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Baby rabbits

 

 

 

skdadl

Aw, you're a good guy, Webgear.

I hope the bunny makes it through the night -- I have heard that shock is a serious thing even for adult rabbits, so you've done the best you could so far -- maybe put out some lukewarm water in a shallow dish as well. Beyond that, you need to talk to a vet -- most good ones will give you at least some advice over the phone. You need to know about food right away, especially because this is a baby.

I'm no expert, but we have a vet at BnR who has country experience. She isn't always around, but I'll repeat your questions over there and see what she says.

I have wild rabbits out back as well, which on the one hand delights me but on the other would also make me feel bad if I thought about their lives too much. I'd be so tempted to take them in and I can't -- I have six cats inside already! (My cats never go out.)

Good luck, Webgear and wee baby bunny.

Webgear

Well the bunny survived the night, it looks like she/he nibbled on some of the vegetables and drank some of the water which is a good sign in my opinion.

A trip to the local veterinarian will occur later this morning.

I am not sure where the cat found the rabbits; I have not seen any rabbit in this part of town before, the nearest area (a small wood lot) is about 350 meters away. I doubt the cat would carry the rabbit several hundred meters just to play and then eat them.

Updates to follow however at this time I believe I just took ownership of a small rabbit.

Webgear

Does anyone know anything about baby rabbits? I just caught a cat eating one bunny however I did manage to save another bunny that the cat was toying with.

I figured the bunny is about 4 weeks old, it fits in the palm of my hand. It seems ok however I am a bit concerned about shock at this time.

I have provided a warm shelter for the night, and presented the bunny some small vegetables for a late night snack.

I am speculating, the cat caught the bunnies while outside their den so I am assuming the bunnies are not receiving milk from their mother.

I am hoping the bunny lives through the night.

Any advice would be welcome.

Tommy_Paine

 

 

I am wearing a really huge smile right now.

 

I live in the middle of London, and rabbits are not an uncommon sight.  They'll burrow under sheds and such and come out in the early evening or morning and munch on your lamb's ear that you planted, or your vegetable garden, so your guess that the den is close is probably a good one, Webgear.

 

It's a regular Mutual of Omaha's wild Kingdom here in the middle of town.   Rabbits, racoons, deer, skunks, falcons, hawks, turkeys, turkey vultures, herons and all manner of song birds.

 

 

absentia

Webgear, i woulden't get too attached to the little guy just yet. I've had the durn things die on me days, even a week, after rescue. Cats will carry prey quite long distances for entertainment or gift-giving, and while the prey seems uninjured, it may have suffered soft-tissue damage, internal bleeding, etc. And then there is the nutrition question... This one may be old enough to withstand the experience. I hope so. And then you'll have all the fun of reconciling rabbit and cat. I've seen them become good friends, once they're of similar size.

Webgear

The local veterinarian checked the little fellow over, he is in good shape and should survive the incident.

We have released him in a small wood lot down the road where I have seen other rabbits before, hopefully he does ok.

absentia

Good luck, Peter!

skdadl

Did the vet advise releasing him, Webgear? I can imagine that's best.

Our vet at BnR hasn't shown up today. If/when she does, I'll still bring her advice back here.

And yes, good luck, Peter.

Webgear

 

I was surprised that the vet said to release him.  I was a bit disappointed; I was prepared to have another animal around the house.

Webgear

I am keeping a close eye on the cat.

Pants-of-dog

Am I the only one who thought of eating it?

Not that Webgear should have. Letting the rabbit go is far more humane.

Tommy_Paine

No, you weren't in fact.    The cat thought of it first.

 

Cats will be cats, Webgear.   Spike catches mice regularly and that's okay, but he takes birds too.    Last year I was amused to see the return of a transient Swainson's Thrush which had seemed to stop here for a few weeks in the fall.  I have no idea if it was the same individual, but one always returns.

 

Spike got him last year.     And, when birds fledge Spike usually gets a few.    We have a robbin's nest next door, close enough to see the young robins poking thier heads up.  The male and female regularly follow Spike, announcing his whereabouts.   But I think he'll get the one that isn't quite ready to fly when it leaves the nest.

 

 

Tommy_Paine

 

Well.  That was quick. 

 

Spike got a baby robin this morning.   I suspect it either fell or was pushed out of the nest.   By the time the commotion alerted me, Spike had damaged the little fellow beyond recovery.   By the look of it, it may have been the runt of the hatch, and it's siblings probably gave it the heave ho.  It was no where near fledging.

 

 

mahmud

Pants-of-dog wrote:

Am I the only one who thought of eating it?

Not that Webgear should have. Letting the rabbit go is far more humane.

 

I was consulting some documentation ( http://www.linternaute.com/femmes/cuisine/recette-lapin/ ) while waiting for Webgear to kindly finish nurturing the baby rabbit and once grown up release it to my pans and pots wilderness.

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[Drift]Does Spike tackle squirrels? If so, does he take out of town jobs on?[/Drift]

Tommy_Paine

 

He stalks them, and tags them on the tail, but I've watched him pass up clear chances to go in for the kill.   My guess is that squirels present too much of an injury risk for him to take on for real.

 

Pity, that.

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Guess I have to keep hoping that a pine marten (or similar weasel like creature) will move in and take up residence...

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bagkitty wrote:

Guess I have to keep hoping that a pine marten (or similar weasel like creature) will move in and take up residence...

[ETA: thought I should point that the problem squirrels I am dealing with are not native to the area, they are Eastern Grey Squirrels that were introduced to the region in the late 1930s. I have zero sentimental feelings towards them.]

Tommy_Paine

 

Native or otherwise, urban squirels are a pest.   If you go out to a mature woodlot, you see it supporting a limited number of squirels.  What we see in the city is not natural, and they undoubtedly take up niches that other species might occupy in the urban area, taking potential nesting sites away from cavity nesting birds, for example, or food from chipmunks.     

And, because they like to nest together in winter, they are nasty little vector creatures for mange.  When I call squirels in my backyard (and I've been able to count 15 at one time in my small city lot) "mangy squirels"  it is not a rhetorical flare, nor am I channeling Granny Clampet.

They are mangy.

 

 

Webgear

Bagkitty

I would purchase a good pellet gun and some tanning supplies. Once you shot a few of them, then you can skin them. 

Once you get a couple of good pelts you can make a nice fur hat for the winter.

 

 

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Webgear wrote:

Bagkitty

I would purchase a good pellet gun and some tanning supplies. Once you shot a few of them, then you can skin them. 

Once you get a couple of good pelts you can make a nice fur hat for the winter.

Alas, municipal bylaws make it illegal to use a pellet gun within the city limits... so any sniping at the tree-rats from the bathroom window will be strenuously denied. And the rose bush beneath which one is buried is sufficently thorny to discourage any by-law officer from looking for evidence, but I will observe it is working better than bone-meal.

Webgear

Municipal bylaws are meant to be broken. :)

Have you thought about live trapping them and releasing them into the wild?

skdadl

Somehow I feel that the true spirit of this thread was lost, or at least turned, part way through.

Or is that essentialist of me?

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Webgear wrote:

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Have you thought about live trapping them and releasing them into the wild?

Mixed reactions here... part of me wants to laugh and part of me wants to shake a finger at you while scolding you.

1) the laughing part - been to Calgary lately? To the east, north and south of the city it is, essentially, bald prairie. I guess releasing a squirrel (particularly an arboreal species like the Eastern Grey Squirrel, which are the buggers I am talking about) would be an interesting way to feed the hawks (as opposed to burying the squirrels and feeding the rose bushes) but not much else.

2) the shaking a scolding finger part - I have researched the matter a little, six mating pairs of these Eastern Grey Squirrels were actually released by the Calgary Zoo in about 1938 to see if they would establish themselves along the Elbow River (um, the answer is YES*) - they are not a species native to the area. While we have a number of indigenous ground squirrels (including the ubiquitous Richardson Ground Squirrel... the gopher) there are only two arboreal squirrels native to the area, Northern Flying Squirrels and Pine Squirrels (also called North American Red Squirrels) and Calgary was at the extreme edge of their range (that whole prairie thing again). Both do not compete well (for nesting sites in the case of flying squirrels and for food in the case of pine squirrels) with the much larger, much more aggressive introduced grey squirrel. "Catching and releasing" the greys to the west of the city (the area that is not bald prairie) would increase pressure on the already threatened native species and strikes me as an essentially sentimental way of dealing with the great grey squirrel question.

I think violating city by-laws is the preferable solution. Of course the hawks cruising the prairies might disagree, but I don't want to get them hooked on fast (if bushy tailed) food.

Wink

 

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* although maybe I should qualify the yes... the area they were actually released is a bit of a wildlife corridor, and there are a lot of coyotes living along the banks of the river... especially the steep-banked parts close to downtown. You very seldom see squirrels there... they tend to be found in residential areas where guillible people feed, shelter and protect them.

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skdadl wrote:

Somehow I feel that the true spirit of this thread was lost, or at least turned, part way through.

Or is that essentialist of me?

Let's call it what it is really is skdadl... this thread has been out and out hi-jacked. It has fallen victim to my vendetta against the eastern grey squirrel.

Webgear

Bagkitty

I was in Calgary last fall.

Maybe you need a pet that would keep them at away, maybe a small hunting dog.

Will the city do anything about the squirrels?

skdadl

Oh, well, though, if you're going to get into talking about Calgary, I can grok that. Olde tyme Calgarian here (I do Medicine Hat too).

I knew gophers and coyotes and snakes and caterpillars well, but I do not recall meeting many squirrels along Richmond Road in the 1950s. That might be because we weren't much short of bald prairie at that point, and our "trees" were, well, still just "trees." I thought of wildlife as something you had to go to the mountaynes to see, or something that other people in mythical places had -- like in the east or in the U.S., where you could also order things from the ads at the back of magazines, as we couldn't. I thought that everybody was mythical but us.

Webgear

 

There is a family of foxes (about 4 kits) down the road from me, they are such beautiful creatures always out playing in the sun on my way to work each morning.

For some reason there are not many gophers in that area.

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Webgear, thanks for the constructive suggestions... I really do appreciate them - but I am pretty much resigned to the fact that the most I can do is try to control the number of squirrels and my dream of seeing them eliminated will not come to pass. In the meantime, I get a certain amount of pleasure out of both complaining about them, and plotting their downfall - and spend weekends putting wooden skewers around particularly vulnerable plants to dissuade the buggers from digging them up (think squirrel-scale punji forests around the geraniums). It is almost becoming a sport, like complaining about the weather (the hail-storm that shredded my oriental poppies last week comes to mind... but that is another tale).

Even if I cloak it in terms of a discussion about introduced "out-of-range" species, it does boil down to my vendetta against them... maybe I should change the little tag line under my screen name to reflect this. Wink

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skdadl: well the old districts have matured a bit... fifty years has been long enough for a few trees in the yards to become TREES, with canopies big enough to make squirrel highways blocks long. At least we don't have raccoons.

Yet...Yell

Tommy_Paine

 

Oh, Bagkitty, try dusting plants you want to protect with bloodmeal.  Not too heavy, the stuff has an unpleasent odour.

 

I think the squirels take it as a kill site, or just generally don't like the smell of rotting blood.  It breaks down into a decent fertilizer, too.

 

Don't get me wrong, Skdadl.  I like squirels.   As evidenced by the oak trees that spring up here, they are an integral part of the forest system.  

 

But in high density, they are another creature altogether.  

 

I've thought of feeding them, actually.   By putting peanuts in the middle of the road.

Tommy_Paine

bagkitty wrote:

skdadl: well the old districts have matured a bit... fifty years has been long enough for a few trees in the yards to become TREES, with canopies big enough to make squirrel highways blocks long. At least we don't have raccoons.

Yet...Yell

 

I saw a young racoon try to climb the steel pole that holds my two silo feeders for birds.   He couldn't do it, of course.  Cute little fellow.  

 

I don't have a problem with sharing the neighborhood with racoons.   They're okay-- as long as your attic and chimney is secure, as well as your garbage. And you don't have neighbors that feed them.  I've seen news reports of people in Toronto leaving dog dishes full of food scraps out for the racoons.    Bad idea.  One racoon per couple of city blocks is interesting and nice to have around.  Twenty is an infestation you don't want.

 

Skunks can be problematic, but you know even the one time I accidentally got real close to one at night in my backyard, he (or she) gave me enough warning that it didn't come to a spraying incident.   When I've wanted one to leave my yard, all I've had to do is ask it nicely:  Like, "hey, I think it's time to go, buddy."   And, they'll go... sort of in thier own time.   I think skunks have a thing about saving face.

 

 

 

skdadl

I also didn't mind the racoons except for the summer we tried to grow corn. Morning after morning, I would (stupidly) clear off the outer rows they had stripped the night before, until I twigged that that just bared the next row in for the next night. They got almost all of it anyway before it was mature. I should have pickled the mini-cobs just to spite them.

And racoon love in the attic needs to be prevented. I lived through one season of that -- not enjoyable -- well, I guess it was for them, but not for us. And then it is so emotionally wrenching when you watch them all being trapped and transported (to the nearest ravine, from which they will return within days).

We also had well-behaved skunks in Toronto. The only time I wondered about them was when I saw one wandering about midday. I think that is a sign of illness, distemper at least.

Tommy_Paine

 

The thing with skunks is that they'll have several burrows or places to hold up in, in thier territory.   Seeing one in daylight might just mean it got disturbed as someone had to do work under their porch which hadn't been accessed by people for twenty years, or took down an old storage shed it was under.  

 

The worst incident involving a skunk I know of happened, geez, about 25 years or more ago, when my ex and I rented a house near the river in the east end here.   A neighbour's little girl, about four or five went to get her trike from under the porch, and inadvertantly scared a skunk.  The skunk sprayed her full on at point blank in the face.

They rushed her to hospital and she was lucky not to have been blinded or have some permanent vision impairment. 

 

Oh my, you won't believe this.  

 

But, as I finished that last sentence I stepped outside for a smoke, and to think of something else to bore the pants off you with, and watched Spike go into the side door of the garage... and seconds later a skunk come out!   They had to have passed each other by inches... without incident.  (!?)

 

I was about to ask it to leave, when Zoetheevilandsataniccatfromthedeepestpitsofhell meowed loudly in the kitchen (it was, after all, ten minutes since her last feeding) which got the skunk's tail up pretty quick, as it didn't really know where the meow came from (hell, Mr. Skunk, the meow came from the darkest pits of despair in hell)   but the skunk settled down, and I asked it to leave and it did.

Fotheringay-Phipps

Hi, Bagkitty

Don't know if you're aware of the site, but http://www.scarysquirrel.org/ details the endless fight of "patriots" against "skwerls" and is full of horrifying anecdotes about squirrels blocking manifold intakes with acorns, etc. Plus there are an astonishing number of games involving grievous harm to squirrels.

Been waiting for years to recommend that site to someone.

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Much bagkitty mirth is being experienced. Thank you Fotheringay-Phipps,