Alien from outer space

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Fri, 2010-07-16 18:11

alien

Hello everyone!

As my handle shows, I am an alien from space (what you call the Alfa Centauri System).

I am on assignment to observe Earth and humanity as its dominant species.

I need to report to the Galactic Council on the status of your species and its chances of survival beyond the next few decades.

This Forum seems to have a large number of intelligent and responsible participants, discussing serious issues in a thoughtful way.

I am asking for advice on what threads to study in depth to form an opinion about fundamental principles guiding your species and the main forces acting for and against your survival.

I will patiently await your advice and am looking forward to studying the threads you recommend.

Thank you all, live long and prosper!

Fri, 2010-07-16 18:18

Papal Bull

Shit, they found babble first!

Well, as Ambassador of Earth, I welcome you. But frankly, aliens are passe. I, for one, welcome our NEW robot overlords.

Fri, 2010-07-16 19:31

Maysie

You can call me Maysie 56194-4753902 from now on.

Welcome to babble, alien.

Princess Leia and Darth Vader on the subway

Fri, 2010-07-16 19:52

alien

Thank you for the welcome and the link Maysie 56194-4753902 -- it was very funny!

Sat, 2010-07-17 01:08

Fidel

Well I'm glad you have a sense of humor, Alien. Alpha Centauri? Hey we're relatively close neighbors and didn't even know it! Welcome. Live long and prosper.

Sat, 2010-07-17 14:20

alien

Thank you, Fidel, for the welcome.

So far no suggestions as to what threads to visit. I would like to find discussions concerning the big picture of human destiny.

Let me illustrate what I mean:

I have studied your literature, especially books dealing with the current state of Earth and Humanity. As I mentioned, I am particularly interested in short term survival prospects of your Planet and species.

I have to admit I was somewhat disturbed by the gloomy predictions of your most prominent writers of the last few decades. Here is a list of Authors I studied:

Jared Diamond
Jeremy Rifkin
John Ralston Saul
Margaret Atwood
John Le Carre
Gwynne Dyer
David Suzuki
Chris Hedges
Noam Chomsky
Barbara Kingsolver
Ray Bradbury
Kurt Vonnegut
Aldous Huxley
Karl Polany

The predictions range from cautiously optimistic to abjectly pessimistic.

They seem to identify the following major threats to human survival:

Climate Change
Nuclear War
Runaway Pandemic
Toxic Waste
Radiation Poisoning
Genetic accidents
Population Explosion
Economic Collapse

These threats seem to be attributed to 2 major sources:

1. Those in power support uncontrolled and unsustainable growth
2. Those without power support the existing systems by pursuing materialistic excess.

Two other major factors seem to be:

1. Irresponsible scientists providing your leaders with weapons for suppressing your citizens and tools for massive exploitation of your planet’s resources and pollution of its biosphere

2. Your media is a tool of misinformation and brainwashing of the masses.

The forces supporting your survival are many impressive human qualities such as:

Intelligence
Compassion
Adaptability
Imagination
Reason
Heroism
Sense of Justice
Loyalty
Courage

Unfortunately, there are the darker qualities polluting your species, such as:

Greed
Hate
Envy
Jealousy
Aggressiveness
Power lust
Shortsightedness
Religious/Nationalistic/Racist Fanatism

These qualities are all over your Planet, manifesting themselves in both large and small acts, individual or organized.

The question is: in view of all of the above, what are the chances for the forces of good against the forces of evil?

What are the chances that one of these dangers overwhelm your defenses and get totally out of control, destroying your civilization, your species, maybe even your planet?

According to the studies I have seen, any of these runaway catastrophes can happen at any moment in the future: all the conditions have been laid out in the last few decades of your history.

As the most delightful character (Eeyore) of your deepest Philosophical writing: (Winnie-the-Pooh) said: “They're funny things, Accidents. You never have them till you're having them.”

I know it is impossible to answer these questions with any certainty but it would be nice to read a discussion either on these topics or on the writers I mentioned above.

Sat, 2010-07-17 14:37

Fidel

Wow you really aren't one of the locals. [url=http://monthlyreview.org/598einstein.php]This is a short essay[/url] by someone who was the most clever of us to have lived in the last century. I think N. Beltov first pointed out that one to us some time ago. But we've known about the concentration of wealth and power here in the most developed countries purporting to be the torch bearers of democracy for quite a while. And most of us just accept that there isn't a lot we can do about it. I think it's learned helplessness etched into our collective psyches over long periods. I don't know really.

Sat, 2010-07-17 14:37

Boom Boom

alien wrote:

Hello everyone!

As my handle shows, I am an alien from space (what you call the Alfa Centauri System).

Awful Centauri, eh? Let me also welcome you. How about a photo of yourself?

Sat, 2010-07-17 15:01

alien

Boom Boom wrote:

Awful Centauri, eh? Let me also welcome you. How about a photo of yourself?

Thank you for the welcome Boom Boom. Unfortunately I can not send you a photo because I had to leave my body behind in order to visit you here on Earth. We can project our consciousness over light years, without spending decades on space travel. So, at the moment, you can consider me as a disembodied intelligence or pure thought as it were.

Sat, 2010-07-17 15:12

#10

alien

Sorry, double post, my thought-control of your Internet isn't perfect yet. I will compensate.

Sat, 2010-07-17 15:32

#11

al-Qa'bong

alien wrote:

Thank you all, live long and prosper!

Colour me suspicious. You say you're from the Alpha Centauri system, yet you use the Vulcan (not to mention possessive individualist) expression "live long and prosper." Since Vulcan is in the 40 Eridani star system, I find it hard to believe you're really from Alpha Centauri.

On the other hand, it's something of a relief to see that aliens really do speak English.

Sat, 2010-07-17 15:38

#12

alien

al-Qa'bong wrote:

You use the Vulcan (not to mention possessive individualist) expression "live long and prosper." Since Vulcan is in the 40 Eridani star system, I find it hard to believe you're really from Alpha Centauri.

On the other hand, it's something of a relief to see that aliens really do speak English.

Thank you for the comment, al-Qa'bong. To amuse myself, I learnt English from your Star Trek, hence the vocabulary.

The popularity of Star Trek shows that you know what future you would like to live in, the only question is 'how to get there'?

Sat, 2010-07-17 17:01

#13

alien

Fidel wrote:

Wow you really aren't one of the locals. [url=http://monthlyreview.org/598einstein.php]This is a short essay[/url] by someone who was the most clever of us to have lived in the last century.

Thank you, Fidel, for the link to the Einstein article. As usual, he is very clear and convincing. Many other human thinkers came to the same conclusion as far as the desirable goal is concerned. The question, as always, is: How to get there? Is it possible to get there? Is there time to get there before you destroy yourselves? How to live with those awful dangers hanging over your heads? Is it ethical to bring children into such a world? How much of one's life should one spend fighting a possibly losing battle? Is it ethical to give up and try to enjoy the possibly last few good years? Many questions, very few answers.

Sat, 2010-07-17 23:02

#14

remind

alien wrote:
The question is

Actually it should be; "the questions are" considering there are several questions and not just 1.

You Alpha C's, always, always late to the falling planet parties, while us Sirians do all the hard work in trying to save them...but then we like to do our work incognito.

Now, I will try to answer the questions, you would already known the answers to, had you not been so tardy in arriving, after all the Nibiruan Council contacted you about a millenia ago.

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what are the chances for the forces of good against the forces of evil?

Just excellent, good always defeats evil, and we don't have long to wait now, as you know the cosmic energy shift is less than 2 years away.

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What are the chances that one of these dangers overwhelm your defenses and get totally out of control, destroying your civilization, your species, maybe even your planet?

This is a redundant question, and query why you are asking it, as you know that is not part of the operational plan set up when we colonized this planet, and there is no deviation, hence the ancient of days, fixing determined cosmic energy shifts.

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According to the studies I have seen, any of these runaway catastrophes can happen at any moment in the future: all the conditions have been laid out in the last few decades of your history.

Ahhh...but you know that can all be changed in the twinkling of a star and that the ancient of days would never allow that to happen, being omnipresent and all.

Sun, 2010-07-18 07:14

#15

alien

You don't need to remind me of our differences. I noticed that you did not answer any of my ethical questions which are the only ones that could and should be answered.

These are not facetious questions. I have seen examples of humans giving up when they could fight, humans who refuse to bring children into this world, others who refuse to identify with their species and call themselves ‘alien'.

A little joke to illustrate: Priest says: "Everyone in this Parish will die". Man giggles. Priest: "what's so funny?" Man: "I am from another Parish!"

When you reach a ripe old age (old anyway) and have too few more years left, you wonder what it has been all about. You will part with it soon enough and start looking at it from the outside: what of all that was really worth doing?

Was Shakespeare right when he wrote:

"Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

Sun, 2010-07-18 11:48

#16

Papal Bull

Well, remind, you clearly are at a loss regarding Shakespeare. Although I agree that it is a bad place to start for formulating an opinion on humans, it is a great place to start regarding Klingons.

Sun, 2010-07-18 12:38

#17

al-Qa'bong

The fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves.

Sun, 2010-07-18 13:28

#18

remind

alien wrote:
...you did not answer any of my ethical questions which are the only ones that could and should be answered.

"Ethical"?

Did not see them as such.

Afterall, there is no real set state of what any given person percieves as "ethical". And certainly from your words, as an example, Alpha C's cannot/should not determine what any given human's ethical beliefs are, or should be.

For example, the following statements of yours:

Quote:
I have seen examples of humans giving up when they could fight, humans who refuse to bring children into this world, others who refuse to identify with their species and call themselves ‘alien'.

are problematic, but that happens when the focus is too narrow, or unbalanced.

1. Throughout the course of 'history' there are 1000's of examples of people, mainly from the non-white male demographics, fighting when they could have given up, to take an isolated decade, or two, is poor thesis building. The demographic of white males in recent decades needs to be improved though, I do admit, Moreover, there is always the factor of knowing when to hold'em and knowing when to fold'em, and wait for another day.

2. Millions of people are still having babies on a daily basis, in fact the planet is over-populated and cannot sustain this level of population. That humans, are choosing not to have children is a good thing.

Going to just give brief spotlight onto the bias in your words about 'people" not having babies. First, it is women who are choosing not to have babies, now that they have the ways and means to do so. One can hardly condem them, for not doing so, especially in light of world overcrowding, environmental degradation, and wealth embalances. Secondly, it is mainly white women of the western world, who are choosing to not have children, thus your words could indicate a sexist and racial bias given your lamenting that white women, and according to you, not for 'ethical' reasons of their own, are choosing not to. Frankly, not having babies is not a problem that needs to be "fixed", or even addressed by others.

Interspecies war is a problem, I agree, but as soon as people stop feeling they are superior to others, it won't be.

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When you reach a ripe old age (old anyway) and have too few more years left, you wonder what it has been all about. You will part with it soon enough and start looking at it from the outside: what of all that was really worth doing?

See...this is yet another misconception, and had you not been aliencomelately, you would have known not all humans wait until they get old to start querying what it is, and will be, all about. It is an ageist construct. As many, many youth are doing so today, and have in the past too. People seem to go into denial in the middle years, and lose the purposeful querying focus of youth, that later is recovered, in one's latter years.

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Was Shakespeare right

Not sure that Shakespeare was ever right about anything, other than with his; "something is rotten in Denmark" observation.

Really, if you are going to formulate your opinion of humans, you would do well to choose a better source than his works.

Mon, 2010-07-19 08:19

#19

Caissa

Dawkins was speaking about Babble.

Mon, 2010-07-19 11:38

#20

Catchfire

[quote]"Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."[/quote]

I was once at a performance art piece at a bar when the bar's owner was drunkenly shouting from the back of the room "what's that supposed to symbolize!?" I thought it was pretty astute all in all.

Mon, 2010-07-19 18:09

#21

alien

al-Qa'bong wrote:

The fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves.

I listened to a Richard Dawkins interview yesterday and the interviewer kept asking him about "Intelligent Design". Dawkins listed many examples that contradict the idea of an intelligent designer -- the only one he missed was the obvious: he could have said: "look at the state of this Planet and its dominant species -- do you call this an intelligent design?"

Mon, 2010-07-19 19:19

#22

alien

Caissa wrote:

Dawkins was speaking about Babble.

As an example for evolution by survival of the fittest?

Mon, 2010-07-19 19:45

#23

Boom Boom

I'm curious, Alien, about your undertsanding of time travel. It's a popular concerpt in our science fiction novels and movies.

Mon, 2010-07-19 21:53

#24

alien

Boom Boom wrote:

I'm curious, Alien, about your undertsanding of time travel. It's a popular concerpt in our science fiction novels and movies.

Thank you, Boom Boom for bringing up a fascinating subject

Are you asking me about my own personal experience with time travel or present human understanding of the concept?

I will assume the latter.

First of all, to date Physicists have found no physical law that forbids time travel either forward or back to the past. Michio Kaku in his delightful book: “The Physics of the Impossible” lists time travel as a Class II Impossibility, which he defines as: “technologies that sit at the very edge of our understanding of the physical world. If they are possible at all, they might be realized on a scale of millennia to millions of years in the future”.

What baffles most scientists is the paradoxes that would arise from time travel, like the “grandfather paradox” – that is going back in time and killing your parents before you were born.

One attempt to resolve these paradoxes is the “multiple universe” hypotheses in which the universe splits into two universes every time a paradox would arise: in one universe you were never born, in the other, you never went back in time to kill your parents. The multiple universe hypothesis is actually consistent with Quantum Physics and is one of the main interpretation for quantum phenomena.

My own personal feeling at this moment is: if time ‘travel’ is possible at all, its first manifestation will be only an “informational time travel”, that is like a TV screen that you can tune to space and time coordinates, probably only for the past, but you can not physically transport matter and change the past. Imagine what a great tool this would be to historians and crime investigators?!

An awful lot can be said on the subject but this is enough to get it started.

Mon, 2010-07-19 22:37

#25

Boom Boom

Fascinating stuff! Thanks.

Mon, 2010-07-19 23:42

#26

Papal Bull

I totally, like, traced alien's IP. He's hardly from outerspace. Alpha Centauri? More like Ceres! Pft, asteroid belt. Get in the goldy lock region, sucka.

Tue, 2010-07-20 01:31

#27

Spectrum

Alien wrote:
Unfortunately I can not send you a photo because I had to leave my body behind in order to visit you here on Earth.

Are you using "a body" at that IP address, or, are you able to manipulate pulses in the computer?

Entanglement is an interesting subject.

Quote:
In electronics, a superheterodyne receiver uses frequency mixing or heterodyning to convert a received signal to a fixed intermediate frequency, which can be more conveniently processed than the original radio carrier frequency. Virtually all modern radio and television receivers use the superheterodyne principle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheterodyne_receiver

Maybe something like that in terms of looking into the past? In terms of learning the truth from people on a witness stand? Maybe?:)

Tue, 2010-07-20 08:06

#28

Spectrum

Alien wrote:
I can fully understand why Star Trek and similar speculations are so irresistible: it is so much more pleasant to think about cool science and technology than contemplating extinction.

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"Captain’s log, stardate 48642.5. The crew is enjoying an evening on Sikaris. They are discovering, to their delight, that reports of this species’ hospitality have not been exaggerated."

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Prime_Factors_%28episode%29

On the contrary, new ways of looking at life help to shape new perspectives.

Is Biology reducible to physics?

Such perspective would give credence to the idea that our thoughts are just as viable in the consequences of conception, as would our actions in our day to day lives.

Tue, 2010-07-20 08:13

#29

alien

Sorry guys, I would love to tell you more on alien technology but the STPD (Spatial -Temporal Prime Directive – yes, there is such a thing) doesn’t allow me.

Besides, it distracts me from my main assignment of assessing Humanity’s viability.

I can fully understand why Star Trek and similar speculations are so irresistible: it is so much more pleasant to think about cool science and technology than contemplating extinction.

Look at it this way: avoiding self-destruction is a problem-solving exercise, requiring the same scientific method as the one used in solving technological problems. Identify the problem (I sketched it out at the start of this thread), define the goal (Star Trek model for Planetary Federation seems to be popular), catalogue the relevant laws of nature (in this case mostly psychological) and design a course of action that would take you from A to B.

Both Robert Heinlein and Terry Pratchett will recommend manipulating people, tricking them into behaving in the required way. Of course it requires extremely smart individuals to organize and carry out this program, but there are enough genius-caliber people in your species -- if only they decided to use their intelligence the right way, instead of flocking to work for the Pentagon and Wall Street.

Food for thought…I hope

Tue, 2010-07-20 15:03

#30

Boom Boom

This is my favourite new thread! Thanks, Alien.

Tue, 2010-07-20 15:15

#31

alien

One of your greatest humanitarian scientists: Carl Sagan, in his book the “Pale Blue Dot”, describes the view of Earth, from Voyager1 from a distance of 6.4 billion kilometres, as it was leaving the solar system in 1992.

Carl Sagan writes:

“Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. ….. It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known. --Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot, 1994”

This is reality.

Star Trek, unfortunately, is fantasy.

Here is the image from Voyager:

Pale Blue Dot

That is what you stand to lose and guess how much the rest of the Universe will miss you?

Tue, 2010-07-20 15:35

#32

alien

Boom Boom wrote:

This is my favourite new thread! Thanks, Alien.

Thanks, Boom Boom!

Here is a UTube link to Carl Sagan reading the full text:

Tue, 2010-07-20 18:39

#33

Boom Boom

I'll read the link before I go to bed. I had a rough time at the clinic this morning, chest pains, and the usual tests - EKG, blood work, nitro, and am waiting to be sent out for heart stress tests.

I've never given it much thought because I've never been a believer in extraterrestial life, but I wonder now what alien health clinics and/or hospital or fitness centres might be like.

Tue, 2010-07-20 19:19

#34

alien

Boom Boom wrote:

I wonder now what alien health clinics and/or hospital or fitness centres might be like.

We put the emphasis on prevention and it usually works. When that fails, we do repair. Since money doesn't exist on our world, things are a lot simpler. When something needs to be done we just go ahead and do it. All advanced species are based on division of labour. That involves production, distribution and consumption. Less evolved species spend 90% of their resources on fighting over distribution. With us distribution is automatic and is based on individual requirements for healthy and productive existence. Since we don't waste our resources on armies, police, banks, insurance companies, accountants, lawyers and many other non-productive occupations, we have plenty to go around and provide for all our needs, including medical ones. I hope this answers your question.

Tue, 2010-07-20 21:25

#35

Boom Boom

Wow! Take me back with you.

Wed, 2010-07-21 02:02

#36

Spectrum

Alien wrote:
Star Trek, unfortunately, is fantasy.

You made the inference and I followed up on the Spatial -Temporal Prime Directive. Just thought the correlation interesting when no body said anything about Star Trek.

BUt moving on. The point not talked about was the question about "Biology to physics."

This picture is a copy of a "16 century woodcut" copied by Camille Flammarion in 1888.

Yes, Cosmology has an interesting perspective about the larger context of family and "our place in the universe." Appreciate the perspective from way out there to the dot we live on. Truly awesome perspective. This kind of liberation is seen also in how man saw earth for the first time from space. Conceptual they had been caught in concepts of straight lines and such, and then truly, Riemann change the world for us.

This multi-colour all-sky image of the microwave sky has been synthesized using data spanning the full frequency range of Planck, which covers the electromagnetic spectrum from 30 to 857 GHz.

But yes, as our perspectives change with regard to that science, as to how we see in regards to the universe, there is still much that has to be learnt about the nature of our places on this planet and what we are doing to it.. Nobody thinks of the cosmic particulates naturally bombarding earth and the effect this could be having on nature.

Wed, 2010-07-21 02:30

#37

al-Qa'bong

Boom Boom wrote:

Wow! Take me back with you.

That would be a violation of the Prime Directive.

Wed, 2010-07-21 03:06

#38

bagkitty

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

Wow! Take me back with you.

That would be a violation of the Prime Directive.

No, no, no... that was the old Prime Directive. The updated version removed the prohibition against pet ownership.

Wed, 2010-07-21 03:41

#39

Fidel

I think Alien does know about the future, or perhaps someone else's future, bwbwbwbwbwa. If time travel is possible, then so is the technology for invisibility. It's not too many years from our own technical ability as things are now. They could be here from the future and invisible to us as a measure of safety of sorts. Perhaps Alien is from the future and may not want us to know it. You don't have to admit to anything, Alien. It could be a secret between you and all of us. Hush hush on the QT everyone! Alien could be from the future, or even future present relative to some other past time. Hey wait a minute?

Wed, 2010-07-21 05:02

#40

KenS

I've already been there.

Ignorance is bliss.

Wed, 2010-07-21 08:30

#41

Croghan27

Catchfire wrote:

snip

I was once at a performance art piece at a bar when the bar's owner was drunkenly shouting from the back of the room "what's that supposed to symbolize!?" I thought it was pretty astute all in all.

At one of my favourite bar there was a fellow that sat in the back, until the patrons plied him with enough of the fruit of the beer berry, then he would break out into some Robert Service. I am sure alien would acknowledge that: "there are strange things done ...."

Wed, 2010-07-21 08:38

#42

George Victor

KenS wrote:

I've already been there.

Ignorance is bliss.

And that is the "missing link" not found in the list of Homo sapiens' shortcomings:

"Unfortunately, there are the darker qualities polluting your species, such as:

Greed
Hate
Envy
Jealousy
Aggressiveness
Power lust
Shortsightedness
Religious/Nationalistic/Racist Fanatism"

And anthropoligists thought it was just a matter of finding the ape/human skeletal remains... :)

Wed, 2010-07-21 09:37

#43

George Victor

Cynicism could be ranked right up there among Homo sapiens' chief failings, eh?

Wed, 2010-07-21 09:50

#44

alien

George Victor wrote:

Cynicism could be ranked right up there among Homo sapiens' chief failings, eh?

Cynicism is one of the more ambiguous words in your language. It is often used when 'realism' or even 'pessimism' would work better. Just because someone sees (and says) the way things are, does not mean that he or she doesn't care (and that is usually what the word cynicism implies)

Wed, 2010-07-21 09:51

#45

alien

Spectrum wrote:

The point not talked about was the question about "Biology to physics."

I am not sure I understand what you mean, Spectrum. Biology has to obey the laws of Physics, naturally, but it has laws of its own above and beyond the laws of Physics.

bagkitty wrote:

No, no, no... that was the old Prime Directive. The updated version removed the prohibition against pet ownership.

This comment implies disrespect on our part. There is no such thing, we respect all life, however precarious it may be at the moment. We used to be like you are now, a very long time ago, but luckily we survived all the dangers you are facing. I was intrigued when I watched your "Contact" sci-fi movie when Dr. Arroway was asked: "If you were to meet these Vegans, and were permitted only one question to ask of them, what would it be? " and she replied: "Well, I suppose it would be, how did you do it? How did you evolve, how did you survive this technological adolescence without destroying yourself? "

I can tell you this much: we did come very close to self-destruction and our civilization actually collapsed to almost pre-industrial level. We rose from it, remembered and never made the same mistakes again. You are still on this side of the coming collapse, there is still time, try to remember now before it is too late. You may not be as lucky as we were, there may not be a second chance. Unfortunately, the way I see it, time for you is very short. Your most serious challange at the moment is Climate Change. Your writer Gwynne Dyer was surprisingly prophetic in his book "Climate Wars" -- any of the scenarios he presented may happen within a decade or two.

Fidel wrote:

Perhaps Alien is from the future and may not want us to know it.

Actually, in one way, I am from your past! Every time you look at Alfa Centauri, you see it as it was 4 years ago and that is where we live!

George Victor wrote:

KenS wrote:

I've already been there.

Ignorance is bliss.

And that is the "missing link" not found in the list of Homo sapiens' shortcomings:

I also forgot to include 'Intolerance', probably because it is closely related to some of the others in the list.

Wed, 2010-07-21 10:06

#46

George Victor

Right. And when a cure for Earth's condition is not forthcoming, its description becomes pure cynical entertainment of a cerebral kind. Gotcha.

Wed, 2010-07-21 10:13

#47

alien

George Victor wrote:

Right. And when a cure for Earth's condition is not forthcoming, its description becomes pure cynical entertainment of a cerebral kind. Gotcha.

I assume you are referring to Gwynne Dyer's book "Climate Wars".

Dear George Victor, you confuse cynicism again, this time with a desire to help people think things through. You can do it by writing a book or by just talking to people. Every bit helps.

Wed, 2010-07-21 10:27

#48

George Victor

Yes. Earthlings must lighten up.

Wed, 2010-07-21 10:41

#49

alien

Croghan27 wrote:

At one of my favourite bar there was a fellow that sat in the back, until the patrons plied him with enough of the fruit of the beer berry, then he would break out into some Robert Service. I am sure alien would acknowledge that: "there are strange things done ...."

Yes, Croghan27, I do acknowledge:

"There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated Sam McGee."

Wed, 2010-07-21 13:21

#50

Spectrum

Alien wrote:
Biology has to obey the laws of Physics, naturally, but it has laws of its own above and beyond the laws of Physics.

This question may beyond the current subtle issues of how we couch our language, as to the idea of these human emotions and how well the intellect comes into play once we understand this possibility. It is a current struggle between what I have come to believe and what those in biology believe. Yet to say it is beyond the laws of physics implies to me that there is a "poised realm" above the materiality with which we are closely linked in this mind/body relationship.

Acceptance of the alien artifact of historical progression is the seed for the new ideas of tomorrow and how we think and associate with the environ we live in. How we interact with the species on this planet and afar.

You understand?

Wed, 2010-07-21 14:05

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alien

Spectrum wrote:

Acceptance of the alien artifact of historical progression is the seed for the new ideas of tomorrow and how we think and associate with the environ we live in. How we interact with the species on this planet and afar.

It is important to accept facts of both Physics and Biology, as well as our personal experience with our environment, in order to develop a sustainable relationship with both our own and potentially alien planets.

Alien from outer space

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