

The Turkish premier has reiterated his passionate criticism of the Israeli regime following its armed assault on a Gaza aid convoy that killed nine Turks. 'We shall stand firm until the blockade on Gaza is lifted, the massacres cease and the state terror in the Middle East is accounted for,' said Premier Tayyip Erdogan, AFP reports. 'Gaza is a historical cause for us,' he emphasized as the siege approaches its third anniversary. 'We object to those who force the people of Gaza to live in an open air prison..'

The Turkish Prosecutor's Office in Bakirkoy, Istanbul has already initiated an investigation in which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is considered the main suspect behind the assault. Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Chief of General Staff Gabi Ashkenazi are also regarded as potential perpetrators..'"

NDPP

Polunatic2 posted this excellent doco to the Leonard Cohen thread. Definitely worth a view:

Children Of Gaza

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25633.htm

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"We disagree with the widespread claims that this was the result of an intelligence rift," said the officers. "In addition, we do not accept claims that this was a 'public relations failure' and we think that the plan was doomed to failure from the beginning."

"First and foremost, we protest the fact that responsibility for the tragic results was immediately thrust onto the organizers of the flotilla," wrote the officers. "This demonstrates contempt for the responsibility that belongs principally to the hierarchy of commanders and those who approved the mission. This shows contempt for the values of professionalism, the purity of weapons and for human lives."

Israel Navy reserves officers: Allow external Gaza flotilla probe

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Rachel Corrie's parents [url=http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0607/1224272004146.html]c... activists on ship named in their daughter's honour.

Frmrsldr

Frustrated Mess wrote:

"This demonstrates contempt for the responsibility that belongs principally to the hierarchy of commanders and those who approved the mission.

Max Blumenthal wrote:

Statements by senior Israeli military commanders made in the Hebrew media days before the massacre revealed that the raid was planned over a week in advance by the Israeli military and was personally approved by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Minister of Defense Ehud Barak. The elite Israeli commando unit known as Unit 13 was tasked with carrying out the mission and its role was known by the Israeli public well before the raid took place. Details of the plan show that the use of deadly force was authorized and calculated. The massacre of activists should not have been unexpected.

On May 28, three days before the raid, top Israeli military officials revealed details of their strategy to Maariv, Israel's most widely circulated paper. The caption of the Maariv article reflected the military command's plan to use force: "On the way to violence; one of the boats is on its way."

http://www.maxblumenthal.com/2010/06/the-flotilla-raid-was-not-bungled-t...

 

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Why Did Israel Attack Civilians in the Mediterranean?

http://www.voltairenet.org/article165593.html

"What were its objectives in triggering a world diplomatic crisis, and why did it defy its Turkish ally as well as its US protector?"

Frmrsldr

Jason Ditz wrote:

... an unnamed Israeli staff-sergeant, who claims proudly to have single-handedly killed at least six of the civilian aid workers.

The staff-sergeant says he has no doubt everyone on board was a "terrorist" and claimed there were secretly dozens of "hardcore mercenaries" on board.

The staff-sergeant's story is being well received in Israel, where the killings have been lionized by a sympathetic media and by government officials eager to cash in on the latest jingoistic craze. He is now being praised for "stabilizing the situation" and is being considered for a medal of valor for his killings.

The Israeli military insists that, far from the straightforward massacre of civilians that it appears to be, they are the victims of a massive conspiracy to frame them, and that 50 "well trained" Turks with communication devices, who they said were likely ex-military, were on board shooting and throwing grenades at them. The fact that no grenades or guns or communication devices or, indeed, "terrorists" were found on board is being claimed as another coverup, that after the massacre the "terrorists" somehow had the presence of mind to throw all the evidence overboard. Exactly how they all disappeared themselves is unclear, but not a single captive was charged with any crime.

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/06/04/israeli-commando-considered-for-medal...

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Now read this: You will have no protection by Alice Walker.

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Further Evidence Emerges of Israel's Criminal Attack on Gaza aid flotilla

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jun2010/isra-j07.shtml

"According to Patel, 48 other people were suffering from gunshot wounds and six people were still missing. This raises urgent questions. How is it possible that six people are still unaccounted for nearly one week after the raid?

If they are in hospitals, why have their names, their whereabouts and injuries not been released and their families informed? If they are dead, where are their bodies?"

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Was the Obama Administration Involved in the Planning of the Israeli Attack on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20100...

"The Israeli Commando had an explicit order to kill. What was the role of the United States?"

IRGC Ready to Escort Gaza Aid Ships

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129275&sectionid=351020101

"Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) has expressed readiness to escort aid convoys seking to pierce the three-year Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip...'In the wake of (last week's) unfair attack, it is Iran's duty to defend the innocent people of Gaza. Iran's naval forces are ready to escort the peace flotilla to Gaza with all their powers and capabilities'"

 

 

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OIC Chief Calls For Action Against Israel After Ship Attack

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-212354-oic-chief-calls-for-action...

Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) Secretary General  Ekmleddin Ihsanoglu has called for an independent, neutral, trustworthy and transparent inquiry in line with international standards to investigate the bloody attack against an international aid convoy sailing to Gaza...'Israel must face the political and legal consequences of its crimes,' he added. The commandos storming the ship is an attack on civilians from 32 countries, representing many faiths and religions. Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu also said in a speech at the meeting that the Israeli strike was a 'determining moment' for the region's history, calling the incident 'Turkey's September 11.' Davutoglu added: 'It will have a deep influence on our regional and global point of view and both neither will be the same again.'

Minister Cicek: Turkish Citizens Were Subjected to Torture

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-212345-minister-cicek-turkish-cit...

"The Turkish citizens who were injured or killed were subjected to serious torture and this much is evident from traces left on their bodies as well as from bullet shots, most of which were fired at close range,' Cicek said. 'This is a crime committed against humanity. Where is Amnesty International to investigate this act of torture and inhumane treatment? They rush to Turkey when there are reports of torture - they should also be sensitive over the raid on the activists by Israeli commandos, Cicek said.

Cicek also called on the 32 nations that had citizens on board the ships carrying humanitarian aid to defend their legal rights..

[Canada had 3. Will it pursue the rights of its nationals or protect Israel? Will our MSM even raise the issue?]

[Sweden's Foreign Minister] Bildt Says Israel Needs Int'l Community to Get Out of Mess

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-212358-bildt-says-israel-needs-in...

"I'm pretty certain this is a violation of international law,' Bildt underlined, adding that his experts agree on this point that the actions were an infraction of international law. They are telling me that this is a straight forward case of violation, Bildt said...

This is an international 'diplomatic crisis, not an issue between two or three countries. We are still in crisis mode and interviewing our citizens who participated. Bildt also said the EU would further consider tackling the issue in an upcoming Summit of EU leaders, to be held in Brussels on June 17..."

These very important developments in a very important international story, are not being covered in any serious way by the domestic mainstream media in Canada. Good dog Canada.

Hoodeet

Today (June 7) the French daily  l'Humanité has a special issue on Gaza.

www.humanite.fr

freedomfinder freedomfinder's picture

Tragic was not what I want from Obummer I want him to cut all ties with Israel along with the $10 billion annualy in cash and $5 billion in arms.Liz Cheney is on her way to hell with the rest of the Bush and Obummer Admins anyways.

Hoodeet

from counterpunch.org, June 7.  US marine defended the Mavi Marmara:

June 7, 2010

Reflections by a Former US Marine on the Mavi Marmara
On Cowardice and Violence

By KEN O'KEEFE

Istanbul 

In 2002 I initiated the TJP Human Shield Action to Iraq because I knew that the  invasion of Iraq had been planned well in advance, that it was  part of a 'Global Spectrum Dominance' agenda as laid out by the  Project For A New American Century.  I knew that protests had no chance of stopping the invasion, and that largely these protests were just a way of making us feel better about the coming mass  murder; by being able to say "I protested against it." With that understanding I argued that the only viable way to stop the  invasion was to conduct a mass migration to Iraq.  A migration in which people from around the world, especially western citizens,  would position themselves at sites in Iraq that are supposed to be  protected by international law, but which are routinely bombed  when it is only Iraqi, Palestinian, generally non-white, western  lives who will be killed.  I felt 10,000 such people could stop the invasion, or at the very least, expose the invasion for what  it was from the start, an act of international aggression, a war  crime and a crime against humanity.

I have for many years understood that we, people of conscience,  are the true holders of power in this world.  Frustratingly however we have largely relinquished that power and failed to  reach our full potential.  Our potential to create a better world,  a just world.  Nonetheless I have conspired with others of like  mind to reveal and exercise our true power. 

When our two double decker busses travelled from London to Baghdad  through Turkey, it was ever clear that the people of Turkey also  could sense the power of this act, and they were the biggest  participants in it.  In the end we did not get the numbers  required to stop the war, with at least one million Iraqi's dead  as a result, but I remain convinced that it was within our power  to prevent the invasion.  A massive opportunity lost as far as I  am concerned.  

In 2007 I joined the Free Gaza Movement with its plan to challenge  the blockade of Gaza by travelling to Gaza by sea.  From the  moment I heard of the plan I knew it could succeed and ultimately  I served as a captain on the first attempt. The Israeli  government said throughout our preparation that we were no better  than pirates and they would treat us as such.  They made clear we  would not reach Gaza.  And still I knew we could succeed.  And we  did.  Two boats with 46 passengers from various countries managed  to sail into Gaza on August 23, 2010; this was the first time this  had been done in 41 years. 

The truth is the blockade of Gaza is  far more than three years old, and yet we, a small group of  conscientious people defied the Israeli machine and celebrated  with tens of thousands of Gazans when we arrived that day.  We  proved that it could be done.  We proved that an intelligent plan,  with skilled manipulation of the media, could render the full  might of the Israeli Navy useless.  And I knew then that this was  only the tip of the iceberg.  

So participating in the Freedom Flotilla is like a family reunion  to me.  It is my long lost family whose conscience is their guide,  who have shed the fear, who act with humanity.  But I was  especially proud to join IHH and the Turkish elements of the  flotilla.  I deeply admire the strength and character of the  Turkish people, despite your history having stains of injustice,  like every nation, you are today from citizen to Prime Minister  among the leaders in the cause of humanity and justice.  

I remember being asked during the TJP Human Shield Action to Iraq  if I was a pacifist, I responded with a quote from Gandhi by  saying I am not a passive anything.  To the contrary I believe in  action, and I also believe in self-defence, 100 per cent, without  reservation.  I would be incapable of standing by while a tyrant  murders my family, and the attack on the Mavi Marmara was like an  attack on my Palestinian family.  I am proud to have stood  shoulder to shoulder with those who refused to let a rogue Israeli  military exert their will without a fight.

And yes, we fought.

When I was asked, in the event of an Israeli attack on the Mavi  Marmara, would I use the camera, or would I defend the ship?  I  enthusiastically committed to defence of the ship.  Although I am  also a huge supporter of non-violence, in fact I believe  non-violence must always be the first option.  Nonetheless I  joined the defence of the Mavi Mamara understanding that  violence could be used against us and that we may very well be  compelled to use violence in self defence.  

I said this straight to Israeli agents, probably of Mossad or Shin  Bet, and I say it again now, on the morning of the attack I was  directly involved in the disarming of two Israeli Commandos.  This  was a forcible, non-negotiable, separation of weapons from  commandos who had already murdered two brothers that I had seen  that day.  One brother with a bullet entering dead center in his  forehead, in what appeared to be an execution. 

I knew the commandos were murdering when I removed a 9mm pistol from one of  them.  I had that gun in my hands and as an ex-US Marine with training in the use of guns it was completely within my power to  use that gun on the commando who may have been the murderer of one  of my brothers.  But that is not what I, nor any other defender of  the ship did.  I took that weapon away, removed the bullets,  proper lead bullets, separated them from the weapon and hid the  gun.  I did this in the hopes that we would repel the attack and  submit this weapon as evidence in a criminal trial against Israeli  authorities for mass murder.  I also helped to physically separate one commando from his assault  rifle, which another brother apparently threw into the sea. 

I and hundreds of others know the truth that makes a mockery of the  brave and moral Israeli military.  We had in our full possession, three completely disarmed and helpless commandos.  These boys were at our mercy, they were out of reach of their fellow murderers,  inside the ship and surrounded by 100 or more men.  I looked into  the eyes of all three of these boys and I can tell you they had  the fear of God in them.  They looked at us as if we were them,  and I have no doubt they did not believe there was any way they  would survive that day.  They looked like frightened children in  the face of an abusive father.  

But they did not face an enemy as ruthless as they.  Instead the  woman provided basic first aid, and ultimately they were released,  battered and bruised for sure, but alive.  Able to live another  day.  Able to feel the sun over head and the embrace of loved  ones.  Unlike those they murdered.  Despite mourning the loss of  our brothers, feeling rage towards these boys, we let them go.    

The Israeli prostitutes of propaganda can spew all of their  disgusting bile all they wish, the commandos are the murderers, we  are the defenders, and yet we fought.  We fought not just for our  lives, not just for our cargo, not just for the people of  Palestine, we fought in the name of justice and humanity.  We were  right to do so, in every way.

While in Israeli custody I, along with everyone else was subjected  to endless abuse and flagrant acts of disrespect.  Women and  elderly were physically and mentally assaulted.  Access to food  and water and toilets was denied.  Dogs were used against us, we  ourselves were treated like dogs.  We were exposed to direct sun  in stress positions while hand cuffed to the point of losing  circulation of blood in our hands.  We were lied to incessantly,  in fact I am awed at the routineness and comfort in their ability  to lie, it is remarkable really.  We were abused in just about  every way imaginable and I myself was beaten and choked to the  point of blacking out... and I was beaten again while in my cell.   In all this what I saw more than anything else were cowards... and  yet I also see my brothers.  Because no matter how vile and wrong  the Israeli agents and government are, they are still my brothers  and sisters and for now I only have pity for them.  Because they are relinquishing the most precious thing a human being has, their  humanity. 

In conclusion; I would like to challenge every endorser of Gandhi,  every person who thinks they understand him, who acknowledges him  as one of the great souls of our time (which is just about every  western leader), I challenge you in the form of a question.   

Please explain how we, the defenders of the Mavi Mamara, are not  the modern example of Gandhi's essence?  But first read the words  of Gandhi himself.   I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice  and violence, I would advise violence.... I would rather have  India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she  should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness  to her own dishonour. - Gandhi   And lastly I have one more challenge. I challenge any critic of  merit, publicly, to debate me on a large stage over our actions  that day.  I would especially love to debate with any Israeli leader  who accuses us of wrongdoing, it would be my tremendous pleasure  to face off with you.  All I saw in Israel was cowards with guns,  so I am ripe to see you in a new context.  I want to debate with  you on the largest stage possible.  Take that as an open challenge  and let us see just how brave Israeli leaders are.

Ken O'Keefe is a former US Marine and Gulf War veteran.

NDPP

Israel Declares US Citizen on Aid Ship a 'Terrorist'

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/06/israel-declares-us-citizen-on-aid-ship-a...

"Among the official 'terrorists' named by the Israeli military but mysteriously already released was US citizen and long-time antiwar activist Kevin OKeefe.."

Israel Hasbara Fails Again: Photos Show Mavi Marmara Passengers Protecting, Aiding Israeli Soldiers

http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/blog-post-israel-hasbara-fails-again-pi...

"Captured, disarmed hijackers did not face 'lynching' as Israel claimed.."

Our Enemies, the Israelis

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/06/06/our-enemies-the-israelis/

"Again I ask the question. What do the Israelis have on our politicians..?"

NDPP

Canadian Activist Says He Hid Photos of Flotilla Raid During Israeli Detention

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/canadian-activist-s...

"Canadian activist Kevin Neish says he was able to smuggle photos off a flotilla of ships that were raided by Israeli troops off the Gaza coast last week. Neish's photos are being published today in the Arab world. Neish says he saw many badly injured people and two dead people with what he says were small-calibre bullet holes in their heads, leading him to believe they were executed.."

NDPP

Vatican Blasts Israeli Occupation

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129324&sectionid=351020202

"The Vatican has lashed out at the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories while blaming Christian fundamentalists for using scriptures to justify the occupation.."

maybe Canada's Catholics will begin to move on this now...?

KeyStone

As we all know, anyone who objects to what Israel is doing, must be a terrorist. It will be curious to see if the two sycophants actually have the courage to refuse B'Nai Brith, or if they continue to obey their every whim. Let the pandering begin.

TORONTO, June 7, 2010 – B’nai Brith Canada has called on the Government of Canada to designate IHH, the radical Turkish Islamist organization behind the Gaza Flotilla incident, as a terrorist entity.  David Matas, renowned international human rights lawyer and B’nai Brith’s honourary senior legal counsel, laid out the justification for the designation in a brief sent to both Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Leader of the Opposition Michael Ignatieff. The brief, which was based on numerous credible reports, highlighted the IHH’s links to the global jihadi movement, its close ties to Hamas, its support for Al-Qaeda, and its connection to various terror plots.

“We have contacted both Prime Minister Harper and the Leader of the Opposition to call on them to act against IHH without delay,” said Frank Dimant, Executive Vice President of B’nai Brith Canada.  The IHH, the radical Islamist organization which came to everyone’s attention when it organized the violent Gaza Flotilla incident against the Jewish State recently, has a long history of involvement with and links to Islamist terrorist organizations which clearly justify its inclusion of the list of designated terrorist entities. Designating the IHH as a terrorist entity would clearly fit with the Harper administration's public safety platform, and we fully expect that the Liberal Party, under the stewardship of Mr. Ignatieff, will support this undertaking.”

“There is more than enough information on the public record about IHH to raise real concern that this organization uses humanitarian aid as a front or cover to pursue a terrorist agenda,” said David Matas, Honourary Senior Legal Counsel of Bnai Brith Canada.  “Because of the IHH’s connection to the Canadian-linked Millennium Bomber terrorist plot, Canada should pay special attention to the threat that this organization could pose.

“Listing the IHH as a designated terrorist entity now would also serve as a timely reminder that the Gaza Flotilla incident was far from a humanitarian operation. IHH was rather using the cover of humanitarianism to poke a hole in an arms blockade against Hamas, a terrorist organization which the IHH has very strong ties to.”

Polunatic2

Has Israel seen to the delivery of all the materials on the 6 other ships that they labeled as "peaceful"? I didn't think so. 

Cytizen H

I could be mistaken, but I believe I read that Hamas refused delivery of whatever Israel saw fit to deliver.

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