What Is Day trying to Say

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What Is Day trying to Say

Day, the Federal Minister says the billions in the budget for prisons is necessary despite the stats noting a decrease in crime.  Day says it is because people aren't reporting crimes happening to them and the stats are not a true reflection of the crime rate.  Interestingly enough this is supposed to explain the 9.5 billion in the budget for locking Canadians up. 

Does it mean Canadians are going to be so thrilled with all the new prisons that they are going to be hitting the 911 button every opportunity a victim gets?   I think I know what Day really meant when he said the stats weren't a reliable source of information because crime wasn't being reported.  This is what I believe Day was really trying to say that individual provinces have their own unique way of dealing with crime as often officers take care of the situation themselves with out any sweat as avoid those long reports that have to be made, another deterrent in itself.  Its not crime that has gone down but officers or better yet lets call them the gate keepers who keep those stats nice and low cause it looks good on paper and reflects real nice on the pay-cheque to I'm sure.  I wonder if thats what Day was trying to say?

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N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Stats Can numbers on unemployment are a pile of shit. But that's not what that dinosaur, S. Day, is talking about. It's just his right wing ideology talking. If the facts don't fit then change the facts.

I think there was an American politician who recently said that the mass media should be giving her (and other right wing extremists in the Rethugnican Party) easy questions that she already knows the answers to, etc.  just as FoxNews does, etc, etc. Respect for the truth is an alien concept to an ideological zealot.


I think what stockwell was saying was that it doesn't matter if actual crime is decreasing right now, give the conservatives a few more years to tinker with the laws, the economy, social policy etc and there will be plenty of people he will have some reason or another to put in jail.

just look at the new mandatory minimums.  Pretty soon we'll have thousands of people who are now "criminals" that need serious jail time, like the horrible experience in the US with minimums has taught us.  Also, there will be more violent crime as a result, so we'll have to lock them up too.

In other words "we're going to wreck the country and we're going to have to do something with all the rabble who is going to cause us problems, we might as well put them in jail!"


The National Post has this to say

Issue: Should the Conservatives be spending an estimated $9 billion on new prisons when figures indicate crime figures have been falling steadily? Stockwell Day says he's concerned about "unreported" crimes, but while that may be a valid issue, are prisons the way to fight it?

Barbara Kay in Montreal: There seems to be a cognitive disassociation between the expenditure of vast sums of money to house virtual criminals, since unreported crime - Mr Day is apparently correct on the fact that there is a great deal of it - will by its nature fail to produce tenants for these spanking new institutions. Prisons are only one facet of crime. How much money is being spent on crime prevention, research on recidivism and technological advances that might reduce the need for incarceration for

Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/08/06/full-comment-forum-justifying-more-jails/#ixzz0vr2fxrHU


2.5 billion is estimated to go to added sentencing but what about the rest who is Harper planning on locking up while taking any chances of any opportunties for Canadians future success.

How many homeless are going to be housed in jails as prositution and gambling become big tiime crime as the threat of a women down on her luck is enough for the Tories to come with lots of bucks?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Of course, even if there were statistics to back up the outrageous claims that Canadians are suffering from unfettered unreported crime, what good would the prisons do? You don't get convicted for crimes that don't get reported.

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

Catchfire wrote:

[...] You don't get convicted for crimes that don't get reported.

Life imitates art.


Someone must have been telling lies about Joseph K., for without having done anything wrong he was arrested one fine morning.


The new prisons are for protesters. Let me guess: they're being built by no-bid contractors who just happen to contribute to Conservative election campaigns.


My name is not Doris.


N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

It's a good Day to die.

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

This government has just expended a significant amount of political capital citing non-existent complaints and non-existent census detainees to kill the mandatory long form census. So does anyone really believe any amount of logic, fact, or data will convince a government developing $10 billion worth of corrections policy on unreported crime that they have passed beyond stupidity to drooling, slack jawed, nose picking, knuckle-dragging imbecility? That Canadians do not hold their heads in shame that we are represented internationally by these intellectually stunted oafs is beyond me. We ought to be embarrassed by them and we ought to be determined to do better. 


As I take stock of this government, I increasingly realize the urgency with which they must go.

When I first heard of this, I thought it was the usual nonsensical conservative doublespeak.  Then my husband pointed out there actually are StatsCan data on unreported crimes - collected by way of the long-form census.

Green Bone

From personal experience, I can say there's truth to the assertion that people aren't reporting as many crimes. Sure, a liberal-permissive judiciary and lax laws are part of this, but the cops are a big part of the problem. I've given up dealing with the police, because they're so apathetic about non-buisiness crimes.

Let me give you an example. I was in a local grocery store, when I had a messenger bag (containing a camera with a few hundred photos, including some of a friend who recently died) stolen from my cart. From where the theft occured and infromation from some store employees, the conclusion was that a store employee stole it. When I contacted the police, the girl at the phone more-or-less said "don't waste my time." Whether or not this was due to a pissing war between the union representing the phone dispatchers and the police (over, among other things, the bungled response to the stabbing of a cop), I don't know. The online reporting went just as pointlessly. The manager, perhaps aware that an employee stole the bag, refused to let me see the footage without the cops being there...who, of course, didn't come. Yet I've seen police arrive within five minutes of someone attempting to shoplift merchandise in the single digits of value.

My mother and an uncle were both victims of smash and grabs. In my mother's case, the partonizing cop made some sorry excuse to not come and look, along the lines of "sometimes windows just break by themselves" (do shopping bags also walk away, too?). In my uncle's case, the cop actually chewed him out for parking his car in a "dangerous" area. A neighbor also had his car burglarized, reported this to the cops, who did nothing, even though he had security footage from his house, of the act ("too low-res.," said the cops...even though it's the same sort of equipment stores use, which is considered good evidence of shoplifting and burglary); the next week, the perp, who was pissed about being ratted on, slashed the guy's tires. There's a crack/smack/bawdy-house a block from my house, which everyone knows about, but is too scared to report, even though the neighborhood has to deal with people pissing in our yards and finding syringes and used condoms in the corner park. After a while, you realize reporting crimes is often worse than pointless.

And serious, violent criminals should be locked up indefinitely. No halfway houses for rapists, like they're trying to force down everyone's throats. A neighbor had a basement suite, with a woman living in it who was raped and robbed at knifepoint by a rapist from a halfway house a few blocks away. These social agencies that scream "NIMBY!" are big, well-connected entities with well-paid directors, who live off of public funding and human misery. Public safety should come before giving a "second chance" to people who rape, rob and murder.

There really are a lot of unreported crimes, too few dangerous people locked up, and many people to blame for this. While the cops whine about lax laws and judges, they should also accept responsability for getting us into this mess. And if they lock up all of the purse-snatchers, rapists, murderers, burglars, and bawdy and drug house owners, then throw away the keys, I'm all for it.







An RCMP team targeting illegal gambling in British Columbia wrote a report more than a year ago warning that organized crime figures were likely involved in those activities. Three months later, the investigative unit that was funded by the provincial government was shut down.