Coalition window is closing, says Persichilli

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ottawaobserver

Anyone who would make the perfect the enemy of the good, has convinced himself that his own moral superiority is more important than the gains that can come from negotiation and compromise.  This is how wars are started, not how they're ended.

Geoff

Don't know if anyone saw the news item on the National last night about Paul Martin's admirers in the UK and Europe, the result of his record of slashing spending to keep Bay St. and Wall St. happy.  Seems the UK's Tory PM, David Cameron, thinks Martin's scorched earth economics is the perfect model for Britain today. 

Based on their actual record in power, can someone explain to me how the Liberals could possibly be considered a legitimate part of any coalition of the "left".  If we're okay with including the Libs, then I propose that former Ontario Premier, Mike Harris, lead the coalition into the next election, since he championed the same left-wing economic policies as Paul Martin.  

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ottawaobserver wrote:

Anyone who would make the perfect the enemy of the good, has convinced himself that his own moral superiority is more important than the gains that can come from negotiation and compromise.  This is how wars are started, not how they're ended.

What kind of double speak is that? Are you saying that the NDP was up until now making "the perfect the enemy of the good"? If ending the war in Afghanistan was such a terrible exercise of false "moral superiority", then why the hell was the NDP ever calling for it in the first place?

And what "gains" are you talking about? Do you think that once the NDP decides to bargain away peace for power there is anything else that they won't bargain away?

Shouldn't they at least take this new set of NDP policies to a convention and ask the NDP membership if becoming a war party is what they want for the NDP?

What a joke ... are your principles only dependent upon what the NDP leadership tells you they are? Are you saying that you were never that big on peace and ending useless wars in the first place?

 

NorthReport

It appears it is the Liberals that are being hung out to dry over this coalition nonsense.  Harper continues to work his magic and control the agenda.

No Yards No Yards's picture

You can relax OO, you don't have to really apologize for the NDP  .... yet ... those were just what the NDP was going to do the last time there was talk of a merger ... it is another example of the lack of any principle you can trust the NDP to uphold, but so far it's only a principle they have said they will toss at the first sniff of power, and not one they have actually tossed as yet.

ottawaobserver

I don't play with bullies, NY.  Nice try.

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Bullies? You mean like when someone tries to make their point with this kind of bullying?

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Anyone who would make the perfect the enemy of the good, has convinced himself that his own moral superiority is more important than the gains that can come from negotiation and compromise.  This is how wars are started, not how they're ended.

Or am I to assume you were trying to be nice to me and were afraid to hurt my feelings with an actual rational argument explaining why supporting a war that was always considered immoral and unnecessary could suddenly be a negoiatable principle ... and totally unrelated to the possibility of gaining power.

NDPism ... it's not what it used to be.

 

mybabble

Geoff I did see the news last night and I did see Smartie Martie getting all the credit for bringing down the debt.  But no one talked about the hundreds of millions of millions of dollars that went awash while Martie was also in power.  What did Martin have to say about the whole big advertising scandal well he didn't have a clue as I can recall.  And now Smartie Martie  is an expert on the economy or is it an expert on diverting funds so no one gets caught, I'm not sure it was Martin who had the strings to the public pursue and I'm certain Martie still thinks taxpayers dollars are his.

ottawaobserver

From what we now know of Martin's congenital inability to say No to anyone, it was most likely Chretien's legacy rather than his.  At least he didn't try too hard to pretend otherwise in the interview last night.

My goodness, NY, I think it's a good thing this thread's window is about to close, as well ...

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mybabble

NorthReport wrote:

It appears it is the Liberals that are being hung out to dry over this coalition nonsense.  Harper continues to work his magic and control the agenda.

Harper's magic with the press well that isn't that magical as more dark and dirty as the press tells it like it isn't.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

I dunno if anyone has noticed this, but I thought Duceppe was very amusing on whether Ignatieff supported a coalition:

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"It's tough to understand," said Duceppe. "Is he for, is he against or just the opposite?"

lol.

 

Maysie Maysie's picture

No Yards, don't make that "joke" on babble re. wife beating, for oh so many reasons.

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