Huffington Post promoting homeopathy

Don't they know that articles about homeopathy will be even more effective if they are less concentrated?

I don't want to initiate an argument, but I have seen several homeopathic remedies appear to work quite dramatically and consistently in a way that could not be explained by placebo or return to mean (it involved infants).

I have enough of a lay understanding of the science that I get all the arguments. I have no idea what happened. All I really cared about was that the baby stopped freaking out whenever I gave her the little pill (and no, it wasn't the sugar, because sweet stuff like breast milk did not do it).

If you don't want to use it, don't use it, but considering the ridiculous abuses and the corporate empires built up around allopathic drugs, I think people might want to hold off a bit on the ridicule.

Personally, I have never had family members killed and almost killed by homeopathic remedies. I wish I could say the same for allopathic drugs.

Pants-of-dog wrote:

Caregivers can also be under the influence of the placebo effect when they give what they believe is medication to children and animals. This article is about ADHD, but it can obviously be applied to any disorder.

*chuckle*

Yeah, that must be it. I was imagining that the baby stopped crying every time I gave her the medicine.

Anyway, I don't really care how or if it worked. All I know is the baby got to sleep and we did too.

Does anyone think that homeopathic remedies should be covered by national health care plans?

Boy does comfrey EVER grow in your back yard, sometimes to the point of making the gardener weep.  Word to the wise, don't roto-till where comfrey has grown.

No, I don't think homeopathic remedies should be covered by health care.  I think instead we should be funding nation wide education about the importance of eating real, unprocessed, preferably organic, food.  AND of course, we need to find the means to make that food available and affordable to everyone.......not a small order but hey dream big.

Start by getting rid of mc-junkfood outlets.  Ick.  Quit stuffing our kids faces with shit that comes out of a box and I think we'd find that the next generation wouldn't need so many dollars for health care.

@ pollybee

Yes, and remember to top that valerian before it goes to seed too.

As far as I know, neither homepathic treatments nor herbalist treatments are covered by Canadian medicare.

Meaning, you can't judge a medicine by it's effects as a whole.  No humans carry identical conditions.  It's a wonder they don't do more isolation studies.

polly bee wrote:

Start by getting rid of mc-junkfood outlets.  Ick.  Quit stuffing our kids faces with shit that comes out of a box and I think we'd find that the next generation wouldn't need so many dollars for health care.

Whole heartedly agree with this have for years. But some people are so invested in wanting others to keep  the status quo, that they are extremely resistent to this.

For years my daughter was not allowed "junk food", of any type, nor sugars or food dyes. Not even if she was visiting with people, if they did not want to feed her appropriately, she was not allowed to go there.

And ya know what, someone actually called child protection services on me, as they did not feel I had the right to deprive her of "junk food" if she wanted it. And if I was depriving her of junk food, what else was I depriving her of, and I was basically holding her "hostage" by controlling her food intake,  they believed. Guess they would have rather had me put her on ritalin, and allowed her to eat food that made her bounce of the walls.

FFS, the ignorance of some people is mind boggling.

Then of course there are those sociopaths who have stock shares in the "mc" junk food companies and pharmaceuticals, so they do not want people to stop eating junk food, and taking the medications to off set the symptoms of what is happening to their bodies from said non-foods. They won't eat the crap themselves, but they want others to.

Perhaps she feels the same way about your education....

Pants-of-dog wrote:

Unfortunately, there are publicly accessible and verifiable studies showing how the tools of my trade have been effective for the client's needs. This is not the case for homeopathy.

I don't know what your profession is, but to take a relevant field like western medicine:

For all the studies and hard science around drugs and treatment (and not all of it IS that rock solid, actually) there are certainly lots of doctors who don't know how to use those tools properly. I have had one family member killed by being given the wrong drugs, and another who went into paranoid hallucinations on one occasion and almost died on another because some doctor didn't bother to read the label on the drugs he prescribed.

In the case of the hallucinations we wound up down at the hospital in the middle of the night, with the people on staff not knowing what was going on. When we opened their drug book and looked we - the untrained lay people - saw it written right there.

Let's not pretend that western medicine is a system which we understand completely and which works perfectly all the time. It is simply not true.

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I don't know what your profession is, but to take a relevant field like western medicine:

.....

Let's not pretend that western medicine is a system which we understand completely and which works perfectly all the time. It is simply not true.

I agree 100%, and would also point out that the dominant paradigm regarding how childbirth is treated is also not based on a clear understanding of the research.

All medical practices should be subjected to rigourous analysis.

For being correct?

yes pants, I found/find it objectionable, as it, like  a couple other of your posts have done, make/made, IMV, an oblique attempt to insert an opinion, or try to start, a dialogue that is about women's choice. aka "myths of childbirth".

remind wrote:

yes pants, I found/find it objectionable, as it, like  a couple other of your posts have done, make/made, IMV, an oblique attempt to insert an opinion, or try to start, a dialogue that is about women's choice. aka "myths of childbirth".

 

The only position I have ever supported, or ever will support, in regards to childbirth is quite simple. I completely support the woman involved. This is not only due to the respect we should all have for bodily autonomy, which is reason enough to support the mother, but also because the medical research shows that when you put the mother in charge instead of a (usually) male doctor, it is usually healthier for the woman and her child.

I realise that this discussion is not relevant to the discussion on homeopathy, and I have only expanded on it to clarify my personal position. If you wish to start a thread about childbirth, I will be more than happy to discuss it with you.

RevolutionPlease wrote:

Guess it went under your heads.  Guess you didn't read the next post #19.  Pharmaceuticals are the fraud.  They cause much more harm than homeopathy.  Good ol' Looney Tunes.  Thanks for the laugh.

The reason that pharmaceuticals can cause far more harm than homeopathic remedies is that homeopathic remedies have as much medicinal value as a glass of water. If homeopathic remedies actually did anything, they would have the same issues in terms of side effects that regular pharmaceuticals do.

No-one said you shouldn't question pharmaceuticals.  I'm not sure where you drew that conclusion, unless it's part of your own bias.

However, if you're going to question poor science in pharmaceuticals, perhaps you should question the poor science in other remedies as well, including homeopathy. 

In fact, I find the pattern of argument here sort of disturbing.  The thread is about the problem of homeopathy being a bogus remedy.  But we don't see any argument on the merits or drawbacks of that position.  We see that people embrace diet and exercise as aids to health.  Okay, great, but what does it have to do with homeopathy?  We hear that pharmaceuticals are bad.  Okay, but again, what relationship does that have to the fact that homeopathic remedies do not contain active ingredients?

Red herrings and non sequiturs all over the place, but not a real argument for homeopathy to be found.  I can only imagine that it's because there isn't one.

It's still just water.  As I said before, save your money and get it from your kitchen faucet.

ETA:  An article on the coroner's inquest into the death of Penelope Dingle.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/inquest-into-dingle-death-...

You're right Polly B, I may have made that mistake.  I believe in natural healing, especially given my experiences.  Apologies if I may have confused the issue.  But I'm still going to rail against the Pharma like they rail against natural medicine.  There's much to be aware of in Pharma's bid to disrepute natural healing and living.  I'm just not too good on teh interwebs and writing and stuff.

A glass of cool homeopathic water has no active ingredients but it sure is a good remedy to cure a hot body on a hot summer day.

I am not sure about cold water, but serving cool glasses of water with a non active ingredient smile, in the waiting rooms of the hospitals and doctors offices might go a long way in reducing our pharma dependencies and tempers.