Demand for G-20 public inquiry - Part 2

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Tue, 2010-06-29 22:00

observer521

What is so cynical about this, is that those bb-vandals, whoever they were, are not dumb. They were not picked up at Queen Park. They saw the riot-police army, and would slink away.

Who gets hammered? Its the idealistic kids, who go to the front, as they BELIEVED they had the right to free speech, and assembly, as they were told in the weeks before.

As an observer, just living in the city, and with some experience, I could see the hundreds of riot-troops massing on College, it was like WWIII. It crossed my mind there could be live shots fired if something happened, as the ETF was there too.

So out of being concerned, I did go near the front, and tried to tell a few young people to be careful, as this was not a "protest" anymore, it could literally turn into a tragedy. Saldy, to a person, the younger people would say..."they can't come up here, this is the free speech zone"...etc. Then later, those were the same folks who ended up under horses hooves, and knocked from behind, and thrown in a cage without charge.

Contrary to the police lies, the experienced bb-vandals, were long gone, whoever the bb-vandals were. This is why the TO Gitmo was full of young girls, and teens, students, reporters. They were the easy targets that the cops went after, as the kids believed they had a right to free assembly, and the reporters also thought it was their job to be there.

This thing was not a fuck-up. After looking at every side of it very carefully, this was a planned operation, top down, and done with military precision.

Propagandize the public for months and scare them. Plan to allow a huge protest, and then plan to allow the fringe group of vandals to trash the city unopposed by police for a least a few hours, as they did. Then call out the Robocop riot-troops to "restore order", and come down on everyone, especially the easy targets like kids. A special target are those "reporters" who think they are such hot-shit, with their cameras, they'll learn a lesson too, from the state. How many reporters are going to do their job next time? Or will they stay in their offices, like most senior reporters did in this assault? Notice how the senior reporters did not end up in TO Gitmo, they saw what was happening, and went north for the weekend.

How many female reporters are going to risk going to the front next time, after these strip-search tactics, throwing people in cages with no bathrooms with doors, sexual and rape threats, and all of the other Gitmo style intimidation? That was all deliberate stuff, to scare people for next time. As well, power corrupts, and when they give someone too much power, they are going to act out.

Its a crime against Canada what has happened in Toronto. The real fear is that this will be standard procedure from now on.

Tue, 2010-06-29 22:29

#103

cruisin_turtle

The most disturbing aspect of the events is not the police indiscriminately rounding up innocent people or mistreating them. This happens often and is kind of expected. The part in Observer's story that is truly disturbing, and which I observed personally, is watching the police allow their city to be trashed while they stood by in large numbers doing nothing. I think this is called treason; the highest crime in the land.

Tue, 2010-06-29 22:47

#104

Doug

Tommy_Paine wrote:

Banksy was in Toronto recently. We're a creative bunch, take a page from his style, and stencil the city crazy with whatever you can think of, so people never forget.

Would that the G20 graffiti were closer to his standard.

Tue, 2010-06-29 22:51

#105

observer521

What is also interesting, is that there is a mechanism for "police complaints" for single incidents. That will go on for years, and be diffuse.

But there is no way to really deal with the problem at the top, which created the entire system. Its obvious, this is the kind of Canada that Harper wants. Harper doesn't like Toronto, of course, especially urban Toronto. So he used Canada's money, to bring a security state to downtown Toronto. Strike at the heart of the Toronto beast.

They planned to allow civil unrest by allowing the vandals to run wild for a few hours. An order from the police commanders stopped any police from doing anything, for miles and hours, for dozens of blocks. Why doesn't someone ask Bill Blair why he allowed a series of break-and-enters for 3 hours across dozens of blocks of the city? They let it happen, of course. They were watching it on their cameras.

I happened to see many of the bb-morons by Spadina massing, something was up. Of course the police would have had high-powered cameras on that group of people massing, and so they knew what was coming in the hour build-up. They saw it, and they did nothing. They saw them going toward Yonge, and did not even send 50 police to Yonge. Its proven they told police to retreat. They could have send 300 cops right at the vandals, and it would have ended right there. But no, better to let them vandalize for a few hours, for the media.

The horrible thing is, that its possible that this is going to work for the security state. Its probable the media propaganda war is going to work, and this might give Harper and the police state tactics higher numbers in Canada. As they have been able to frame it for the casual viewer as "anarchists" trying to take over the city. And they were able to put millions into fear and lockdown, by letting a few dozen 100 lbs punks break some windows for a few hours.

They can do that again, any time they want. All they have to do, is order the police to stand back, and let a few vandals run around for a while. Then claim the city is being taken over by anarchists, and crack-down with martial law tactics.

That is power. That must be why those in power, love power so much. They can do almost anything they want. They can use public money, to try to socially re-engineer Toronto, simply by letting a few dozens vandals run around for a few hours. Then send in the shock-troops to put down the fake-revolution, and arrest everyone without charge, and throw them in a cage.

Message sent.

Next time, who wants to end up stripped-searched in a cage to the point of hypothermia, with verbal threats of sexual violence, and a broken wrist?

The state has tried to roll the clock back, and they have succeeded to a point. They would love to do a lot more too.

How this was handled, as seen first hand on the streets, is the biggest sham I have ever seen in my entire life. And it all started for me, personally, in front of my home, when a random cop began to question me and order me to leave, for no reason. That led to trying to find out what was going on, and the answer is almost unbelievable.

This exercise has taught anyone involved even as an observer, to fear the cops and the system, as they can and will do what they are ordered to do, or want to do in some cases. The traumatization of innocent people who were attacked has not set in yet. People will be afraid to peacefully protest, afraid of the door getting knocked down in the middle of the night, afraid of getting snatched without cause into a van, and thrown into a cage, afraid of getting their head busted with a club.

Toronto has changed, the raw power of unchecked police and state and political power has been felt on home soil. Now the cover-up and propaganda war is going full-tilt.

Frankly, I think some of the politicos are AFRAID to speak up, as they don't want to get their name on the list of agitators, so they want to keep their head down too.

Tue, 2010-06-29 22:53

#106

edmundoconnor

*thread drift* Come on, Banksy's artwork here was nothing but a cheap publicity stunt for his movie. Even he's sold out.

Tue, 2010-06-29 23:25

#107

writer

There actually is a good image going up. Life-sized stencil of Harper as a riot cop, with the badge #900 - for the number of those detained.

Tue, 2010-06-29 23:29

#108

writer

Harper riot cop badge #900 / torontoist

Tue, 2010-06-29 23:54

#109

skdadl

writer, how do we credit that stencil and photo if we use it elsewhere? (And may we?) I take it the photo is torontoist?

Wed, 2010-06-30 00:31

#110

cruisin_turtle

I saw Bill Blair on tv pass by a crowd of people shouting "Bill Blair's got to go" and a reporter asked him what he thinks, he had a big grin on his face and replied "I don't care what they think".

I think his statement is a fitting title for a new thread as this one is getting too long. Somebody could start a new forum:

"Blair doesn't care what Torontonians think."

Wed, 2010-06-30 00:44

#111

No Yards

What I really want to know is if it's true what many people are claiming that the first priority of the police was to protect the G20 summit?

If it is, then I think that the idea that our police, in our city, in our country, can be given a higher priority than protecting the people of that city and country, is a completely unconstitutional, not to mention completely immoral, priority to be given or followed.

To me that amounts to nothing less than treason. And what's worst, they treated many of the people they were really morally and constitutionally mandated to protect, with less respect and civility than they would a "common murderer" in a regular situation.

Wed, 2010-06-30 01:49

#112

wage zombie

writer wrote:

I will add here that the scruffy guy using the car's radio has been identified by activisits as a plainclothes officer that was seen often through the weekend.

If you are talking about the scruffy looking guy featured prominently in this video (said to be putting out the fire):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi-Q11MKx1g&feature=player_embedded

Then I can tell you that he is absolutely not a plainclothes officer.

Wed, 2010-06-30 01:54

#113

cruisin_turtle

No Yards wrote:

What I really want to know is if it's true what many people are claiming that the first priority of the police was to protect the G20 summit?

If it is, then I think that the idea that our police, in our city, in our country, can be given a higher priority than protecting the people of that city .. To me that amounts to nothing less than treason.

Good point. I saw 2 videos, 1 on cbc and the other on cp24, in which regular people physically tackle vandals to stop them. They did this at the risk of their own safety. They aren't paid to do this job like the officers on the side streets close by.

What's more, these regular people/heros were the type that the police arrested and mistreated. I feel bad for what's happening to our good city by a few corrupted elite backed by the media bosses.

Wed, 2010-06-30 03:02

#114

opinionator

[[[[Quote:

"You're right, Michelle. There is much confused thought out there. Like the little column and picture of Gary Robert Tinnes plopped into the Cambridge Times today, which begins:"A protester is a protester and they should all be included in the same category as the militants and Black Bloc hooligans. All of the pathetic whiners should look in the mirror and think to themselves what the hell they are thinking prior to attending one of these events.

Gary never gets around to explaing just why it isn't free, or how he can defend free speech but not the pathetic whiners. And this throwaway tri-weekly comes to damned near every door in town. Thinking people no longer rail against the drivel that the Times will publish to assuage its many advertisers. But Tinman must know that he will be held to more demanding standards of logic hereabouts......]]]

I'll bet you didn't think that I would find internet posted objections to "MY OPINION". My opinion DID NOT have to explain why the world isn't free anymore, and why would I defend those who I am opinioned against? That would be pretty stupid on my part when trying to get my opinion across. Now, from what I gather you MAY seem to imply that I am not a "thinking" person, and in this world that would be called "defamination". Just because the "TIMES" posts articles you may disagree with, does not mean it is "drival". I could easily say the same about your internet post (without a picture I might add, as you seemed to find it important to mention about my photo in the article in the local printed newspaper) but I wont because I respect other opinions, so I will either disagree or agree and go from there.

Now, incase you think I can't think, let me assure you that I can think, hence the ability to compose and send an opinion article to the newspaper, so please watch your apparent behind the back implications, unless you wanna ensure you clarify that it is your "opinion" of me. My opinion/article had nothing to do with how anyone's rights were violated, or how the police treated individuals, I was not there to judge but with that said, I did see it on the television. I don't even think mentioning it in this thread had any relevance to the thread. My opinion was regarding how "all protesters" should be held responsible for their actions and damage when they are protesting, mostly due to that fact that the violent protesters only come out when the large protesting groups are there to assist with cover of their cheap little acts of vandalism. Would they come out on their own? Probably not.

My opinion on what you seemed to want out of me (the part in your post where you mentioned, "Gary never gets around to explaining.........") is as follows, if you wanna go out and protest at a high security convention then you are subjecting yourself to the mercy of our important law enforcement personnel. When protesters prance around and mock the police, burn their police cars (or as seen many times, cheering for the damage and mocking) and chant "let them go" and try to instigate "police brutality" then when those protesters get arrested then they will get what is coming to them and for the most part I do not feel sorry for them. The better idea would be to stay the heck away from high security events if you don't want to be hassled or mistreated. Did protesters ever think of doing something positive like go out help homeless people during the G20 and showing their dedication, rather then just walking in a large group and protesting to the government... a lost cause? What did they think, Obama for instance would just think, "wow a group of 20000 protesters, lets invite them in for dinner and give them what they want"? If I ran down the 401 with a sign saying "get rid of the highways" and I got run over, would you feel sorry for me? Most likely not (unless you suspected I was not all there in the head), you would probably call me a crazy idiot who ended up dead like the other "crazy idiots" who-end-up-dead in this world. Many protesters were angry of the price the government had set for the G8&20, but in the end they only helped justify it by the heavy protesting, which indeed called for a high law enforcement presence. My opinion that they are "pathetic" came from how many of them were probably just out for he show, the respect, the brownie points from peers? Why pick the G20 to have such a large gathering? Where are the LARGE protesting crowds every other day? Seems more and more like an attemped huge publicity stunt. BUT with that said, maybe "pathetic" was a little harsh, but from what I saw on the TV, it to me was an embarrasment of the human race on both sides. Now, I do however side with the LAW enforcement because they had a job to do, and for the protesters out there, it was for most a volunteer mission destined for disaster...the police were gonna come out the winners, and we all should have known that. The innocent on-lookers who were detained, well, I feel a little bad for them, but again, get the hell out of Toronto when something like that happens, or stay inside or something.

Oh, and this isn't a "free world" anymore, I didn't think I had to elaborate that one, but there are probably more LAWS in this country then citizens and as soon as one, just one, law is put down, you technically no longer live in a "free world" cause if you break that one law your "freedom" was just taken away cause it is something you were "not allowed to do". AND if you haven't got a final taste of that concept with the HST and the LACK of ever getting somewhere by large protests, then I don't know what could get that across. You can protest all you want, but don't cry when you get in and/or mock the faces of the law enforcers and they enforce whatever option/punishment they choose to utilize. And for my final points, if I take kids into a retail store and they break things, I am technically responsible for the damage. If my car leaks oil on the ground, I am responsible for it. A teacher is responsible for her students. Protesters should be responsible for damage caused by their direct actions or the actions of the ones they are associated with, that should include other protesters. If you instigate a fight or a protest, then you are also to blame for the outcome. So for my final opinion on your comment, just because someone does not think like you, does not mean the are not a "thinker" or their opinion is "drival". I can go on and on about what you wanted me to clarify for you but for now I do't have time, but please try not to tie-in my opinions with another set of issues, just because you did not like my opinion.

Wed, 2010-06-30 03:22

#115

opinionator

OH, and by asking for this inquiry, you are requesting even more money to be wasted on the G20 shananigans! Just let it go and move forward, I'll pretend it didn't happen if you do, it is not something I want to remember anyway!

Wed, 2010-06-30 03:39

#116

No Yards

Michelle is right, you aren't much of a thinker.

Your contention that legitimate protesters should be held responsible for the acts of a few amongst their numbers that commit crimes must then lead you to believe that citizens mush be held responsible for the acts of a few amongst their numbers that commit crimes.

If only you law abiding citizens would simply not go out in public, then all those criminals could be easily recognized simply by the fact that they were out in public ... that's the world you would have us live in.

But, if you're comfortable enough, cowardly enough, to accept having your rights revoked in the name of the security of 20 people hiding inside an impenetrable fortress, then that is your right (at least until they take it away from you) ... oh wait, I forgot .. those weren't "your rights" that were revoked. You sat safe in your living-room 60 or more kilometres away cheering on the violation of OTHER PEOPLES rights.

How brave is that?

Yeah, let's all help the poor and don't protest the people that create the poor through their stupid policies ... polices such as not charging even the smallest of taxes on the very institutions that put the world into a deep recession through fraud and dishonesty ... no, instead let's implement policies that puts the burden of the banks' and financial institutions' crimes onto the poor.

How fucked is that?

But that's ok ... you go right ahead and "speak power to truth". After all, it is a democracy and you have the right not to be a thinking citizen.

Wed, 2010-06-30 03:59

#117

NDPP

It certainly seems that there is broad general agreement on the significance of what has occurred and the serious ramifications. Both Cueball and Tommy Paine have suggested legal strategies that make a legal fist as opposed to an inquiry which can indeed sometimes be used to wrap up an issue in cotton wool rather than enhance its life and potency. Anyway, there;s no reason why both private prosecutions and an independent public inquiry can;t happen.

Cue mentioned that a coalition of the labour groups that marched on Saturday could proceed against the Province and the police. And Tommy Paine has also correctly I think hit on the importance of legal strategies that bite back hard. Perhaps I oversimplify, but it seems that a war council of concerned parties, labour, lawyers, civil liberties/human rights/ might rough out some possible strategies. There are also now some sympathetic media who were directly involved and also motivated to pursue the issue. The various pols and potentates involved are exposed and likely we will learn more as time goes on. Blair, Miller, McGuinty and Harper are four names that should definitely be on the shit list.

I think that this is a perfect example of the 'if you're given lemons make lemonade' scenario. A G20 React Working Group should be assembled to start putting the pieces together. Labour is the obvious sector that could make this happen...

Wed, 2010-06-30 06:05

#118

observer521

The police who did this, literally need to be prosecuted.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/torontog20summit/article/830323--g20-detainees-gather-to-heal

"Liam Pigott-Upshall, 20, said he was corralled at Spadina Ave. and Queen St. W. while on his way home from work Sunday night.

"(The police) thought I was part of a protest because I was wearing all black," he said. "But I work at a restaurant, and we have to wear black."

Wed, 2010-06-30 06:27

#119

observer521

The stuff about protestors all being guilty...that is the same propaganda technique they use in the USA of late.

The fact is, the real protestors were there on Monday, and NOTHING HAPPENED.

Factually, the real criminals, are the people who gave the ORDER for the police to not go after the vandals. These vandals, still all in black in a group, went right past the police headquarters on College. Of course, in front and inside of the bldg were an infinite amount of police. The police just stood there, and watch the vandals commit crimes.

Who is breaking the law? Those who are breaking the windows, or the police who are charged with protection, standing by and doing nothing.

Were the rank and file police "cowards" and afraid of a few dozen kids breaking windows? No, they were ORDERED to not move and arrest those who were breaking the law.

You see how the post-police propaganda from headquarters is trying to blame the citizens for not rising up? Meanwhile, there were countless ARMED TO THE TEETH POLICE a few feet from these vandals in front of police headquaters, and THE POLICE DID NOTHING. What is going on?

Politics.

The police brass, playing politics. Broken glass = more money for police.

The police are to blame, that is, their commanders. Its their fault, 100%. On top of that, the 20,000 armed police refused to control 100 kids with sticks breaking windows.

How long until the public sees the outrageous insanity at play?

Then the police commanders sent in a riot-army, once the vandals has taken off, and escaped. They then arrested young women and small men. Why? Easy arrests, to fill up the jail. I was there, and saw people coming out of the jail on Eastern. Lots of young women, and small men. They just picked up easy arrests.

This is the greatest farce in this cities history. Its a farce, a fraud. The police chief is lying everyday, with new lies. Fake laws, fake weapons from role-playing games. Fake claims of a dangerous protest, when in fact they were kettling two 14 year old girls. That is immoral and should be criminal behavior by the police commander, to kettle minors, without cause and without charge. Kettling is for outrageous RIOTS that are lethal. They kettle people, and then club them unconscious to minimize loss of life. Its not for trapping 14 year old and people at bustops.

Its mad house, what has happened. And the PM is lying about it, the Chief is lying, and the Mayor and Dalton? They might be very afraid of getting their name in the largest violation of civil rights in Canadian history.

Dalton, Miller, and the others WERE NOT THERE. They don't really know what happened, yet. I was there. I saw it, as did others, and the evidence is coming out. Once the FACT that the police allowed these kids to vandalize comes out, that's it. They will try to say they couldn't handle these 50 kids, but will anyone believe thousands of huge riot cops can't handle 100 kids? If they grabbed 25 kids by the police station, the rest would have run and hid.

A crime was committed against Toronto, I saw most of it with my own eyes. It was a mad house, create by the police tactics, of refusing to enforce the law on Sat aft, and then abusing and breaking the law after that.

Steve Paikin knows there were no police anywhere on Yonge St Sat aft, as do many others. There are videos that prove it. Once the facts some out the police just sat there, then people will hopefully see what happened. The police commanders wanted some broken glass before they moved in. Broken glass = more funding for the police.

Tonight, there were police cars on every block of Yonge...more street theatre by the police. I crossed the street on each block, as to not walk by the cruisers. The police betrayed downtown Toronto. Do they care? Do the police leaders care? No, to them its all business. Do the rank and file care? Probably not, they have to follow orders. So just like when I tried to get them to call in a firetruck, they just shrugged. They follow orders.

Only following orders.

Wed, 2010-06-30 07:11

#120

opinionator

@noyards. You can alledge all you want about me or my opinions. Just like the protesters, it is a waste of time to reason with people of your type. All you try and do is blow things out of porportion just like my points. Again, one should not alledge that I am not a thinker when that is absordly incorrect. Dont you dare call me a coward because I chose to be smart and attend my job and spend time with family and friends during the shitshow in downtown toronto. The whiners whined and showed their faces at the wrong time and some of them suffered for it. They messed with the big boyz and got owned. I did not say the police treated everyone fairly, i merely said if you fuck with the police you get whats coming to you. I watched some of the protests and events and when those disrupt or attempt to disrupt a secure event they got what was coming them. The ones who dont think are those who did attend that event with the idea they would be invincible to the enforcement of canadian laws. The police did their job, i am not saying they followed procedure or human rights to a tee, but they did do their job, protect the secure area around the summit. Just because soke of the images made things appear otherwise does not mean we need to go out there and whine about their actions. Most regular citizens dont know the half of the job and rights of a peace officer. The are out their everyday to save and protect lives and then these shit disturber protesters go out and mock and disrespect them ,when they are under enough stress as it was, just to get them in shit for doing their job! Now the protest for an inquiry is just gonna extend this horrible page in Canadian history and cost us more dollars. No protesters equals no damage, and silly looking government for wasting money. Protesters equal damage, abuse, nights in prison and most importantly justification for the cost spent on the summit security. I definitely agree that the government could have used that money more wisely, but the point is once it was planned for the G20 to be in toronto those who wanted to protest, should have already decided it was a lost cause and decided to avoid making a fool out of themselves and to just stay home or protest in one spot at a park or something. Oh and the last misconception about me you have implied is that i think everyone who was detained on got the law served to them; when in reality i only said i didnt feel sorry for them. So for all those protesters out theid, you do have a right to protest, but the cops have a right to arrest you for breaking laws and each protester could easily have broken laws such as public disturbance, trespassing, conspiracy to commit criminal acts etc. So stop crying, stay home and do something more productive.

Wed, 2010-06-30 08:16

#121

Michelle

No Yards wrote:

Michelle is right, you aren't much of a thinker.

Actually, it was George Victor who said that, not I.

Wed, 2010-06-30 08:33

#122

writer

skdadl, the credit is "Photo by Posterchild." and the image comes from this story: http://torontoist.com/2010/06/stephen_harper_g20_riot_gear_stencil.php

Wed, 2010-06-30 08:42

#123

writer

wage zombie wrote:

If you are talking about the scruffy looking guy featured prominently in this video (said to be putting out the fire):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi-Q11MKx1g&feature=player_embedded

Then I can tell you that he is absolutely not a plainclothes officer.

Thanks for the video link, wage zombie. That is the same man. Why wasn't this clip used on the news? Very compelling, and shows the complexity of the crowd / dynamics. Not one "black bloc" member here.

Wed, 2010-06-30 08:47

#124

Lennonist

The guy on the security payroll who trashed the cop car on Queen St is very recognizable. There is a good shot of his face, his smirk and another of his profile. Can somebody here who is photoshop savvy grab those 2 screengrabs from the video and make a wanted poster and post on here so I can download. I am on a mission to expose this particular guy because I highly doubt the authorities will be making any effort to to catch him. I intend to post his picture all over Queen St. He will be a pariah in this city.

I would also like to find the video link that Michelle mentioned of the vandal who was caught by a citizen breaking glass at the Eaton Center and was forced by the police officer to let him go. I saw that on the channel 62 feed (ctv/cp24) my jaw dropped when I saw the cop force the bystander to let him go free. That was particularly shocking and damning. That particular police officer must be forced to explain his actions, yes he was just following orders, fine, who's orders were they.

We really should plaster this city with damning pictures that expose the authorities complicity. I believe this is a very effective course of action. I will personally plaster 100 wanted flyers on posts. A couple dozen of us could really get the word out. Hit every TTC stop. A lot of regular citizens will realize it was just a handful of paid out-of-town agitators who soiled Torontos strong peaceful activism network.

Wed, 2010-06-30 09:04

#125

observer521

opinionator says..."No protesters equals no damage".

That is a military fascist state. There are plenty to move to.

The police created the broken windows on Yonge, by refusing to arrest those comitting vandalism for over 2 hours. Their chief betrayed them, and the public. The black-block marched right by police headquarters, and the police DID NOTHING. The police were derelict in their duty, and should be charged, in that case.

On Monday, with NO ATTACKS from police, there was a perfect protest, spontaneously snaking through the Jazz Fest entrance, about 6 feet wide. The police were panicking, the citizens were calm. The police were humiliated, and their faces showed it, as a couple thousand people marched in peace. Same place, same people. The day before, these were the same people police were ATTACKING. The police did the attacking. Only a few idiots went after the police, it was the cops who attacked.

The difference on Monday, no police attacks. If the police attacked, it would have been the same thing again. People REFUSE to be bullied by gangs of police acting illegally. That is called crime.

Bill Blair and the cops have to learn a lesson. They cannot order citizens around. They are not the boss. They want to be the boss, but they are not.

The miltary mind loves fascism. Police can have a great life in a fascist system. The police need to learn, again, their powers are limited. By who? By us. Those filthy vermin out there. They are the boss. Go figure. of course, they want to change that, and might succeed.

I am not a G20 protestor, my protest started seeing the police abuse of power. It was outrageous, and dangerous.

The police chief is going to find that those docile sheep out there, are not so docile. Some of them will literally die to keep their rights. If the police attacked another young woman on Monday, I would have stood in the way. Four 6" 4" riot cops, should not be attacking INNOCENT women who weigh 100 lbs. That is SICK. Get it? That shows a mental sickness, to "follow orders" like that. What is next?

The police presence was sick. It was fascist. The police chief thought showing POWER would work, it does not. It makes people want to resist. That is why they are supposed to hide the riot-police around the corner, to keep it calm.

The police disgraced themselves, under orders from the chief. To have those big men, attacking young girls in the street, for no reason, no charge, and dump them in a freezing cage. Those cops should have the same done to them, or to their wives or daughters. See how it feels.

Notice the police had no problem doing this, as their propaganda had dehumanized the citizens of toronto as animals, while many of those they illegally arrested are professionals, with far more education than the police, for example. But the police propaganda dehumanized them, it would be interesting to see that police propaganda used in their training, to make them so screwed up in their perceptions. Note the code word "protestor" which the police propaganda system uses, as well as "anarchist". Imagine if they were forced to use the word...Professional, or citizen, or teacher, or professor.

Note that Bill Blair is now so desperate, he is using the word terrorist. He is displaying a disturbed mind, which is scary as he is in charge.

Bill Blair will hopefully be fired/retired soon, and all those police will be part of the biggest violation of human rights in Canadian history. Some would be proud of that.

Police power has to be controlled, and not be out of control. This was a travesty of Canadian justice. Those who were illegally arrested, are going to fight back. Those "peace" officers have been deceived by their commanders.

Those little people out there, will fight to the death to keep police power in its place. The cops hate that, you can see it in many, not all, of their faces on Monday. They were gritting their teeth, and wanted to do it again, some of them. Its a serious problem.

But even those "queers" are not as soft as they seem. They are mad, and they are not going to take that shit. That taste of Toronto Fascism, is not going to stand.

Wed, 2010-06-30 09:05

#126

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

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@noyards. You can alledge all you want about me or my opinions. Just like the protesters, it is a waste of time to reason with people of your type. All you try and do is blow things out of porportion just like my points. Again, one should not alledge that I am not a thinker when that is absordly incorrect. Dont you dare call me a coward because I chose to be smart and attend my job and spend time with family and friends during the shitshow in downtown toronto. The whiners whined and showed their faces at the wrong time and some of them suffered for it. They messed with the big boyz and got owned. I did not say the police treated everyone fairly, i merely said if you fuck with the police you get whats coming to you. I watched some of the protests and events and when those disrupt or attempt to disrupt a secure event they got what was coming them. The ones who dont think are those who did attend that event with the idea they would be invincible to the enforcement of canadian laws. The police did their job, i am not saying they followed procedure or human rights to a tee, but they did do their job, protect the secure area around the summit. Just because soke of the images made things appear otherwise does not mean we need to go out there and whine about their actions. Most regular citizens dont know the half of the job and rights of a peace officer. The are out their everyday to save and protect lives and then these shit disturber protesters go out and mock and disrespect them ,when they are under enough stress as it was, just to get them in shit for doing their job! Now the protest for an inquiry is just gonna extend this horrible page in Canadian history and cost us more dollars. No protesters equals no damage, and silly looking government for wasting money. Protesters equal damage, abuse, nights in prison and most importantly justification for the cost spent on the summit security. I definitely agree that the government could have used that money more wisely, but the point is once it was planned for the G20 to be in toronto those who wanted to protest, should have already decided it was a lost cause and decided to avoid making a fool out of themselves and to just stay home or protest in one spot at a park or something. Oh and the last misconception about me you have implied is that i think everyone who was detained on got the law served to them; when in reality i only said i didnt feel sorry for them. So for all those protesters out theid, you do have a right to protest, but the cops have a right to arrest you for breaking laws and each protester could easily have broken laws such as public disturbance, trespassing, conspiracy to commit criminal acts etc. So stop crying, stay home and do something more productive.

Have you heard of paragraphs?

Wed, 2010-06-30 09:13

#127

oldgoat

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